Ann Coulter on Trump: 'I've never seen such a bad dealmaker'

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter   Your knowledge of world economy is about as good as mine is, in other words, zilch, zero, nada.

And why is it a sin with some people here to point out the alternative ... the dark side.

The dark side is Very dark and getting darker.  The enemy of my enemy is still my friend.

Which side is the dark side again?

[Chosen Daughter]

Shooild the House to Democrat this November, I have a hunch were probably going to see a somewhat leftward tilt of this administration

If he can’t  veto spending bills from a Republican Congress,  my guess is he’ll sign on to every single Democrat bill that comes before his desk

I said about the same the other day.  He will go left.

[DB]

Shooild the House to Democrat this November, I have a hunch were probably going to see a somewhat leftward tilt of this administration

If he can’t  veto spending bills from a Republican Congress,  my guess is he’ll sign on to every single Democrat bill that comes before his desk

How will we be able to tell the difference? The Democrats got everything they wanted with the last "budget deal" he signed.

[Chosen Daughter]

How will we be able to tell the difference? The Democrats got everything they wanted with the last "budget deal" he signed.

Right?  No difference. 

[INVAR]

How will we be able to tell the difference? The Democrats got everything they wanted with the last "budget deal" he signed.

YUP.  He did.  The Republicans and Trump gave them EVERYTHING they demanded and full funding of their entire agenda: "Representative John Yarmuth of Kentucky, the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, noted that the budget deal “meets nearly every one of our priorities.”

[musiclady]

Coulter lost all of my respect when she pedaled Trump but she is right.  Unfortunately she sold us the bad deal maker.

Didn't she like that chubby NJ Governor before she fell madly in love with the Donald?

She's just like her 'friend' Maher.

A leftist.

But she's clearly trying to sell a book now, so she's got to make some noise.

Otherwise no one pays a lick of attention to her.

[roamer_1]

Didn't she like that chubby NJ Governor before she fell madly in love with the Donald?

Yes, and Romney too.

[edpc]

Yes, and Romney too.

Exactly, because nobody was going to do anything about immigration but Trump and nobody else could debate Obama but Romney. She really knows how to pick ‘em.

[roamer_1]

Exactly, because nobody was going to do anything about immigration but Trump and nobody else could debate Obama but Romney. She really knows how to pick ‘em.

Good rule of thumb: If Ann Coulter likes em, I pretty well don't.

[DB]

Exactly, because nobody was going to do anything about immigration but Trump and nobody else could debate Obama but Romney. She really knows how to pick ‘em.

That isn't true. Here's Cruz on immigration in 2011 long before Trump came along:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0h3Mu8BbjM

A year later Trump was bashing Romney of being "heartless" by threatening to deport illegals.

That's the raw truth.

[Applewood]

That isn't true. Here's Cruz on immigration in 2011 long before Trump came along:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0h3Mu8BbjM

A year later Trump was bashing Romney of being "heartless" by threatening to deport illegals.

That's the raw truth.

Oh, but since then, Tlrump's views have "evolved."   

[Jazzhead]

Trump's problem is that he can't let good news speak for itself - he steps all over his own message. 

[edpc]

That isn't true. Here's Cruz on immigration in 2011 long before Trump came along:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0h3Mu8BbjM

A year later Trump was bashing Romney of being "heartless" by threatening to deport illegals.

That's the raw truth.

Sorry, my tone wasn’t clear.  I was posting the comments from her perspective.  She was the one who held those views about the preceding two Republican nominees.

[Mesaclone]

If Trump loses in 2016, today we have:

1) 5 hard Left Supreme Court Justices and the court turns Stalinist for a generation...perhaps permanently.

2) The rapid erosion of 1st and 2nd amendment rights...and yes, gun confiscation would either be under way, or working its way through the congresscourts as we speak.

3) The addition of 2 SCJ's, 73 Appeals court judges, 99 District court judges...all of them wildly left wing. The courts would be deeply progressive...RADICALLY leftist...for a generation at least.

4) NATO would still be contributing around 1% of GDP per member rather than the increases under way.

5) The Deep State would be growing deeper and more permanent...and yes, it CAN and WILL grow and expand its reach under a Leftist president. Trump has not stopped this, but he has exposed and impeded it...moreso than any other Republican in government.

6) The Border would be wide open...triple the current illegal inflow, millions of Illegals would be new citizens/voters...perhaps 10's of millions, ICE would be abolished or knee-capped into impotency, our police far more deeply under siege for simply enforcing the law, and conservative voices silenced on campuses and the internet...far moreso than is already the case.

7) We'd be leading the Paris accords, not dropping from them...trapped in NAFTA not renegotiating it.

8) The Obama economy would still be slothing along at 1.5-2% at best...jobs and industry fleeing overseas at ever increasing rates. No rebirth of manufacturing and oil/coal production.

9) The Obamacare mandate would still be in place and we would be moving at light speed towards full Socialized medicine in a Bernie style format.

10) The continued ostracization, criminalization and general assault on conservative thought would be virtually unimpeded...the government, the media, and social media constructs all advancing the means of silencing and marginalizing our voices. There are no other Republican/Conservative voices strong enough to impede this...I wish it were otherwise...but that is the reality.

And lets be clear, no other GOP candidate stood even a remote chance of beating Hillary...so Hillary is what we would have without Donald Trump. Contrary to the idiotic proclamations from those who want to proclaim the President's supporters see him as a "demigod"...a childish and intellectually vacuous assertion...we see him as the boy who's holding his finger in the dyke. A task nobody else was capable...and willing...to undertake. Those who undermine the President from the right, are the metaphorical equivalent of the utter fool who would punch the dyke holding boy in the stomach as he strives to hold back the tide of Socialist oppression ready to burst from the dam.

And don't be fooled, we have idiots here who WANT that dam to break...not many, to be fair, but a few...who are delusional enough to think they can lead some sort of dimwitted insurrection to bring what they perceive as traditional conservatism back to DC at the tip of their muskets. Guess what, they...with the rest of us...will be washed away by the rush of Socialist hysteria that will flow from the broken dam of our constitution.

In 2016 we faced a dichotomy...wishful thinking cannot make it otherwise. Today, we face it still. So you can pick a side...or simply sit on the sidelines and watch as some have so clearly chosen to do. The "sidelines" are full of 3rd party advocates, purists, perfectionists and just plain old political narcissists...all of whom achieve nothing behind failing to fight the tide of Leftism flowing from the Dem party and the media. Its a choice, but its the choice of a citizen who watches his fellows dragged away to a re-education camp...the kind of inaction that dooms us all.

And here's the most important point in this diatribe. None of what I've written here means criticism of the president is off limits...on the contrary, we must all perpetually offer critique and even rebuke to the President when warranted...but if you forget who the true enemy is, the genuine source of the assault on our freedoms and against the very nature of our American Republic...than you have lost your way.

[INVAR]

we see him as the boy who's holding his finger in the dyke. A task nobody else was capable...and willing...to undertake.

Well 1.4 Trillion in deficit spending this year signed and appropriated - and trillion-plus deficits each year for the next 4 years in projections says your assertion of Trump as dyke-boy are bullshit.

Just like everything else you people ascribe to him.

[Mesaclone]

Well 1.4 Trillion in deficit spending this year signed and appropriated - and trillion-plus deficits each year for the next 4 years in projections says your assertion of Trump as dyke-boy are bullshit.

Just like everything else you people ascribe to him.

Yep, the boy with his finger in the dyke has a wart on his hand. By all means, slap his hand away and let the dam collapse on us all. Smart. The president cannot fix everything at once without the support of a majority of congress...and there are many even in the GOP who are happy to let the dam collapse on us...so he fixes that which can be fixed.  This means some things are still broken. Perhaps Jesus could fix everything at once, Donald Trump is just a man who is limited by the possible.

[roamer_1]

we see him as the boy who's holding his finger in the dyke.

Well, you got the boy part right...

[INVAR]

Yep, the boy with his finger in the dyke has a wart on his hand. By all means, slap his hand away and let the dam collapse on us all.

Oh, it's a WART you say?????  We were pretty sure it was a hole he opened to let the water out.  You know, a 1.4 Trillion dollar hole he said we needed, but regretted opening the moment he signed it.

Smart. The president cannot fix everything at once without the support of a majority of congress.

Oh Puhleeze!  You people were selling the meme that Trump was this godlike dealmaker and ONLY HE could make deals with Congress that would benefit the American people.  That Trump could not make deals with his own party proves you sold us a fraud because you bought the con yourselves.

Perhaps Jesus could fix everything at once, Donald Trump is just a man who is limited by the possible.

Not what you people kept insisting  over and over and over again.  ONLY TRUMP could fix everything.  ONLY TRUMP could make the deals.  Only TRUMP could do the miracles we needed done.  TRUMP could do it by himself if needed.  Trump did not need our help.

You people bought the con and promoted the lies and bullshit yourselves.

[Mesaclone]

Oh, it's a WART you say?????  We were pretty sure it was a hole he opened to let the water out.  You know, a 1.4 Trillion dollar hole he said we needed, but regretted opening the moment he signed it.
Take the mouse out of your pocket, I'm pretty sure he doesn't agree with you anyway.

Oh Puhleeze!  You people were selling the meme that Trump was this godlike dealmaker and ONLY HE could make deals with Congress that would benefit the American people.  That Trump could not make deals with his own party proves you sold us a fraud because you bought the con yourselves.
No one sold such a "meme", it exists only as the strawmen you hope to prop up. Trump has made many deals, and very successful ones both with congress and foreign powers...this does not mean he, not being able to walk on water, can force Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Jeff Flake and John McCain to vote for conservative legislation. No power on earth can make that happen, nor was such miracle work ever promised outside of your little fantasy world.

Not what you people kept insisting  over and over and over again.  ONLY TRUMP could fix everything. No, the assertion is that ONLY Trump will be able to fix ANYTHING...no one can fix "everything", nor was such a promise ever made implicitly OR explicitly. ONLY TRUMP could make the deals.  This is true, but no one ever asserted he could fix everything nor make deal with everyone.Only TRUMP could do the miracles we needed done. Trump HAS done political miracles that no one else could achieve. TRUMP could do it by himself if needed.  Never asserted...Trump and his supporters have been crystal clear that the help of the party and of his fellow conservatives is ESSENTIAL. What he DID say is that we don't need idiots who'd rather see Hillary in power than himself...in this he is, was and ever will be correct. Trump did not need our help. This is true ONLY if "our" refers to those who prefer Hillary, or who are NT's who'd rather see the nation fail then admit they were wrong about Trump...you know...like yourself. 

You people bought the con and promoted the lies and bullshit yourselves.

As for a "con" with "lies"...Invar, meet mirror.

[Emjay]

If Trump loses in 2016, today we have:

I only logged on to this worn out thread because I saw that you had posted.

You are a reliable and articulate voice of reason and I thank you for it.

You've echoed my own feelings about the choices America faces.  So many here refuse to own up to the realities in the country.

Most of the voters attracted to the democrat party are either socialists, losers wanting to be supported by the government, various practicioners of immoral behavior which is outside the norm or the just plain ignorant or nutty.

The problem is there are way too many of those people, and the dem leadership is getting more and more insane and radical.  We have a Chicago mayor pushing gun control while the population kills each other daily.  And California is just a microcosm of what would face the rest of the country.

I was for Ted Cruz and I didn't particularly like Trump at all during the primaries.  Yes, he can be an obnoxious jerk but looking back I really believe he was the only person who could have kept us from the nightmare of Hillary and a continuation of the policies of Obama.

And yet, it almost seems as if some Republicans, a microcosm of whom we see on this very forum, want Trump gone, impeached, paid back somehow for annoying them.

That group is totally dismissive of any 'better than Hillary' talk.  They hate it. 

Because Trump IS better than Hillary and they won't quite come out and say it but they go on the idiotic meme of 'let things get really bad and then true conservatives will arise miraculously and save us.' 

It is a pipe dream.  There is no wonderful third party that believes exactly as we do.  There is no third party that could get a substantial number of votes.  All a popular third party could possibly do is throw the country to the democrats.

Trump's past dalliances and present tweets may offend some of us but they don't hurt the country.

Losing Trump would.

[Emjay]

My previous past was @Mesaclone

[Jazzhead]

And here's the most important point in this diatribe. None of what I've written here means criticism of the president is off limits...on the contrary, we must all perpetually offer critique and even rebuke to the President when warranted...but if you forget who the true enemy is, the genuine source of the assault on our freedoms and against the very nature of our American Republic...than you have lost your way.

The problem is that Trump himself has forgotten who the true enemy is.   He has presided over a booming economy,  but our prosperity won't help the GOP retain Congress in the face of Trump's egotism,  grandstanding and obsession with enemies.   

If Trump could just lead and inspire without all the sideshow crap,  new GOP majorities could pave the way to the fundamental return of limited government and Constitutionalism.  But Trump will throw it all away, and leave the nation to an increasingly radicalized Democratic party.

For the past year and a half, I've given Trump the benefit of every doubt, and had no hesitancy to boost his successes and lament the unyielding and maniacal opposition he has faced.   But I've come to the conclusion,  less than three months out of the election, that he is leading Republicans and conservatism over a cliff. 

And it's all so completely unnecessary.   It should be the hour of triumph, where we consolidate our victories and move forward into a more hopeful future.   Instead,  the President's obsessions and paranoias  and oxygen-hogging are going to hand things to a socialist and media cabal that will replace our prosperity with a new Venezuela.   

[catfish1957]

The problem is that Trump himself has forgotten who the true enemy is.   He has presided over a booming economy,  but our prosperity won't help the GOP retain Congress in the face of Trump's egotism,  grandstanding and obsession with enemies.   

If Trump could just lead and inspire without all the sideshow crap,  new GOP majorities could pave the way to the fundamental return of limited government and Constitutionalism.  But Trump will throw it all away, and leave the nation to an increasingly radicalized Democratic party.

For the past year and a half, I've given Trump the benefit of every doubt, and had no hesitancy to boost his successes and lament the unyielding and maniacal opposition he has faced.   But I've come to the conclusion,  less than three months out of the election, that he is leading Republicans and conservatism over a cliff. 

And it's all so completely unnecessary.   It should be the hour of triumph, where we consolidate our victories and move forward into a more hopeful future.   Instead,  the President's obsessions and paranoias  and oxygen-hogging are going to hand things to a socialist and media cabal that will replace our prosperity with a new Venezuela.

Well stated.  If  this POTUS had the ability to keep his mouth and twitter fingers quiet, and his narcissism in check, we'd be talking about about a  successful presidency.

[Emjay]

The problem is that Trump himself has forgotten who the true enemy is.   He has presided over a booming economy,  but our prosperity won't help the GOP retain Congress in the face of Trump's egotism,  grandstanding and obsession with enemies.   

If Trump could just lead and inspire without all the sideshow crap,  new GOP majorities could pave the way to the fundamental return of limited government and Constitutionalism.  But Trump will throw it all away, and leave the nation to an increasingly radicalized Democratic party.

For the past year and a half, I've given Trump the benefit of every doubt, and had no hesitancy to boost his successes and lament the unyielding and maniacal opposition he has faced.   But I've come to the conclusion,  less than three months out of the election, that he is leading Republicans and conservatism over a cliff. 

And it's all so completely unnecessary.   It should be the hour of triumph, where we consolidate our victories and move forward into a more hopeful future.   Instead,  the President's obsessions and paranoias  and oxygen-hogging are going to hand things to a socialist and media cabal that will replace our prosperity with a new Venezuela.

@Jazzhead   Typically, you've missed the main points of @Mesaclone post.

You say Trump has presided over a booming economy as if it all just 'happened' while he was golfing or something.  You won't even acknowledge that Trump had a big part in that booming economy.

You continue to dwell on Trump's personality.  You continue to exaggerate his flaws and ignore his accomplishments.  People like you will be responsible if you align with the left and destroy Trump, and don't think you won't pay for it.

[Mesaclone]

The problem is that Trump himself has forgotten who the true enemy is.   He has presided over a booming economy,  but our prosperity won't help the GOP retain Congress in the face of Trump's egotism,  grandstanding and obsession with enemies.   

If Trump could just lead and inspire without all the sideshow crap,  new GOP majorities could pave the way to the fundamental return of limited government and Constitutionalism.  But Trump will throw it all away, and leave the nation to an increasingly radicalized Democratic party.

For the past year and a half, I've given Trump the benefit of every doubt, and had no hesitancy to boost his successes and lament the unyielding and maniacal opposition he has faced.   But I've come to the conclusion,  less than three months out of the election, that he is leading Republicans and conservatism over a cliff. 

And it's all so completely unnecessary.   It should be the hour of triumph, where we consolidate our victories and move forward into a more hopeful future.   Instead,  the President's obsessions and paranoias  and oxygen-hogging are going to hand things to a socialist and media cabal that will replace our prosperity with a new Venezuela.

I would agree that Trump has, at times, lost focus on who the real enemy is...as do I at times. As do we all. Its easy to get distracted by those in our party...and those who are supposedly conservative...who are undermining the cause of conservatism from within. But we should always remember that support for the President WITHIN the party is incredibly high...historically high. So he does need to keep his aim more focused on the Left...as does EVERYONE who believes in a conservative/libertarian future. We are all facing an approaching hurricane but we (conservatives/Republicans) are quibbling over the price of tea...and these inner struggles are devastating to OUR cause.

I personally put the lion's share of blame on the NT's (for our inner party conflicts) but would be glad to put that all behind us if folks could just move forward and except that we have an elected conservative...Republican...President who is out front fighting the approaching storm...with all his flaws and personal eccentricities. You don't win such a battle with the army you want, you win it with the one you've got. We got the NT's, the NT's got Trump...neither of us are pleased over this fact...but if both parties don't find a way to cooperate in fighting the approaching hellstorm, we will all be swept away. So let's all get Woke!

For god's sake, if you can't stop fighting against our own Republican President...at least START fighting against the tidal wave of the Left. Sitting on the sidelines rooting for 3rd parties that aren't even on the playing field...or reveling in your own moral narcissism...HELPS the wave grow. Fight back, and do it for yourselves if not for the President or your fellow conservatives! Just do something...anything...to stop this rise of Socialism that is fast approaching. And if your answer is that fighting Trump and fighting the Commies is one and the same, you are lost intellectually/morally, and have had your common sense...evidently...surgically removed.