Trump nixes federal pay raise

[Applewood]

DC and surrounding areas like Virginia are a lost cause, anyway for the GOP.

Perhaps, but as I understand this, the freeze applies to all local federal offices too.  Dems could run such ads nationally and find a sympathetic audience of voters all over the US.

[ABX]

Perhaps, but as I understand this, the freeze applies to all local federal offices too.  Dems could run such ads nationally and find a sympathetic audience of voters all over the US.

That won't work for the Dems because this is just continuing a freeze Obama started in 2010. Linked up thread.

[Applewood]

That won't work for the Dems because this is just continuing a freeze Obama started in 2010. Linked up thread.

Obama's freeze won't be mentioned in the ads.  And there are quite a number of voters who will accept what's in the ads without looking up the real story.

[XenaLee]

That won't work for the Dems because this is just continuing a freeze Obama started in 2010. Linked up thread.

And naturally.... the leftist lying media presents it as something "new" that Trump (only) has done... just like the 'separating parents from their kids at the border' BS.

I really think the nation needs to know just how badly they are being lied to.  Somebody needs to tell them.  And if that ever happens, there would be an awful lot (more) pissed off people that vote.  Some how, some way, the truth has to get out to the sheeple.

[guitar4jesus]

What's overlooked here- Obama froze federal employee pay starting in 2010.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/us/politics/30freeze.html

..and the right, rightfully so, threw a fit that he bypassed Congress with his pen and phone.

https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/report/executive-unbound-the-obama-administrations-unilateral-actions

But I guess it is OK now when the only difference is a letter behind the name and a comb-over?

https://www.federalpay.org/gs/raises

[INVAR]

I really think the nation needs to know just how badly they are being lied to.  Somebody needs to tell them.  And if that ever happens, there would be an awful lot (more) pissed off people that vote. 

Nah.  Most people want to be lied to.   We're an Isaiah 30:10 society.  They mostly already know that deep down government is corrupt - but they prefer to hear the lies because the truth is far too ugly and to hear the truth would mean they would have to do something about it - and they don't want to beyond casting vote or putting a sign in their yard.

[Slide Rule]

I'm curious as to what he would say the "national emergency is".

The emergency is most likely the burial of Dear John McCain.

:)

[IsailedawayfromFR]

What's overlooked here- Obama froze federal employee pay starting in 2010.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/us/politics/30freeze.html

..and the right, rightfully so, threw a fit that he bypassed Congress with his pen and phone.

https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/report/executive-unbound-the-obama-administrations-unilateral-actions

But I guess it is OK now when the only difference is a letter behind the name and a comb-over?

Disingenuous.

You conveniently overlook the fact that there was a 3.9% cost of living increase for federal workers in 2010.  That's huge.

[ABX]

Disingenuous.

You conveniently overlook the fact that there was a 3.9% cost of living increase for federal workers in 2010.  That's huge.

The point was that they both went around the Constitution, and we have selective application of outrage over it. Ww were outraged when Obama did it in 2010, but. It now. The 2010 raise was in the 2009 budget, the 2010 freeze went from 2011-2012 (you budget the next year's increase). So the 2009 budgeted increase has nothing to do with the point I was making- bypassing the Constitution.

[GrouchoTex]

I am not against the move to freeze wages, even lay-offs in the government, but the question was asked earlier, why when the administration is touting a great economy, would he do this now?
It sends somewhat of a mixed signal, bad optics.

One more Thing:
A recent court decision allowed that workers didn't have to be compelled to join or pay union dues, for the sake of their employment.
I move I agree with.
However, a move like a wage freeze may make people who would not do so, organize.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I am not against the move to freeze wages, even lay-offs in the government, but the question was asked earlier, why when the administration is touting a great economy, would he do this now?
It sends somewhat of a mixed signal, bad optics.

One more Thing:
A recent court decision allowed that workers didn't have to be compelled to join or pay union dues, for the sake of their employment.
I move I agree with.
However, a move like a wage freeze may make people who would not do so, organize.

You believe that raising the pay for govt workers is somehow connected to a great economy?

What led you to believe that?

[Mesaclone]

I am not against the move to freeze wages, even lay-offs in the government, but the question was asked earlier, why when the administration is touting a great economy, would he do this now?
It sends somewhat of a mixed signal, bad optics.

One more Thing:
A recent court decision allowed that workers didn't have to be compelled to join or pay union dues, for the sake of their employment.
I move I agree with.
However, a move like a wage freeze may make people who would not do so, organize.

I don't think the signal is mixed...I think the signal is that we want to control spending on the bureaucracy and encourage spending in the private sector. The derivative of that message is that this mentality is part of WHY the economy is "a great economy".

Does the White House need to get out there and sell this message...heck yes. But it seems like the message itself is pretty clear, any obfuscation of the message would be coming from a grotesquely partial media.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Great commentary on this thread.   @AbaraXas @txradioguy @INVAR @Applewood @GrouchoTex

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://twitter.com/CNNJason/status/1035942364601364481

Jason K Morrell @CNNJason

President Trump is golfing today at his golf club in Sterling, Virginia

I'm surprised the government has the money to spend at Trump's golf resort...ya know with the fiscal emergency and all.

[Wingnut]

https://twitter.com/CNNJason/status/1035942364601364481
I'm surprised the government has the money to spend at Trump's golf resort...ya know with the fiscal emergency and all.

18 holes above ground is not near the expense of the Traveling Casket show foisted upon us this past week.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

18 holes above ground is not near the expense of the Traveling Casket show foisted upon us this past week.

@The Ghost
If you have any information on the tax-payers paying for the costs of the funeral I would love to see it.  I can't find anything in my google searches.

[Wingnut]

@The Ghost
If you have any information on the tax-payers paying for the costs of the funeral I would love to see it.  I can't find anything in my google searches.

Who else would be paying for it?  The McCain's.  George Soros.

I mean seriously.   This is the type of shit show we all take up the ass.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Who else would be paying for it?  The McCain's.  George Soros.

I mean seriously.   This is the type of shit show we all take up the ass.

You clearly spent no time even thinking about your response.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Well, it's a good thing federal judges aren't federal employees, or one of them would just over rule him.

[Wingnut]

You clearly spent no time even thinking about your response.

We are even then.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

We are even then.

Well, I'm a dumbass, and I won't learn anything from you except how to form opinions in ignorance, so yes!  Blather on @The Ghost .

[GrouchoTex]

You believe that raising the pay for govt workers is somehow connected to a great economy?

What led you to believe that?

No, I don't. Government is too large.
I'm for it, but say I got the economy is great,yet signing huge spending bills, and then freezing wages does send two different signals.

[GrouchoTex]

I don't think the signal is mixed...I think the signal is that we want to control spending on the bureaucracy and encourage spending in the private sector. The derivative of that message is that this mentality is part of WHY the economy is "a great economy".

Does the White House need to get out there and sell this message...heck yes. But it seems like the message itself is pretty clear, any obfuscation of the message would be coming from a grotesquely partial media.

That is more where my "bad optics" comment was going, what you are saying here.
A better sell job.
Touting a greatest economy of all time, and signing large spending bills, then saying we have no money for increases, comes off as a mixed message to me.
FWIW, I am happy to see government spending cut, and this isn't nearly enough.

[DCPatriot]

Looking at this decision from a distance... how many votes is Pres. Trump losing by canceling any pay increases for federal workers?

...which makes me wonder, as a group, what percentage supports him?

IMO, by doing this, he's politely slapping the Rust Belt and Middle America on the head...case they need to be reminded, who their champion is.  A  brilliant move.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

No, I don't. Government is too large.
I'm for it, but say I got the economy is great,yet signing huge spending bills, and then freezing wages does send two different signals.

Freezing govt wages is not the same as freezing private wages.

Do you think they are?