In The Throes Of A REAL Coup...

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

"Communism needs democracy like the human body needs oxygen."

Leon Trotsky

We are a Republic!

Dammit, Bigun.... I know exactly what we are.... which is actually a Representative Republic.   

I'm talking about what the commie left wants, ultimately.  And that is NOT a democracy of any kind.  It's full-blown communism.

(sheesh)

[Sanguine]

Excellent analysis of the current situation.

Yes, it is, particularly this: "Everyone here knows that INVAR and I do not like each other. We disagree at a visceral level and at times it can be bitter and harsh. But let me so right now, if people like myself and INVAR cannot find a way to fight together against this Triad that is assaulting the Presidency and all things conservative...the Left will win this fight."

What say you, @INVAR?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

So who besides us 'little people' here at TBR are pointing that fact out?

Any word from McConnell, Ryan and Burr ... Bueller? Anyone?

It's been pointed out in a bunch of columns, etc..  I think that the GOP leadership and the Administration are simply ignoring it, just like those agencies will.

Just noting that silence in the face of such obvious efforts of subterfuge and lawlessness is complicity in my estimation.

I think the logic is "this is a dumb, impotent gesture by a group of morons who know full well that they don't have the authority to do this.  We're not going to give them attention they don't deserve by responding.  We're just proceeding as planned."

You may not think that is the best strategy, but it isn't being complicit giving that they're disregarding the order/request.

[INVAR]

So, at long last, @INVAR has discovered the real enemy.  Although he somehow found it in his heart to throw some unearned blame Trump's way.

That is because often I cannot tell the difference between the Trump fanatics and the rabid Lefties all pining for payback and retribution to be visited upon their "enemies" of which I have been declared to be by both camps.

[Bigun]

Dammit, Bigun.... I know exactly what we are.... which is actually a Representative Republic.   

I'm talking about what the commie left wants, ultimately.  And that is NOT a democracy of any kind.  It's full-blown communism.

(sheesh)

@XenaLee

When is the last time you heard a news reader anywhere in this land refer to this country as a Republic?  They have been doing their best to turn it into a democracy for an entire century!

[kevindavis007]

The head of the group that is conducting the coup:

[Emjay]

@Mesaclone   Well said, and Amen.

[Right_in_Virginia]

First, congratulations on a very well written and focused essay @Mesaclone   It is truly impressive.   

I cringed a little at one quote --- because not only is it incorrect, it's part of the defining blurb on who this President is.  I want you, and all others are welcome too, to recognize that Donald J. Trump understood exactly what was going on in Washington -- and there is nothing accidental about Trump fighting these bastards head on.  It is not happenstance.  It is his plan.

So, I take a little exception to this:

And then along comes Trump. Bullish, boorish...egocentric and narcissistic...likely oblivious to the very real construct of the Liberal Triad. But like a pampered Bull Elephant in a house of delicate Origami...this boor is, perhaps unwittingly in many cases, overturning the foundations of the Triad. And this, they will not tolerate. 

This one speech explains why this "pampered Bull Elephant" ran for the office and should convince you that he did so with both eyes open.  And this is why we elected him. 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

When is the last time you heard a news reader anywhere in this land refer to this country as a Republic?  They have been doing their best to turn it into a democracy for an entire century!

I know.  Their ignorance is stunning.   But then, they could also be doing it deliberately as part of their 'dumbing down of America'.  Can't let the SOS masses catch on to the fact that we're not a mob-rule democracy.  That might be dangerous to their agenda.

[INVAR]

Yes, it is, particularly this: "Everyone here knows that INVAR and I do not like each other. We disagree at a visceral level and at times it can be bitter and harsh. But let me so right now, if people like myself and INVAR cannot find a way to fight together against this Triad that is assaulting the Presidency and all things conservative...the Left will win this fight."

What say you, @INVAR?

Sadly, the Trump fans over the last couple of years have pretty much eradicated any trust that I would have to share a trench of foxhole with them in combat with the Left.  The amount of disdain, contempt and ridicule levied at us and our beliefs/principles/ morality by the rabid Trump fanbase has made us clear adversaries.   Hell, they call us 'the enemy' and Hillary supporters still to this day.   I no longer believe we share the same fundamentals any more as demonstrated on a thread still ongoing here on this board.   Therefore I have no real clue what it is that they would be actually fighting for beyond bloodletting vengeance and their own style of collectivist Statism so long as it's THEIR guy doing it.  My motivating principles are held in contempt by both the Left and the Trump supporters and I would constantly have to be looking over my shoulder to make sure the long knives are not inserted into my back when sleeping in their camp.  So no - I will not jump on the Trump train with them in regards to any action against the Left beyond what we do here on the board.  I simply do not trust them enough to do so.

That said, just because there is no trust between us does not mean I do not recognize what the overt Communists and Statists are doing.  I do see what they are doing.  I just do not trust those that I assumed we were allies with to combat them since the advent of Trump. 

[Emjay]

That is because often I cannot tell the difference between the Trump fanatics and the rabid Lefties all pining for payback and retribution to be visited upon their "enemies" of which I have been declared to be by both camps.

A brief glimpse of The Light @INVAR and you willfully turn away.

You simply will not recognize that for every person who would fall into the 'Trump fanatic' category, there are dozens who simply recognize that we are lucky to have Trump right now.

I've tried to talk to you before but you've always deliberately twisted my words.

I was as much of a Trump hater as you during the primaries.  But I also saw the real danger we were in.  One reason I was a Trump hater was that I didn't believe he could possibly win.

When I woke up with the glorious realization that the evil one (Hillary) had been defeated, it was like I was struck blind on the Road to Damascus.

I was so happy that we'd been saved.

Then and there, I decided to support Trump if he did good things.

And, he has done so many good things.

I won't try to talk you into giving Trump any love but now that you know the face of our real enemy, how about a little support?

[Jazzhead]

Sadly, the Trump fans over the last couple of years have pretty much eradicated any trust that I would have to share a trench of foxhole with them in combat with the Left.  The amount of disdain, contempt and ridicule levied at us and our beliefs/principles/ morality by the rabid Trump fanbase has made us clear adversaries.   Hell, they call us 'the enemy' and Hillary supporters still to this day.   I no longer believe we share the same fundamentals any more as demonstrated on a thread still ongoing here on this board.   Therefore I have no real clue what it is that they would be actually fighting for beyond bloodletting vengeance and their own style of collectivist Statism so long as it's THEIR guy doing it.  My motivating principles are held in contempt by both the Left and the Trump supporters and I would constantly have to be looking over my shoulder to make sure the long knives are not inserted into my back when sleeping in their camp.  So no - I will not jump on the Trump train with them in regards to any action against the Left beyond what we do here on the board.  I simply do not trust them enough to do so.

That said, just because there is no trust between us does not mean I do not recognize what the overt Communists and Statists are doing.  I do see what they are doing.  I just do not trust those that I assumed we were allies with to combat them since the advent of Trump.

So, for you, INVAR,  ego trumps patriotism?   

I agree with Mesaclone - the left now represents an existential threat.   Disunity among the various factions of conservatives harms us all, but more to the point, it harms the nation.   

[XenaLee]

Sadly, the Trump fans over the last couple of years have pretty much eradicated any trust that I would have to share a trench of foxhole with them in combat with the Left.  The amount of disdain, contempt and ridicule levied at us and our beliefs/principles/ morality by the rabid Trump fanbase has made us clear adversaries.   Hell, they call us 'the enemy' and Hillary supporters still to this day.   I no longer believe we share the same fundamentals any more as demonstrated on a thread still ongoing here on this board.   Therefore I have no real clue what it is that they would be actually fighting for beyond bloodletting vengeance and their own style of collectivist Statism so long as it's THEIR guy doing it.  My motivating principles are held in contempt by both the Left and the Trump supporters and I would constantly have to be looking over my shoulder to make sure the long knives are not inserted into my back when sleeping in their camp.  So no - I will not jump on the Trump train with them in regards to any action against the Left beyond what we do here on the board.  I simply do not trust them enough to do so.

That said, just because there is no trust between us does not mean I do not recognize what the overt Communists and Statists are doing.  I do see what they are doing.  I just do not trust those that I assumed we were allies with to combat them since the advent of Trump.

Yeah.... well......  I don't give a tinker's damn about any of that.  What "they" said and/or think means nothing to me.   What matters NOW is what is necessary to at least try to save the nation from the likes of the usual suspect Democrats, and their leftist mentors and funders like Soros.  I will do what I can and know that I at least tried via my vote against the radical left.   Anything less and I couldn't face the reality... or myself in the mirror... later on if/when things fall apart.  JS.......

[Bigun]

I know.  Their ignorance is stunning.   But then, they could also be doing it deliberately as part of their 'dumbing down of America'.  Can't let the SOS masses catch on to the fact that we're not a mob-rule democracy.  That might be dangerous to their agenda.

It's NOT ignorance my dear!  It's agitprop!  Repeat a lie often enough...

[Emjay]

@XenaLee

When is the last time you heard a news reader anywhere in this land refer to this country as a Republic?  They have been doing their best to turn it into a democracy for an entire century!

In the real world, this is simply semantics. Most people think we are a democracy without understanding the difference between a democracy and a Republic.  I don't think it's worth worrying about.

[Sanguine]

Sadly, the Trump fans over the last couple of years have pretty much eradicated any trust that I would have to share a trench of foxhole with them in combat with the Left.  The amount of disdain, contempt and ridicule levied at us and our beliefs/principles/ morality by the rabid Trump fanbase has made us clear adversaries.   Hell, they call us 'the enemy' and Hillary supporters still to this day.   I no longer believe we share the same fundamentals any more as demonstrated on a thread still ongoing here on this board.   Therefore I have no real clue what it is that they would be actually fighting for beyond bloodletting vengeance and their own style of collectivist Statism so long as it's THEIR guy doing it.  My motivating principles are held in contempt by both the Left and the Trump supporters and I would constantly have to be looking over my shoulder to make sure the long knives are not inserted into my back when sleeping in their camp.  So no - I will not jump on the Trump train with them in regards to any action against the Left beyond what we do here on the board.  I simply do not trust them enough to do so.

That said, just because there is no trust between us does not mean I do not recognize what the overt Communists and Statists are doing.  I do see what they are doing.  I just do not trust those that I assumed we were allies with to combat them since the advent of Trump.

That's about what I expected, but find it disappointing all the same.

Seven times seventy.

[Bigun]

In the real world, this is simply semantics. Most people think we are a democracy without understanding the difference between a democracy and a Republic.  I don't think it's worth worrying about.

And I think you are VERY wrong @Emjay   

[Sanguine]

In the real world, this is simply semantics. Most people think we are a democracy without understanding the difference between a democracy and a Republic.  I don't think it's worth worrying about.

Emjay, it absolutely IS worth worrying about and it's not just semantics.  This is a big part of the reason a majority of millennials think that socialism is a preferable form of government. 

[Mesaclone]

Sadly, the Trump fans over the last couple of years have pretty much eradicated any trust that I would have to share a trench of foxhole with them in combat with the Left.  The amount of disdain, contempt and ridicule levied at us and our beliefs/principles/ morality by the rabid Trump fanbase has made us clear adversaries.   Hell, they call us 'the enemy' and Hillary supporters still to this day.   I no longer believe we share the same fundamentals any more as demonstrated on a thread still ongoing here on this board.   Therefore I have no real clue what it is that they would be actually fighting for beyond bloodletting vengeance and their own style of collectivist Statism so long as it's THEIR guy doing it.  My motivating principles are held in contempt by both the Left and the Trump supporters and I would constantly have to be looking over my shoulder to make sure the long knives are not inserted into my back when sleeping in their camp.  So no - I will not jump on the Trump train with them in regards to any action against the Left beyond what we do here on the board.  I simply do not trust them enough to do so.

That said, just because there is no trust between us does not mean I do not recognize what the overt Communists and Statists are doing.  I do see what they are doing.  I just do not trust those that I assumed we were allies with to combat them since the advent of Trump.

You seem to have created a caricature of "Trump" supporters based on some dubious extrapolation from hyperbolic comments made during a bitter election cycle (By the President and by some of his supporters). That is a poor way to analyze ANY group of people...or any individual President...and its led you to some silly condemnations of Trump and Trump supporters.

[Jazzhead]

In the real world, this is simply semantics. Most people think we are a democracy without understanding the difference between a democracy and a Republic.  I don't think it's worth worrying about.

Agreed.  We are a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.   

[Emjay]

That's about what I expected, but find it disappointing all the same.

Seven times seventy.

Me, too.  Very disappointing.  I won't bother with @INVAR again.  I gave it my best shot and he remains willfully clutching his own virtue and ignoring reality.

[Sanguine]

Agreed.  We are a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.

Now I understand why we have some, ummm, differences of opinion.  We are not a democracy, direct or otherwise.  We are a constitutional republic where most representatives are elected democratically.  The Constitution is the law of the land, and the document that makes us a country, NOT what the majority vote to happen.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The sleeper awakes...20 months into this incremental coup and even the NT crowd is, at last, showing some signs of being "woke". I say this not to insult, nor as an I told you so, but as one of many who've been serving in the trenches of what we believe is the 1776 of our current time. We need your help in this fight, regardless of whatever stupid thing the President may have said in the past about not wanting such help, or we will surely lose it.

Liberals are rarely drawn to military service, nor to law enforcement or first responder work...for cultural and philosophical reasons...they presume instead to occupy our schools, our courts (as lawyers AND as judges) bureaucratic offices and media positions. In these fields, they are predominant and broadly pervasive at all levels. From these perches, they propagandize and indoctrinate our children on our dime...through dominance in the media, they do the same to adults across the nation. Their optimal tool is emphasis...they emphasize information that forwards their agenda and minimize that which does not...an often subtle but intensely effective methodology.

By controlling information, the courts, and the bureaucracy...they are positioned to engage in what Invar calls a "soft coup", the overthrow of any elected government or official who counters the Left's narrative or threatens its hegemony over the three pillars on which they rest their power...Education, the Courts, and the Bureaucracy. This triumvirate is crafty, it will tolerate ineffective "go along" opposition...or rather...they elevate it as a means of diluting true opposition to their rule. This is why the Left glorifies the McCain's, Flake's, Bush's and Romney's of the Right...it gives a facade of opposition without threatening the liberal triad.

And then along comes Trump. Bullish, boorish...egocentric and narcissistic...likely oblivious to the very real construct of the Liberal Triad. But like a pampered Bull Elephant in a house of delicate Origami...this boor is, perhaps unwittingly in many cases, overturning the foundations of the Triad. And this, they will not tolerate.

In threatening to steal the upper echelons of the court, Trump has now struck at the true heart of this beast...and by his uncouth candor and yes, his loud mouthed blundering and tweeting...he threatens the medias dominance and control of speech and narrative.  And that will not be allowed.

Worse, if Trump can expose the plot to frame him and spy on him prior to the election, the Triad's most sacred cow...the bureaucracy leg of their power Triad...comes under threat. Correspondingly, the last shred of legitimacy of the Left's media will also be devastated. And, again, this they will not allow.

And so the coup. Not the traditional 3rd world coup nor the righteous indignation of the original American Revolution...no the Left's abhorrence of soldiers, police, honor and base concepts of free speech and markets...precludes a hard coup. But in a modern age, the Triad of power built by the Left is well suited to achieve the this kind of "soft coup"...the removal of a leader they fear and oppose by means other than direct force.

For the Left, at the deep philosophical level, this is not about Trump hate...that is simply a shallow tool they use to manipulate their blithely ignorant street minions like Antifa. In fact, Trump himself is irrelevant to the leaders of the Left. What they are seeking to overthrow is the ability of ANYONE on the right to threaten the 3 pillars of their power...that control over education, media and jurisprudence.

So anyone on the right who is NeverTrump...be that a principled disagreement on policy or a simple loathing of the man's personality...it is time to understand that this coup is not aimed at President Trump. It is aimed at you and I...at all of us that are fighting for a Republic NOT ruled by bureaucrats, educational 1984-ism, and yellow journalism.

Right now, Trump is the ONLY real weapon we have in this fight...there are others who oppose the Triad of course...but ONLY Trump is positioned to genuinely fight and win this struggle. For god's sake and our own, stop fighting him and start fighting the metastatic monstrosity that is controlling this nation's core...a Triad of power that is a cancer destroying our vitality, unity and function.

Everyone here knows that INVAR and I do not like each other. We disagree at a visceral level and at times it can be bitter and harsh. But let me say right now, if people like myself and INVAR cannot find a way to fight together against this Triad that is assaulting the Presidency and all things conservative...the Left will win this fight.

We are all the new Sons of Liberty, and we must emulate their resolve and cooperation to resist.

Superb. 

IF we don't hang together on the core fight that really matters -- the ability to continue to choose our own government rather than have it chosen for us -- we're all going to hang separately.

[INVAR]

I won't try to talk you into giving Trump any love but now that you know the face of our real enemy, how about a little support?

As I said above, given the amount of vitriol directed at the core principles and beliefs that I hold as foundational and necessary for liberty to exist at all, I do not trust you or Trump's fanbase with support, given the amount of crap flung upon it by you and Trump's allies, on this board, elsewhere and in the meat world.

I hear the same contempt and disdain for what my core principles are as I hear from the rabid secular Leftists.

Trust has been killed, so the consequences are that you are going to have to figure out how to 'win' without people like me.

[Bigun]

Now I understand why we have some, ummm, differences of opinion.  We are not a democracy, direct or otherwise.  We are a constitutional republic where most representatives are elected democratically.  The Constitution is the law of the land, and the document that makes us a country, NOT what the majority vote to happen.

   and    again!