GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party

[Elderberry]

Yes, or to be able to enlist in a fashion that does not impede their conscience. Anything else is coercive.
There are other ways to serve.

So people should remain in a Safe Zone? You think people don't need, or have, any intestinal fortitude to stand up to coercion?

[roamer_1]

So people should remain in a Safe Zone? You think people don't need, or have, any intestinal fortitude to stand up to coercion?

@Elderberry
Lest we wander off too far, let me first enumerate that 'chickenshit' is not a foundational principle. And I do understand that many who are chickenshit will lean upon 'conscientious objector' to stay out of the way of it...

But with that said, YES, one who has a principled stand against killing, should not be made to do so. Many people of faith are so ascribed. If they can be made useful in the supply chain then that should be enough. It is a team sport, after all. He's saving American lives if he is making their Humvees run well.

[the_doc]

@Chosen Daughter

@the_doc
OK, sorry, got it...
Take out the ones in prison, and the ones who resigned in disgrace...that leaves then the ones under investigation, and the ones currently under a cloud of scandal, then the ones who said they wanted to eliminate their departments before they started getting a paycheck, so

So Nikki and Linda.

I did not ask who you like among those in the Trump admin at this time, but who you dislike.  So far I've gotten no response, but I am still very curious. 

 

[Elderberry]

@Elderberry
Lest we wander off too far, let me first enumerate that 'chickenshit' is not a foundational principle. And I do understand that many who are chickenshit will lean upon 'conscientious objector' to stay out of the way of it...

But with that said, YES, one who has a principled stand against killing, should not be made to do so. Many people of faith are so ascribed. If they can be made useful in the supply chain then that should be enough. It is a team sport, after all. He's saving American lives if he is making their Humvees run well.

@roamer_1

If one has a principled stand against killing, how is anyone going to force him to kill? Its not going to happen. I had read many years ago that there are around 9 soldiers to support every 1 soldier on the front lines. Therefore there are many jobs for conscientious objectors to fill in the military without personally killing.

My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist. That's a hell of a thing to say, in my mind.

[Hoodat]

My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist.

@roamer_1 never made that claim.

Nevermind.  I now see the nuance of that claim.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

If one has a principled stand against killing, how is anyone going to force him to kill? Its not going to happen. I had read many years ago that there are around 9 soldiers to support every 1 soldier on the front lines. Therefore there are many jobs for conscientious objectors to fill in the military without personally killing.

My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist. That's a hell of a thing to say, in my mind.

@Elderberry
I don't believe I said they should not enlist - But OK, let's go with that... To be more specific, An Amish man would not enlist, because their reading of the Word dispenses with all killing of hoomin beans, to include supporting roles. I respect their conviction, and their way. I do not think lesser of them as Americans or as a people for that conviction, founded in principle as they see it.

[Elderberry]

@Elderberry
I don't believe I said they should not enlist - But OK, let's go with that... To be more specific, An Amish man would not enlist, because their reading of the Word dispenses with all killing of hoomin beans, to include supporting roles. I respect their conviction, and their way. I do not think lesser of them as Americans or as a people for that conviction, founded in principle as they see it.

Did I not understand when You answered Yes to my question?


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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
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Quote from: Elderberry on Today at 05:38:28 PM

    So you believe that conscientious objectors should not enlist in order to serve Our Country?


Yes, or to be able to enlist in a fashion that does not impede their conscience. Anything else is coercive.
There are other ways to serve.

[SZonian]

@roamer_1

If one has a principled stand against killing, how is anyone going to force him to kill? Its not going to happen. I had read many years ago that there are around 9 soldiers to support every 1 soldier on the front lines. Therefore there are many jobs for conscientious objectors to fill in the military without personally killing.

My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist. That's a hell of a thing to say, in my mind.

I don't believe anyone here is telling you such a thing...it's very easy to misinterpret what is typed on the internet vs. what one actually means...case in point...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacksaw_Ridge

[roamer_1]

Did I not understand when You answered Yes to my question?

@Elderberry
No, you understood me right. Just not as expansively as I would have liked. Let me reiterate plainly:

An Amish man, as I said, would not enlist, as a conscientious objector, and I am alright with that.

Folks of other faiths/beliefs might well enlist, but not serve on the front, being useful in the supply chain as conscientious objectors.  I am alright with that too.

It is a matter of conscience.

[Fishrrman]

Social media users quickly responded, arguing that Trump has pushed lifelong Republicans from the party.
“He is accelerating the trend, obviously,” Sasse said to the claim. “But it didn’t start two years ago.

Go ahead, Mr. Sasse, be my guest.
Leave. Please leave.
But... leave your Senate seat vacant, so a real Senator on our side can fill it.

You ain't on our side, and you're simply keeping it warm.

[roamer_1]

Social media users quickly responded, arguing that Trump has pushed lifelong Republicans from the party.
“He is accelerating the trend, obviously,” Sasse said to the claim. “But it didn’t start two years ago.

Go ahead, Mr. Sasse, be my guest.
Leave. Please leave.
But... leave your Senate seat vacant, so a real Senator on our side can fill it.

You ain't on our side, and you're simply keeping it warm.

Alright - But then stop calling 'your side' Conservative.

[Wingnut]

Alright - But then stop calling 'your side' Conservative.

We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...
..It makes its own sauce...

[roamer_1]

We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...
..It makes its own sauce...

... Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...

[Wingnut]

... Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...

I don't know...sounds like you are singing to us about the trials and tribulations of garage-band husbandry.

[roamer_1]

I don't know...sounds like you are singing to us about the trials and tribulations of garage-band husbandry.

Because y'all have left your principles behind for the sake of winning. That's alright, knock yourself out - But don't call it Conservatism, because it ain't.

[Wingnut]

Because y'all have left your principles behind for the sake of winning. That's alright, knock yourself out - But don't call it Conservatism, because it ain't.

Okay them.  We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...

[roamer_1]

Okay them.  We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...

.. Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...

[Chosen Daughter]

.. Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...

The fallacy of voting for lesser of evils.  Trump was a poker hand.  His voting and political history is all over the place.  I don't regret not voting for him.  Especially now seeing what chaos comes from hiring someone who's only knowledge is to run a business by whatever corrupt deals you can make.  Gives you an administration mess.  Its like an HBO White House series.

[Wingnut]

.. Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...

The White Zone is for loading and unloading only
If you gotta load or unload, go to the White Zone

[roamer_1]

The fallacy of voting for lesser of evils.  Trump was a poker hand.  His voting and political history is all over the place.  I don't regret not voting for him.  Especially now seeing what chaos comes from hiring someone who's only knowledge is to run a business by whatever corrupt deals you can make.  Gives you an administration mess.  Its like an HBO White House series.

As predicted.
I won't be voting Republican any time soon.

[Wingnut]

As predicted.
I won't be voting Republican any time soon.

Well just stick to church-oriented social activities then...

[Chosen Daughter]

As predicted.
I won't be voting Republican any time soon.

For me not the lesser of two evils for sure.  If there isn't a good candidate to vote for I won't vote.

[roamer_1]

Well just stick to church-oriented social activities then...

Like courting mega-donors for Right-to-Life causes? Maybe I will again... but only if the money is flowing to the Constitution party. I flatly refuse to work for the party of broken promises anymore... Not another damn dime.

[roamer_1]

For me not the lesser of two evils for sure.  If there isn't a good candidate to vote for I won't vote.

DITTOS.

[Chosen Daughter]

Like courting mega-donors for Right-to-Life causes? Maybe I will again... but only if the money is flowing to the Constitution party. I flatly refuse to work for the party of broken promises anymore... Not another damn dime.

It will be interesting to see what the Constitution Party brings for 2020.