We Must Fight Back

[DCPatriot]

September 1, 2018
We Must Fight Back
By Thomas O'Malley

The Left is out for blood.  In recent years, they have come to see their ideological opponents not as fellow Americans with whom they happen to disagree on certain issues, but as fundamentally bad people who do not deserve a voice and who should be silenced.  If they ever gain power in government again, they will not seek reconciliation with the other side or to bridge the partisan divide.  Instead, revenge will be the order of the day.

It is absurd to think that the same people who consider Donald Trump a fascist and his supporters “deplorable” want anything other than revenge.  Someday, Democrats will regain control of the House, Senate and Presidency; if not in  2020, then in 2024 or later.  And when that day comes, conservatives had better be prepared.  Polls show that Republicans are much less enthusiastic than Democrats about voting in this year’s midterms.  Conservatives must turn out to vote in November.  The stakes are too high for them to stay home.



continued at:    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/09/we_must_fight_back.html

[roamer_1]

MEH.

[INVAR]

Meh indeed.

Just more of the same fear-mongering "This election will decide if you get to live unmolested or be enslaved and killed by the Left" kind of garbage that is getting more and more shrill as time goes on.

I was particularly amused by the following quips in the plea for Republican votes in the midterms:

Republicans shouldn’t focus on issues such as tax cuts or opposing same-sex marriage, universal healthcare and legalized marijuana.  Many swing voters have liberal positions on these issues, and Republicans can’t afford to alienate any of their voters.  All hands on deck are needed for the midterms.

...The key to winning the Rust Belt is protectionism.

...If the Republican party is to have any future, it will be as a pro-workers party.  And to do that, the party’s establishment will have to give up on free trade and “corporations are people.”

...Twitter, Facebook and other Internet platforms should be treated as public utilities (wanting a Fairness Doctrine to be imposed).

More proof that the Republican Party is truly become just yesterday's Liberal Democrats. Like any Apostate church, those who still revere the truth need to kick the Statist dust off their shoes and leave the Republican Party to themselves. 

They can continue to move ever more liberal, and pander for votes from disaffected Bernie supporters.  Which they are already doing as this idiot advocates.

[roamer_1]

Meh indeed.

More proof that the Republican Party is truly become just yesterday's Liberal Democrats. Like any Apostate church, those who still revere the truth need to kick the Statist dust off their shoes and leave the Republican Party to themselves. 

They can continue to move ever more liberal, and pander for votes from disaffected Bernie supporters.  Which they are already doing as this idiot advocates.

@INVAR
YEP. Not a single Conservative principle... Not a one. And these folks are so very uninformed of the Conservative narrative, the American narrative, that they are willingly, joyfully, being transformed into 'the worker's party' - A veritable avatar of socialism.

[Wingnut]

September 1, 2018
We Must Fight Back
By Thomas O'Malley

The Left is out for blood.  In recent years, they have come to see their ideological opponents not as fellow Americans with whom they happen to disagree on certain issues, but as fundamentally bad people who do not deserve a voice and who should be silenced.

continued at:    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/09/we_must_fight_back.html

That is it in a nutshell.  I would add that the left is aided by the NT'rs.  Not much difference in them.

[INVAR]

That is it in a nutshell.  I would add that the left is aided by the NT'rs.  Not much difference in them.

Silly projection.

I find the Republican Party and a whole lot of the Trump fanbase has a lot more in common in advocacy of Leftist positions than Conservatives who do not support Trump do.  Again, from the essay you also linked to:

Republicans shouldn’t focus on issues such as tax cuts or opposing same-sex marriage, universal healthcare and legalized marijuana. 

...The key to winning the Rust Belt is protectionism.

...If the Republican party is to have any future, it will be as a pro-workers party.  And to do that, the party’s establishment will have to give up on free trade and “corporations are people.”

And the re-imposition of a Fairness Doctrine:

...Twitter, Facebook and other Internet platforms should be treated as public utilities.

As Roamer_1 noted, not a single Conservative principle is espoused there.  None.  Simply the bi-annual scare-mongering for votes and advocacy that the Republicans ditch what remains of their lip service to Conservatism to fully embrace the liberal-Left plank to attract Leftist voters.

In actuality the Left is being aided and supported by the Republicans themselves, while they have been busy declaring actual Conservatives who will not budge on principles, the true enemies to be destroyed.

[roamer_1]

That is it in a nutshell.  I would add that the left is aided by the NT'rs.  Not much difference in them.

Exactly wrong - Those who reject Conservative principles are little different from the left - In fact, they ARE the left. It is the principles of Conservatism that define conservatism as different from the left. In eschewing that difference in order to win, the prize is predictable.

[Axeslinger]

That is it in a nutshell.  I would add that the left is aided by the NT'rs.  Not much difference in them.

@INVAR  and @roamer_1  didn’t ping you @The Ghost

I personally would like to hear your rebuttal to their 100% correct postulations.

[Axeslinger]

How about you @DCPatriot ?  You posted this.  Do you subscribe to this faulty theory too?

I’d just like to get you on record.

Republicans shouldn’t focus on issues such as tax cuts or opposing same-sex marriage, universal healthcare and legalized marijuana.  Many swing voters have liberal positions on these issues, and Republicans can’t afford to alienate any of their voters.  All hands on deck are needed for the midterms.

...The key to winning the Rust Belt is protectionism.

...If the Republican party is to have any future, it will be as a pro-workers party.  And to do that, the party’s establishment will have to give up on free trade and “corporations are people.”

...Twitter, Facebook and other Internet platforms should be treated as public utilities (wanting a Fairness Doctrine to be imposed).

Do you support this?

[DCPatriot]

How about you @DCPatriot ?  You posted this.  Do you subscribe to this faulty theory too?

I’d just like to get you on record.

I agreed with every word up until the same paragraph you snipped.

Republicans shouldn’t focus on issues such as tax cuts or opposing same-sex marriage, universal healthcare and legalized marijuana.  Many swing voters have liberal positions on these issues, and Republicans can’t afford to alienate any of their voters.  All hands on deck are needed for the midterms.

to add some context...here's what's more important to keep House, Senate and White House.

from the article:

Instead, Republicans should focus on reducing immigration, supporting gun rights, economic nationalism and building the wall, which are far more popular both with their base and swing voters.  Many voters are not Leftist but vote for Democrats anyway because Republicans don’t have anything to offer them, while Democrats at least give them a social safety net.  The sad fact of the matter is, a welfare state once instituted is almost impossible to destroy.  Since Franklin D.  Roosevelt transformed this country into a welfare state, the Democratic Party has been dominant.

...The key to winning the Rust Belt is protectionism.

...If the Republican party is to have any future, it will be as a pro-workers party.  And to do that, the party’s establishment will have to give up on free trade and “corporations are people.”

...Twitter, Facebook and other Internet platforms should be treated as public utilities (wanting a Fairness Doctrine to be imposed).[/b]

Do you support this?

I don't like search engines that massage their algorithms to suppress one point of view or ideology. 

Maybe it's the Right that needs Public Broadcasting Radio (NPR) support today?   /s

[INVAR]

A welfare state cannot maintain or permit liberty to exist for long, because the State will eventually run out of other people's money and will be empowered to impose plunder and arbitrary rules to benefit the state and subdue liberty and private property and wealth, simply to keep itself in power and to keep order.

The author of the essay has surrendered to the permanency of a welfare state.

That is not Conservatism, that is nothing but populism to obtain political power - which is what the Republicans and Trump supporters apparently now stand for.

[DB]

Repeatedly voting for the lesser evil ends up with a choice between communists/socialists verses fascists/populists...

If you vote for neither, each side says you're helping the other... Supporting neither is not binary.

A logical fallacy they can't seem to recognize because of their hate for the other...

They just can't understand I refuse to stand with either.

[INVAR]

Repeatedly voting for the lesser evil ends up with a choice between communists/socialists verses fascists/populists...

If you vote for neither, each side says you're helping the other... Supporting neither is not binary.

A logical fallacy they can't seem to recognize because of their hate for the other...

They just can't understand I refuse to stand with either.

And they tell me repeatedly 'pick a side or get run over and squished'

It's the choice that says 'pick how you die - by their hand or ours'.

I choose neither, and will go my own way and lay waste to anyone attempting to impose themselves upon me and mine.

[roamer_1]

I choose neither, and will go my own way and lay waste to anyone attempting to impose themselves upon me and mine.

That's right. What is it, I wonder, that is supposed to attract a conservative to their cause?
I will just take my  individualist self out into the sticks and wait for the catfight to end. Maybe they will cancel each other out and what's left can have liberty.

[INVAR]

That's right. What is it, I wonder, that is supposed to attract a conservative to their cause?
I will just take my  individualist self out into the sticks and wait for the catfight to end. Maybe they will cancel each other out and what's left can have liberty.

I certainly do not trust them enough to share a foxhole with. They can go twist out there with Comrade Commie Libs.  Chances are they will find they have a lot more in common together than either of them have with us.

[Axeslinger]

I certainly do not trust them enough to share a foxhole with. They can go twist out there with Comrade Commie Libs.  Chances are they will find they have a lot more in common together than either of them have with us.

I will tell you @INVAR @roamer_1   Y’all are welcome in mine anytime.

[roamer_1]

I will tell you @INVAR @roamer_1   Y’all are welcome in mine anytime.

Dittos all the way around @Axeslinger ... But that will only happen if all y'all come up here. Here, all I need is to be 10 ft past the borrow pit and I'm dug in like a tick. That ain't an advantage I am willing to forego. 

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

And they tell me repeatedly 'pick a side or get run over and squished'

It's the choice that says 'pick how you die - by their hand or ours'.

I choose neither, and will go my own way and lay waste to anyone attempting to impose themselves upon me and mine.

You're safe enough from me on that account.

I don't believe in beating a mule with a 2X4 to get its attention.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

That is it in a nutshell.  I would add that the left is aided by the NT'rs.  Not much difference in them.

I think that's unfair. 

There are NT'er's who abhor Trump because he's not sufficiently conservative.  So, they basically sit on the sidelines.  While I think they are wrong strategically, they aren't siding with the leftists.  And they are generally people with whom we can still make common cause on some issues.

But then there are the Yeb/Kasich/Flake/McCain Republicans, who affirmatively cosy up to the Obamas and Clintons - or advocate that others make common cause with Democrats to defeat Trump - because they're all part of the same club.  To them, surface civility (even though it really runs only one way) and proper decorum are more important than principles and policies.

And yeah, those people really are just as bad as the leftists.  Same type of elitists who sided with England during the Revolution because the rebels lacked the urbane sophistication of the Crown.

[Absalom]

How about you @DCPatriot ?  You posted this.  Do you subscribe to this faulty theory too?

I’d just like to get you on record.

Republicans shouldn’t focus on issues such as tax cuts or opposing same-sex marriage, universal healthcare and legalized marijuana.  Many swing voters have liberal positions on these issues, and Republicans can’t afford to alienate any of their voters.  All hands on deck are needed for the midterms.

...The key to winning the Rust Belt is protectionism.

...If the Republican party is to have any future, it will be as a pro-workers party.  And to do that, the party’s establishment will have to give up on free trade and “corporations are people.”

...Twitter, Facebook and other Internet platforms should be treated as public utilities (wanting a Fairness Doctrine to be imposed).

Do you support this?

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The GOP was never, ever a principled conservative party; NOT for a day since 1856.
It was/is the Party of Protectionism, enacting every Duty, Excise and Tariff during its
ascendancy from Lincoln to Hoover.
Additionally it was the Party of centralized government never, ever States Rights.
But the impressionable and naive get an e-mail from some R Consultant fraud/hustler
touting Family Values and they swoon that their faith in the integrity of the GOP has
been restored. Why of course!
These ignorant schmucks still insist that a colossal buffoon like Bush was a great POTUS.
The GOP has been dead for generations and its burial is very long past due!!!

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I do think the article leading off this thread is asinine.  The author advocates that we give up on the idea of lower taxes (which Trump actually accomplished), and give in on all the social safety net crap, just to win elections so we can win on immigration.

But what's the point of winning on immigration if we're going to advocate socialistic policies regardless?  Might as well import all those leftist immigrants/voters anyway and just get it over with.

[INVAR]

There are NT'er's who abhor Trump because he's not sufficiently conservative.  So, they basically sit on the sidelines.  While I think they are wrong strategically, they aren't siding with the leftists.  And they are generally people with whom we can still make common cause on some issues.

I do not think they are willing, because to them - being allies hinges on whether someone has sufficient fealty and affords accolades to Trump.   The contempt and ridicule they have flung upon the very principles we refuse to abandon for political power's sake has been as vicious if not moreso than we get from avowed Leftists.  Some going so far as to insist that Conservative principles can never win a national election, therefore we need to abandon them and go Populist - even when it's just liberalism in disguise.

I see less and less common ground between us as time is going on, and the trust necessary to go forward together is no longer there.

The damage is done and I do not know what it will take, if ever - to restore that trust.

[montanajoe]

Meh indeed....

But millions of our fellow "Conservatives"  believe this crap election cycle after election cycle while keeping the folks peddling gold, flipping houses, and the colon cleanser of the month in the chips...

I want America back, I sick of a dis-uniter in chief as the president, of half the country only believing news if it is filtered by those they agree with politically, of those who have no concept of even basic manners not to mention "civility", those that beleive the government can fix anything as long as "our side" is the politician of the moment.

I want and quite frankly I demand more from this God inspired Country and system that has run so far off the tracks...everyone votes for their self interest  no matter how much they may deny it..its time to be Americans again...

[INVAR]

But millions of our fellow "Conservatives"  believe this crap election cycle after election cycle while keeping the folks peddling gold, flipping houses, and the colon cleanser of the month in the chips...

I want America back, I sick of a dis-uniter in chief as the president, of half the country only believing news if it is filtered by those they agree with politically, of those who have no concept of even basic manners not to mention "civility", those that beleive the government can fix anything as long as "our side" is the politician of the moment.

I want and quite frankly I demand more from this God inspired Country and system that has run so far off the tracks...everyone votes for their self interest  no matter how much they may deny it..its time to be Americans again...

I get and appreciate the passion, but reality says it is not going to happen.

Not in our lifetimes, and perhaps never again.

You would have to change the culture, restore the foundations we have discarded in terms of religion, patriarchy and family - reteach our true history and heritage and start breeding like rabbits to keep pace with and eventually surpass the third worlders now here among us that have no intentions of becoming Americans, but intend to reconquest us by outbreeding the existing native population.  This would have to happen from the bottom on up - and not top on down by electing clowns to high office who lie and make promises they have no ability or intention on keeping.

I do not think we have time on our side for that.

The idea that was America virtually no longer exists in the hearts of a good chunk of the population and bitter factions are no longer content to coexist with one another - because we no longer share the same fundamental ideas of government and society that our parents and grandparents shared.

None of this even addresses the sword of Damocles in terms of our unsustainable deficit spending/debt and fiat currency.  The consequences of which - when they visit us and our posterity when the broken laws of economics reasserts itself - virtually erase any such notions of restoring what we once were because raw survival will become paramount and people will submit to any kind of dictatorship when the promises of bread and retribution are made.

[Absalom]

I get and appreciate the passion, but reality says it is not going to happen.

Not in our lifetimes, and perhaps never again.

You would have to change the culture, restore the foundations we have discarded in terms of religion, patriarchy and family - reteach our true history and heritage and start breeding like rabbits to keep pace with and eventually surpass the third worlders now here among us that have no intentions of becoming Americans, but intend to reconquest us by outbreeding the existing native population.  This would have to happen from the bottom on up - and not top on down by electing clowns to high office who lie and make promises they have no ability or intention on keeping.

I do not think we have time on our side for that.

The idea that was America virtually no longer exists in the hearts of a good chunk of the population and bitter factions are no longer content to coexist with one another - because we no longer share the same fundamental ideas of government and society that our parents and grandparents shared.

None of this even addresses the sword of Damocles in terms of our unsustainable deficit spending/debt and fiat currency.  The consequences of which - when they visit us and our posterity when the broken laws of economics reasserts itself - virtually erase any such notions of restoring what we once were because raw survival will become paramount and people will submit to any kind of dictatorship when the promises of bread and retribution are made.

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Reflective and on the mark.
Cultures/societies get the governance they deserve and tolerate.
From the Babylonians to the Greeks & Romans to the Spanish
to the British, these national groupings were bound by common
values/virtues, despite their warts; which formed their legacy to
and longevity for, future generations.
Rome survived/thrived for some 12 centuries while we "the greatest"
are a tad past 200 years!
Man is mortal and so is everything he creates but don't tell the elites!