Fox & Friends host criticizes Trump for mocking Kavanaugh accuser

[DCPatriot]

Although I liked hearing this I am not sure it was a good idea right before the vote...

It was EXACTLY what is needed in order to cut through the smothering coverage of the left stream media.

[dfwgator]

Bush just sat there and took it.

And we got eight years of Obama as a result.

[Jazzhead]

Bush just sat there and took it.

And we got eight years of Obama as a result.

I have no problem with fighting.  I have a problem with fighting stupid.   

[dfwgator]

I have no problem with fighting.  I have a problem with fighting stupid.   

Seems to have worked so far for Trump.  There's a method to the madness.

[TomSea]

It was EXACTLY what is needed in order to cut through the smothering coverage of the left stream media.

 

Really, fake accusations are of no help to real victims and probably hurt them.

[Concerned]

I have no problem with fighting.  I have a problem with fighting stupid.   

Exactly!  There are really only 100 voters who really matter here -- the ones in the Senate who vote to confirm Kavanaugh.  Of those, it seems as though all but about 3 or 4 have made up their minds.  So the key question in my mind becomes did Trump's childish, mocking comments help sway Collins, Murkowski, Manchin, and Flake his way or not?  Based on their public comments, his mocking probably wasn't helpful in getting them to "Aye", and if Kavanaugh isn't confirmed, I have no doubt many of his supporters will try and paint Trump somehow as a victim.   

[skeeter]

Seems to have worked so far for Trump.  There's a method to the madness.

The left is in the process of destroying a legal system based upon 600 years of english common and statutory law. Even the Romans believed the burden of proof rested with the accuser.

And we're worried about not Trump's assertions, but the tone of his voice. Good grief.

For those who say this isn't a civil trial, bullsh*t. The toxic principles established here will infect the legal system.

[dfwgator]

And furthermore, the best thing about Trump is that he pulls off all the masks and truly shows where people stand.

[Jazzhead]

Exactly!  There are really only 100 voters who really matter here -- the ones in the Senate who vote to confirm Kavanaugh.  Of those, it seems as though all but about 3 or 4 have made up their minds.  So the key question in my mind becomes did Trump's childish, mocking comments help sway Collins, Murkowski, Manchin, and Flake his way or not?  Based on their public comments, his mocking probably wasn't helpful in getting them to "Aye", and if Kavanaugh isn't confirmed, I have no doubt many of his supporters will try and paint Trump somehow as a victim.   

Well said, @Concerned    There is a precise objective here - to get Judge Kavanaugh confirmed.   How can his disciples here say with a straight face that Trump's red meat remarks are helping to persuade Collins, Murky, Manchin  and Flake?   

[skeeter]

Well said, @Concerned    There is a precise objective here - to get Judge Kavanaugh confirmed.   How can his disciples here say with a straight face that Trump's red meat remarks are helping to persuade Collins, Murky, Manchin  and Flake?   

Do you not believe these politicians care about public opinion polls?

[TomSea]

And Murkowski, Heitkamp, Flake, Manchin, Collins, all look like known commodities to me. They all look like they are nos unfortunately so perhaps, if Lindsay Graham is right, Kavanaugh should be renominated.

I'd think what those 5 need is a kick in the pants so to speak, not caving in and trying to be nice and persuasive. No Way!

OH, and perhaps Claire McCaskill (sp?) is borderline too, so really, that adds up to about 6... I guess, they assume she's a no vote but polls show her trailing her opponent in Missouri, Josh Hawley by 2 points.

At the moment, McCaskill looks like a no vote..... new poll.... more elsewhere.

[XenaLee]

Well said, @Concerned    There is a precise objective here - to get Judge Kavanaugh confirmed.   How can his disciples here say with a straight face that Trump's red meat remarks are helping to persuade Collins, Murky, Manchin  and Flake? 

They can't.   Considering that the usual suspect RINOs are just looking for a handy excuse to vote against Kav, giving them one based on a perceived "unfair portrayal" of Ford isn't very bright.  That said, I have to agree with the content of what Trump said....lol.  (weird world/reality these days)

[skeeter]

Well said, @Concerned    There is a precise objective here - to get Judge Kavanaugh confirmed.   How can his disciples here say with a straight face that Trump's red meat remarks are helping to persuade Collins, Murky, Manchin  and Flake?   

BTW blow your 'disciple' dig out your arse.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I have no problem with fighting.  I have a problem with fighting stupid.   

Honestly @Jazzhead when was the last time you fought?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yes, @Right_in_Virginia, the President deserves credit for the course of the last year and a half,  but he is, as I've said time and again, his own worst enemy.   

And I'm going to say it as I've said it time and again, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.  Had the country followed your strategic thinking and focus on manners, there would be a second President Clinton in the WH. 

If it helps you feel better, remember this:  The President is not speaking TO you, he's speaking AROUND you ---  to others.

[Polly Ticks]

And I'm going to say it as I've said it time and again, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.  Had the country followed your strategic thinking and focus on manners, there would be a second President Clinton in the WH. 

If it helps you feel better, remember this:  The President is not speaking TO you, he's speaking AROUND you ---  to others.

I might point out that Senators Collins and Murkowski appear to have quite a bit in common with our friend @Jazzhead .  Perhaps he should be speaking to them rather than around them at this point.  At least until after Kavanaugh is confirmed.

[Hoodat]

Did they also criticize Ford for lying under oath?

[Jazzhead]

BTW blow your 'disciple' dig out your arse.

Would you prefer the word lickspittle? 

[skeeter]

Would you prefer the word lickspittle?

I'd prefer you not make this another us enlightened vs them stupid trump fans thread.

Can you manage that?

[Right_in_Virginia]

I might point out that Senators Collins and Murkowski appear to have quite a bit in common with our friend @Jazzhead .  Perhaps he should be speaking to them rather than around them at this point.  At least until after Kavanaugh is confirmed.

Actually @Polly Ticks twitter is alive with the newest update/rumor:  Collins & Murkowski are sticking together and their vote is "Yea".

[Sanguine]

Actually @Polly Ticks twitter is alive with the newest update/rumor:  Collins & Murkowski are sticking together and their vote is "Yea".

Good.   And, that will increase the chances that Flake will vote the right way too.

[Polly Ticks]

Actually @Polly Ticks twitter is alive with the newest update/rumor:  Collins & Murkowski are sticking together and their vote is "Yea".

Awesome!  That's excellent news - thanks for sharing @Right_in_Virginia
 

[truth_seeker]

Well said, @Concerned    There is a precise objective here - to get Judge Kavanaugh confirmed.   How can his disciples here say with a straight face that Trump's red meat remarks are helping to persuade Collins, Murky, Manchin  and Flake?   

Another way of looking at matters now:

1. One way (Judge K, or another Amy Barret) we get another conservative.

2. Looking to the election,, some feel should the Senate fail to confirm Judge K, it will contribute to a red wave.


That is win, either way. Trump likes to frame issues and tactics thusly.


OTOH we have the Flake method; fail so much you have to drop out, with a reputation for weakness, compromise, losing.

[XenaLee]

Another way of looking at matters now:

1. One way (Judge K, or another Amy Barret) we get another conservative.

2. Looking to the election,, some feel should the Senate fail to confirm Judge K, it will contribute to a red wave.


That is win, either way. Trump likes to frame issues and tactics thusly.


OTOH we have the Flake method; fail so much you have to drop out, with a reputation for weakness, compromise, losing.

How, exactly, is that a win for Kavanaugh and/or his family?

[Jazzhead]

I'd prefer you not make this another us enlightened vs them stupid trump fans thread.

Can you manage that?

I never suggested that Trump fans were stupid.   I suggested Trump himself was stupid for his blindered emphasis on throwing red meat to his base,  when it is more traditional Republicans and independents that need to be persuaded.