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NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« on: August 25, 2018, 01:36:47 am »
NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
By Tal Axelrod - 08/24/18 08:04 PM EDT

National Rifle Association spokesperson Dana Loesch on Friday accused the FBI of trying to entrap President Trump similarly to how the agency captured the Chicago gangster, Al Capone.

"They’re trying to Al Capone the president. I mean, you remember. Capone didn’t go down for murder," Loesch said on NRATV. "Elliot Ness didn’t put him in for murder. He went in for tax fraud. Prosecutors didn’t care how he went down as long as he went down."

“The moral argument over the president’s infidelities would never result in legal trouble. So they believe they have to take a lesson from the Clinton years and find a way to make it a legal problem. And that’s exactly what they’re using campaign finance for, an already unconstitutional set of laws to pull it off,” she continued, referencing the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton.

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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2018, 01:38:57 am »
IMHO, IF the left succeeds in railroading Trump we as a nation will be governed by mob rule rather than by the Constitution.
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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2018, 02:00:07 am »
Quote from: libertybele on August 25, 2018, 01:38:57 am
IMHO, IF the left succeeds in railroading Trump we as a nation will be governed by mob rule rather than by the Constitution.

I'll second that, but I'm not going to give it an IMHO.

What you've stated is a provable Fact, not an Opinion.
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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2018, 02:11:22 am »
Quote from: libertybele on August 25, 2018, 01:38:57 am
IMHO, IF the left succeeds in railroading Trump we as a nation will be governed by mob rule rather than by the Constitution.

I say good! Let em!
Capone's tax evasion was every bit as illegal as his murders and racketeering.

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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2018, 02:17:54 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 25, 2018, 02:11:22 am
I say good! Let em!
Capone's tax evasion was every bit as illegal as his murders and racketeering.


At the time, there were people who despised Capone but more despised using the tax laws in that fashion. What they feared was what we saw with Lois Lerner.

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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2018, 03:22:00 am »
Quote from: endicom on August 25, 2018, 02:17:54 am

At the time, there were people who despised Capone but more despised using the tax laws in that fashion. What they feared was what we saw with Lois Lerner.

Tump is a big boy, employing banks of lawyers and accountants, no doubt - Any accusation that makes it to and through court is liable to be legit.

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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2018, 03:32:00 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 25, 2018, 03:22:00 am
Tump is a big boy, employing banks of lawyers and accountants, no doubt - Any accusation that makes it to and through court is liable to be legit.

That's uncomfortably close to "If the defendant is indicted, he must be guilty."
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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2018, 03:35:14 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 25, 2018, 03:32:00 am
That's uncomfortably close to "If the defendant is indicted, he must be guilty."

No, @Cyber Liberty , I specifically said, 'to and through court', which must at least imply conviction, by the nature of the phrase.
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2018, 03:49:51 am »
Quote from: endicom on August 25, 2018, 02:17:54 am

At the time, there were people who despised Capone but more despised using the tax laws in that fashion. What they feared was what we saw with Lois Lerner.

And yet Lois Lerner suffered no penalty for doing what she did. All while the GOP controlled congress and had constitutional oversight.

That should tell you something about the GOP.

Lerner was taking out Tea Party conservatives and that was just fine with the GOP and it provided them election fodder at the same time. A win-win for the GOP...

That's the disgusting truth of the matter.
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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2018, 03:53:26 am »
No one has said anything about whether Cohen played any part in Trump's tax preparation.

Cohen has pled guilty to cheating on literally millions of dollars of income. That's not Trump change...
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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2018, 03:56:33 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on August 25, 2018, 01:36:47 am
NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
By Tal Axelrod - 08/24/18 08:04 PM EDT

National Rifle Association spokesperson Dana Loesch on Friday accused the FBI of trying to entrap President Trump similarly to how the agency captured the Chicago gangster, Al Capone.

"They’re trying to Al Capone the president. I mean, you remember. Capone didn’t go down for murder," Loesch said on NRATV. "Elliot Ness didn’t put him in for murder. He went in for tax fraud. Prosecutors didn’t care how he went down as long as he went down."

“The moral argument over the president’s infidelities would never result in legal trouble. So they believe they have to take a lesson from the Clinton years and find a way to make it a legal problem. And that’s exactly what they’re using campaign finance for, an already unconstitutional set of laws to pull it off,” she continued, referencing the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton.

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Dana needs to limit her intake of Super Beets, it's making her hyperbolic.   :rolling:

Scooter Libby went to jail for far less than Trump, Capone, or Lois Lerner ever did.
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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2018, 12:07:17 pm »
Quote from: DB on August 25, 2018, 03:49:51 am
And yet Lois Lerner suffered no penalty for doing what she did. All while the GOP controlled congress and had constitutional oversight.


GAHFAAB (Guilty As Hell, Free As A Bird).

They diligently seek legal infractions in anyone associated with Trump while ignoring others in virtual confession of criminal activity. If they're surely guilty then give them immunity. It's maddening.

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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2018, 12:59:11 pm »
Quote from: endicom on August 25, 2018, 02:17:54 am

At the time, there were people who despised Capone but more despised using the tax laws in that fashion. What they feared was what we saw with Lois Lerner.

@endicom

The progressive income tax is Marxist - straight out of the Communist Manifesto - and thus entirely unfit for a FREE people!

They can nail anyone at any time they choose!

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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2018, 01:01:41 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 25, 2018, 12:59:11 pm
@endicom

The progressive income tax is Marxist - straight out of the Communist Manifesto - and thus entirely unfit for a FREE people!

They can nail anyone at any time they choose!

Is Capone really the best example they can use if they are defending him?   :silly:
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2018, 01:02:50 pm »
Quote from: DB on August 25, 2018, 03:49:51 am
And yet Lois Lerner suffered no penalty for doing what she did. All while the GOP controlled congress and had constitutional oversight.

That should tell you something about the GOP.

Lerner was taking out Tea Party conservatives and that was just fine with the GOP and it provided them election fodder at the same time. A win-win for the GOP...

That's the disgusting truth of the matter.

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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2018, 01:04:12 pm »
Quote from: endicom on August 25, 2018, 12:07:17 pm

GAHFAAB (Guilty As Hell, Free As A Bird).

They diligently seek legal infractions in anyone associated with Trump while ignoring others in virtual confession of criminal activity. If they're surely guilty then give them immunity. It's maddening.

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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2018, 04:17:00 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 25, 2018, 03:35:14 am
No, @Cyber Liberty , I specifically said, 'to and through court', which must at least imply conviction, by the nature of the phrase.

I see that now...thanks for the clarification.  Agreed.
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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2018, 04:35:33 pm »
Quote from: Night Hides Not on August 25, 2018, 03:56:33 am
Dana needs to limit her intake of Super Beets, it's making her hyperbolic.   :rolling:

Scooter Libby went to jail for far less than Trump, Capone, or Lois Lerner ever did.

Perfect example,  Scooter Libby went to jail for being a senior aide to Dick Chaney. That was his one
and only crime. 
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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2018, 04:37:07 pm »
Quote from: Night Hides Not on August 25, 2018, 03:56:33 am

Scooter Libby went to jail for far less than Trump, Capone, or Lois Lerner ever did.

Do tell. What crimes has Trump committed?
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2018, 04:41:42 pm »
Quote from: endicom on August 25, 2018, 12:07:17 pm

GAHFAAB (Guilty As Hell, Free As A Bird).

They diligently seek legal infractions in anyone associated with Trump while ignoring others in virtual confession of criminal activity. If they're surely guilty then give them immunity. It's maddening.

It's not madding. This is how politics is played in third world shit hole countries. You politicize
law enforcement to criminalize your political opponents. Welcome to the banana republic of the
USSA. But hey as long a Trump and everyone around Trump is the target it's OK right?
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Re: NRA: Dems are 'trying to Al Capone' Trump
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2018, 04:42:34 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on August 25, 2018, 04:37:07 pm
Do tell. What crimes has Trump committed?

Beating Hillary in a fair election.  That seems to really chap their hides.
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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2018, 04:46:10 pm »
“The moral argument over the president’s infidelities would never result in legal trouble. So they believe they have to take a lesson from the Clinton years and find a way to make it a legal problem. And that’s exactly what they’re using campaign finance for, an already unconstitutional set of laws to pull it off,” she continued, referencing the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton.

This is true.
At the same time, it does admit, for better or worse, that a precedent has been set.
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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2018, 05:13:39 pm »

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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2018, 05:35:05 pm »
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Ah, yes the Chicago way.
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