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Why no one thought to close Italy's crumbling bridge
« on: August 23, 2018, 04:51:16 pm »
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Why no one thought to close Italy's crumbling bridge
Stefano Bernabei, Elisa Anzolin, Valentina Za

ROME/MILAN (Reuters) - People living under the Italian bridge that collapsed last week with the loss of 43 lives had known for years it was crumbling: pieces kept falling on their homes and cars.

A month earlier, residents met officials in charge of maintaining the bridge in Genoa to find out what was being done.

The 1.2km-long suspension bridge, part of a privately run motorway linking the port city with France, had been slowly eroding in the sea air for decades, requiring non-stop maintenance, but life had become intolerable for residents.

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Re: Why no one thought to close Italy's crumbling bridge
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2018, 04:58:18 pm »
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“What are you going to do? Close down all our highway bridges?”

What are you going to do?  Wait until they all collapse on their own?
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Re: Why no one thought to close Italy's crumbling bridge
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2018, 04:59:44 pm »
The article mentions sea air. It might not happen with all metals but I've seen "sea air" corrode some medal very quickly.

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Re: Why no one thought to close Italy's crumbling bridge
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2018, 05:02:58 pm »
The article mentions sea air. It might not happen with all metals but I've seen "sea air" corrode some medal very quickly.

Salt is picked up.  Design and the maintenance needs to be appropriate for the environment where it is located.

We have brine ponds and other equipment handling salt water at maximum concentrations in the plant where I work (Salt dome cavern storage).  It takes extra maintenance.  It takes more design requirements to have the same lifetime compared to other parts of the plant.
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Re: Why no one thought to close Italy's crumbling bridge
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2018, 10:45:19 pm »
A tale of two bridges:

1. Starrucca Viaduct -- built in 1848 by the Erie Railroad, out of stone.

(I've been over this with freight trains back in the Conrail days)

2. Nicholson Viaduct -- built by the Lackawanna in 1915, and for many years the largest concrete bridge in America.


Both are in Northeastern PA.
If you visit each (you can do both in the same day), and stand underneath them, something is quite apparent:
Starrucca Viaduct, almost 70 years older, is actually in much better shape.

Stand under Nicholson, and look upwards, and you'll notice lots of places where the original concrete is crumbling, pieces broken away.
Look at this photo from the top:


My own conclusion:
Concrete works good for some things, but it's not the stuff from which big bridges should be built.
For that, use steel... or stone.

Even worse, build a concrete bridge from a deliberately odd design (which appears overly "light" like the bridge in Italy), and its long-term prospects... well, they ain't so good.

What -is- concrete, anyway, if not "molded-together aggregate"?
What was that saying about building upon sand, vs. solid rock?

Or, like Paul Simon once wrote, "everything put together sooner or later falls apart".
But with concrete, it falls apart faster....