‘Never Trumpers’ unite to back Trump’s battle for Kavanaugh

[Emjay]

For this "Never Trumper" it's not about Trump.  It's about a decent guy being railroaded by lying chippies hired by Democrats and the deep pockets behind them.    I didn't like this crap when it was pulled on Roy Moore, Herman Cain and others and I don't like it now.

You are exactly right, @Applewood   and I agree with your sentiments about all of those gentlemen.

[corbe]

No @corbe .  But there is a 20 step program.  First step, you must admit you've been wrong.

   NOT GONNA HAPPEN, I am leaning away from the ever contentious 'NY Liberal' label to more of a 'Rockefeller Republican', that's my first step, and I am still struggling here.

[aligncare]

Probably myself as well.  It was a moment of clarity.  The damage Trump inflicted on the movement has already been done.  What the left did to Kavanaugh they would do to any of us.  They HATE us, and they cannot be trusted with power.

Damage? For Pete’s sake! Trump has done more for conservatives in just two short years  than republican politicians have done for conservatives in the last 25-years!

Damage? Give me a friggin’ brake! NeverTrumpers are un-friggin’ believable!

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The thing is, if you're a Republican and you don't like Trump, he'll be gone in 2 years -- 6 tops.  But what the Democrats and leftists have becoming/are becoming isn't going away.  If they get power again, they may never give it up.  Supreme Court packing, "voting reform"... you name it.  All are realistic possibilities that I wouldn't have thought they'd dare try even a few years ago.

The country can recover from Trump.  It may never recover from the left gaining power because the elections and judiciary will be permanently rigged. 

[XenaLee]

The thing is, if you're a Republican and you don't like Trump, he'll be gone in 2 years -- 6 tops.  But what the Democrats and leftists have becoming/are becoming isn't going away.  If they get power again, they may never give it up.  Supreme Court packing, "voting reform"... you name it.  All are realistic possibilities that I wouldn't have thought they'd dare try even a few years ago.

The country can recover from Trump.  It may never recover from the left gaining power because the elections and judiciary will be permanently rigged.

Gee, I don't know, Maj. Bill.   If the economy gets any better, it may cause a lot (more) of heads to explode and the cleanup cost alone might bankrupt us!   

[Jazzhead]

Kavanaugh's crucifixion has radicalized many of us.   

Unite the clans!  UNITE US!   

[TomSea]

Hating Trump's blind followers also gives me purpose.

I heard it again this morning, Trump's a street fighter. That in part is why we support him. He is fighting for America.

Yes, I don't necessarily go along with him saying "This SOB" or making kneeling during the National anthem an issue and things like that. I am kind of indifferent though, what he is doing seems to be working.

[Emjay]

The thing is, if you're a Republican and you don't like Trump, he'll be gone in 2 years -- 6 tops.  But what the Democrats and leftists have becoming/are becoming isn't going away.  If they get power again, they may never give it up.  Supreme Court packing, "voting reform"... you name it.  All are realistic possibilities that I wouldn't have thought they'd dare try even a few years ago.

The country can recover from Trump.  It may never recover from the left gaining power because the elections and judiciary will be permanently rigged.

Well put @Maj. Bill Martin   It's time for the rabid NTers among us to gain some perspective regarding Trump, our Country's future, and the revelation of what the Democrat party has become in the last few years, especially the last two.

The reason the democrats are so frantic, so desperate, so willing to sell whatever souls they have to block Kavanaugh's nomination is revealing of how dependent the dems are on having a liberal court.

The country as a whole does not like any of their programs.  They cannot get them passed and they rely on the court system to do their will.

This is an absolutely upside down view of how the country should be governed and gives a power to the judiciary it was never meant to have.

[Sanguine]

@truth_seeker

You know that Shapiro stopped being NT a long time ago, right?

And, Levin voted for Trump, and Beck has praised him on a number of occasions.

[Emjay]

   NOT GONNA HAPPEN, I am leaning away from the ever contentious 'NY Liberal' label to more of a 'Rockefeller Republican', that's my first step, and I am still struggling here.

Why @corbe ??  Struggling.  Sorry, baby, but what exactly is your problem?

Has Trump done something to mortally offend you in any of his actions?  Take what we are dealing with now, the Supreme Court.  Trump kept his promise to nominate excellent judges.

The economy is improving and Trump is even making some valuable inroads into the world financial community.

Tell me what you want, corbe, and I will ask Trump to do it.

[dfwgator]

   NOT GONNA HAPPEN, I am leaning away from the ever contentious 'NY Liberal' label to more of a 'Rockefeller Republican', that's my first step, and I am still struggling here.

Well "NY Liberals" back in Trump's time, have no comparison to today's "NY Liberals",  which are now completely Socialist.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Jazzhead

Kavanaugh's crucifixion has radicalized many of us.   

Unite the clans!  UNITE US!

I couldn't stand Trump during the primaries.   His more rabid fans and their claim that he was the only guy for the job struck me as nutty.  I thought he was boorish, obnoxious, not very smart, and clearly not a conservative.  I thought he was the one guy who might blow an eminently winnable election.  After he won the nomination, I initially decided I wouldn't vote for him, but @Mesaclone eventually talked me off the ledge.

I decided that while I was right to oppose him for as long as I did, it made sense to jump on the bandwagon when he was the only thing standing between Hillary and the White House.

Then there are those who held on to "NT" for longer.  They maintained that he was still an offensive boor who didn't deserve our support even after the election.  But it appears that the Kavanaugh affair has caused many of them to now reconsider.

So the question is...which of those groups was right?  Those who "saw" early on that we'd need a streetfighter to go against the Democrats, those like me who joined up only for the general election after the other alternatives were all knocked out, or those who waited until now, until the full perfidy of the left was exposed by the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh?  I mean, everyone wants to believe that they were the one who was right, and I'm no different.

The correct answer is...it doesn't matter who was right.  All that matters now is that the left has pretty much forced all of us (or at least, the vast majority of us) to be on the same side of this fight.

Unite the clans!

[truth_seeker]

Kavanaugh's crucifixion has radicalized many of us.   

Unite the clans!  UNITE US!

Had Amy Barret been the nominee, we would have witnessed the Left, crucify her for her honest, deeply held Catholic religious convictions.


I hope to see that next. Because these leftists are truly evil. They are NOT Nordic Socialists. They are Soviet/Chinese Marxists.

They are toying, with violent overthrow. 

[dfwgator]

I've said it many times before,   I hope we don't always have Presidents like Trump.


But at this point in time,   he is exactly what we need.   He is the curveball that people can't figure out how to hit.

[Silver Pines]

Okay, I see the way this is going, lol.

We had an occasion of unity, so some of y'all are going to pull out the Trump gospel and make us born again. 

[Emjay]

@Jazzhead

I couldn't stand Trump during the primaries.   His more rabid fans and their claim that he was the only guy for the job struck me as nutty.  I thought he was boorish, obnoxious, not very smart, and clearly not a conservative.  I thought he was the one guy who might blow an eminently winnable election.  After he won the nomination, I initially decided I wouldn't vote for him, but @Mesaclone eventually talked me off the ledge.

I decided that while I was right to oppose him for as long as I did, it made sense to jump on the bandwagon when he was the only thing standing between Hillary and the White House.

Then there are those who held on to "NT" for longer.  They maintained that he was still an offensive boor who didn't deserve our support even after the election.  But it appears that the Kavanaugh affair has caused many of them to now reconsider.

So the question is...which of those groups was right?  Those who "saw" early on that we'd need a streetfighter to go against the Democrats, those like me who joined up only for the general election after the other alternatives were all knocked out, or those who waited until now, until the full perfidy of the left was exposed by the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh?  I mean, everyone wants to believe that they were the one who was right, and I'm no different.

The correct answer is...it doesn't matter who was right.  All that matters now is that the left has pretty much forced all of us (or at least, the vast majority of us) to be on the same side of this fight.

Unite the clans!

I know.  I was pretty much in your frame of mind about Trump during the primaries and I still bear real scars from TOS to prove it.

I saw the Light the morning after the election.  It took some people a little or a lot longer and some people will never see it.

But I find it hard to imagine clutching onto a Trump grudge if people realize the alternative.

[corbe]

   @Emjay you and many Trumpers here fail to see the Filter I have. 
   Sure Trump has accomplished some GREAT things, in spite of his self inflicted wounds we constantly see AND the GOP has not been much help as we all knew would happen. 
   MY FILTER (you call it buthurt) is that President Cruz would have gave us all that Trump has delivered and MORE (not spending $1.2T/yr and funding pp).  * Sen. Lee would be going through all this $hit that Kavanaugh is going through right now.
   The Good Lord knows the opposition would have been the same from Republicans and dems alike to a Cruz Administration, BUT

   A: He wouldn't have gotten down in the ditch with them
   B: He has a 'TRUE' Conservative core, not unlike Reagan and Goldwater.

[Silver Pines]

I know.  I was pretty much in your frame of mind about Trump during the primaries and I still bear real scars from TOS to prove it.

I saw the Light the morning after the election.  It took some people a little or a lot longer and some people will never see it.

But I find it hard to imagine clutching onto a Trump grudge if people realize the alternative.

@Emjay

Yeah, the only Light with a capital L that i know of is Jesus Christ. 

To you and a few others, "clutching a grudge" means criticizing Trump at all, and I expect you'll double down on it now. 

Oh, well.  Not changing. 

[Emjay]

   @Emjay you and many Trumpers here fail to see the Filter I have. 
   Sure Trump has accomplished some GREAT things, in spite of his self inflicted wounds we constantly see AND the GOP has not been much help as we all knew would happen. 
   MY FILTER (you call it buthurt) is that President Cruz would have gave us all that Trump has delivered and MORE (not spending $1.2T/yr and funding pp).  * Sen. Lee would be going through all this $hit that Kavanaugh is going through right now.
   The Good Lord knows the opposition would have been the same from Republicans and dems alike to a Cruz Administration, BUT

   A: He wouldn't have gotten down in the ditch with them
   B: He has a 'TRUE' Conservative core, not unlike Reagan and Goldwater.

Hey, @corbe   I am a total Ted Cruz lover.  Always was and always will be.  And I think and hope that he will be President some day.  He's a young guy.

I would say that Trump has a more practical core.  His core is putting America first in trade, in the economy, in fair and impartial justices in the Supreme Court and in protecting America from rampant illegal immigration.

Cruz would have been treated as badly and he would have responded with elegant reason and convincing arguments.

But it would have been pearls to swine.  Our opponents are swine; they prove it constantly.

Trump may be the right guy to handle the current cadre of democrats.  I'm not a huge admirer of his way but I'm gal enough to admit it could be the right way.

[TomSea]

I'm for Kavanaugh but some have said, the GOP establishment likes him. If Graham and McConnell like him a lot, speaking with a conspiracy theorists view, one could say that might affirm that.

[corbe]

    Maybe I can be a little more specific @Emjay Had you Trumpers not said to DC "screw em, give them Trump" (throwing the baby out with the bathwater), IMHO, in early 2016 we would all be on one team here, discussing how well President Cruz is doing in spite of all the opposition towards him (MSM, GOP and dems).

    Isn't it really a tossup who the Gop can hate more, on any given day, Trump or Cruz?

[Emjay]

    Maybe I can be a little more specific @Emjay Had you Trumpers not said to DC "screw em, give them Trump" (throwing the baby out with the bathwater), IMHO, in early 2016 we would all be on one team here, discussing how well President Cruz is doing in spite of all the opposition towards him (MSM, GOP and dems).

    Isn't it really a tossup who the Gop can hate more, on any given day, Trump or Cruz?

@corbe   I will never understand your convoluted reasoning.  Why should people for Donald Trump not root for and vote for Trump? 

And corbe, if you think we would all be on the same team here, you are even more of a dreamer than I thought.

[Frank Cannon]

They're all uniting except for one little faggy Snowflake......

[aligncare]

Hey, @corbe   I am a total Ted Cruz lover.  Always was and always will be.  And I think and hope that he will be President some day.  He's a young guy.

I would say that Trump has a more practical core.  His core is putting America first in trade, in the economy, in fair and impartial justices in the Supreme Court and in protecting America from rampant illegal immigration.

Cruz would have been treated as badly and he would have responded with elegant reason and convincing arguments.

But it would have been pearls to swine.  Our opponents are swine; they prove it constantly.

Trump may be the right guy to handle the current cadre of democrats.  I'm not a huge admirer of his way but I'm gal enough to admit it could be the right way.

He was the right man at the right time. And it was a lucky turn for us.

I think he’ll leave quite a legacy of performance that will have a lasting impact and challenge future presidents to do as well.

And hopefully he will have forced a shift in attitude among the electorate about politics and politicians.

[Right_in_Virginia]

      MY FILTER (you call it buthurt) is that President Cruz would have gave us all that Trump has delivered and MORE

This simply isn't realistic. 

On the economy, Cruz simply lacks the President's business acumen. Cruz would never have ended NAFTA, never mind negotiate a better deal.  He never would have used surgical tariffs and the threat of more as a bulldozer to begin to level "free" trade to "fair" trade --- not only with Mexico and Canada, but with the EU and China (there's just so much hurt they can take). 

The President has opened trade and business deals in the Mideast and Japan---none of this would have happened under Cruz, and no one would have expected it.  The world would not acknowledge and respect Cruz's authority in the world of global economics, or invest in this nation based on it.  Again, no one would have expected it.

On immigration, Cruz would never have been as tough as the President's been.  Travel bans from terrorist countries?  Nope, not with Cruz.  The wall?  It would have been jettisoned January21, 2017.  Just look...it's not on his radar during his reelection campaign.

Foreign policy?  We'd have never heard the words "Rocket Man".  There would have never been a summit between Cruz and Kim Jung-Un.  North Korea and South Korea would not be talking peace and reunification.  Cruz would have followed the advice of the "experts", past and present, at the State Department.

Allies would not be upping their payments for their own defense and participation in NATO.  This took Donald Trump.

Americans wouldn't be rallying around the flag, once again.  This took leadership and courage.  Cruz never would have waded into the kneeling for the flag demonstrations.  He still hasn't.

I am not saying Ted Cruz is without gifts.  He is a fierce supporter of social conservatism.  He embraces limited spending (although not yet ready to announce any cuts to the budget).  I believe his support of our military is sincere and reliable.  I think he would have nominated justices to the Supreme Court of equal stature deeply rooted in the Constitution as has the President.

But there is nothing so unique about Ted Cruz that jettisons him to the top of the heap or draws American voters to his side. Being a constitutionalist is not enough in the political theater to wake people at 5:00 am on a cold November morning to vote for him --- I just don't see a majority of citizens standing in line thinking "this guy gets ME ... he's one of us".  And this is the last difference between Ted Cruz and the President I'll make here.

Full disclaimer:  I do not hate Ted Cruz.  He is a valuable voice and vote in the US Senate.  I hope to God Texas returns him to Washington, DC in November.