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Right...


Sorry I happen to believe the State of Hawaii..

"the long-form image purported to represent Obama’s original birth certificate from the state of Hawaii"

It was not FROM the state of Hawaii. 

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The question I was responding to is whether Obama could be prosecuted for perpetrating a fraud. The answer from a legal standpoint is no. He has gone to extensive lengths to establish that it is/was his personal and firm belief that he was born in HI. Among the many witnesses he could call is his former WH counsel [whose testimony would carry weight in a court of law]. Against this evidence there are no witnesses that I'm aware of who could make the case that Obama believes he was not born in HI.  In such a scenario Obama wins with ease.

Iow, from a legal standpoint, you can't present a case on the basis of,  "Well I and X-number of people believe Obama was born in Kenya, therefore Obama must believe it too." You'd be laughed out of court.

Even supposing you could prove Obama wasn't born in HI, that's still not proving he KNEW he wasn't born there. All Obama has to do is swear that the people he trusted--his mother, grandmother, etc.--told him he was born in HI and he believed them. How would you PROVE he was lying?

Bottom line: the only way Obama could be prosecuted for fraud is if it could be proven that he knew he wasn't born in HI. There are really only two ways to succeed in such a case. First, the production of written evidence originating from Obama himself to the effect that he was aware of his non-Hawaiin birth. Second, the production of witnesses who would be willing to swear that Obama told them he is foreign born. Afaik, no such  evidence or witnesses exist.

This isn't legalism. It's just the facts.

The best we can do at this point, realistically, is simply to expose the fraud that was perpetrated on the country. Obama doesn't go to jail, but he goes down in history as a person who was foisted upon the American voters via lies and skulduggery. It would further tarnish his sorry legacy as well as vastly reduce the likelihood of such a scam succeeding in the future.

His grandmother said he was born in Kenya.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Ping to Victoria33 and CatherineofAragon:  Joe's eloquent essay provides a very good summary concerning the massive conspiracy that Trump is slowly and methodically dismantling, necessarily under the public radar.  After reading the whole essay, I would urge you to focus on this one paragraph:

I will now go on record as saying that the Birth Certificate fraud--the main topic of this thread and the specific topic that triggered Joes' post--is only one of the "insane-sounding" things that is overdue for complete elucidation.   (Joe obviously agrees with me, but it bears re-emphasizing.)  Obama's citizenship fraud is extraordinarily shocking in itself, but some of the as-yet-unrevealed crimes perpetrated by the Global Socialist Cabal are UNIMAGINABLY EVIL.  I flatly submit that these crimes include some of the stuff that Quix and I have been warning you about on Quix's Qanon thread.

Alas, the very UNIMAGINABLENESS of the Cabal's crimes tend to make them UNBELIEVABLY evil.  In other words, most folks CANNOT, WILL NOT BELIEVE the awful reports that are already available.  The exercise of facing the awful truth takes more moral courage than most people have.  (It's one of the reasons why the worst of the Cabal's conspirators will not be tried in civilian courts.) 

Weirdest of all, Marshall McLuhan would say that the public's fearful incredulity is precisely what affords the Cabal its greatest sort of protection for its very worst crimes.   Please do not be even inadvertently complicit in protecting evils that need to be exposed.    

@the_doc 

Everybody on the forum could agree with you, and your urging still wouldn’t affect my dismissal of the most nutty & obviously absurd conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard in my life.

You want to use former crooked, unethical, and/or illegal Democrat/ media practices to prove the Q stuff, but proof is not “well, they did that, so they might have/could have done this.”  It’s nothing more than imagination and wishful thinking, especially when what you’re trying to prove amounts to finding Bigfoot.

The latest thing is red shoes made from the skins of children, right?  I’m going to sign off and let you wonder who I really am.

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I posted that to DOC.  No answer is required. I realize any one can respond.  But why?  It was for THE DOC, In response to his post.
Best wishes.

That's cute.
The post you sent to DOC was about me.
So, heck yes, I'm going to respond, whether or not you feel an answer is required or not.
If you are going to talk about me, I will respond.
Get used to it.

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"Alas, the very UNIMAGINABLENESS of the Cabal's crimes tend to make them UNBELIEVABLY evil.  In other words, most folks CANNOT, WILL NOT BELIEVE the awful reports that are already available.  The exercise of facing the awful truth takes more moral courage than most people have.  (It's one of the reasons why the worst of the Cabal's conspirators will not be tried in civilian courts.) 
..most folks CANNOT, WILL NOT BELIEVE the awful reports that are already available.  The exercise of facing the awful truth takes more moral courage than most people have."
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You are over reacting.  Our world is not coming to an end if people committed crimes, are arrested and taken to court.  You think we can't believe this, that we won't believe it, that it is so terrible we don't have the "moral courage" to accept it.  You don't know any of us personally, so you don't know what we would think.  It means nothing to me no matter what it is as I can't do anything about it.  My life won't change one bit.

There are terrible people all over the world who do terrible acts.  There are over 300 million people in this country and some of them do terrible things; some are rich and some are poor and some are in the middle of being rich or poor. 

It was part of my job to psychologically test and counsel CAREER CRIMINALS.  I have heard it all.  From them I learned how to get your prostitute to obey you.  Lock her in a closet naked with her hands tied and leave her there a few days - she will obey you then.  I know how to kill someone and dispose of the body so no one will find it. One man, as soon as he got out of prison, found the man who had squealed on him that put him in prison, and he killed him and buried him in his back yard.  I asked why he buried him in his back yard.  He said he had to get him out of his car as he didn't want blood inside his car. The body was found and he was sent back to prison.  He was sent to me after that last prison term.

One man should not have been sent to prison.  He was mentally retarded and took some tires from a car repair place IN BROAD DAYLIGHT.  He didn't know that was a crime - he just took the tires.

So, no matter what these people, rich and well known as you list names (with no evidence), did, arrest them and try them in a regular court (no one is going to be tried in a military court, that is ridiculous) and they are not going to be sent to GITMO in Cuba for trial and prison or being executed.  That is the ridiculous part of this, not the crimes.  And, if they are sent to GITMO, I will be surprised, but again, my life won't change and neither will yours or Quix unless you get on a regular jury and have to spend time in regular court.  If you believe what you write, and want to do something about it, take action, join the military and get yourself sent to GITMO so you will be a part of this.
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His grandmother said he was born in Kenya.

I already responded directly to that mythical claim. Once was enough. If you're sincerely interested in a rational discussion of the subject, please go back and read my prior comments.

Thank you.

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You are over reacting.  Our world is not coming to an end if people committed crimes, are arrested and taken to court.  You think we can't believe this, that we won't believe it, that it is so terrible we don't have the "moral courage" to accept it.  You don't know any of us personally, so you don't know what we would think.  It means nothing to me no matter what it is as I can't do anything about it.  My life won't change one bit.

There are terrible people all over the world who do terrible acts.  There are over 300 million people in this country and some of them do terrible things; some are rich and some are poor and some are in the middle of being rich or poor. 

It was part of my job to psychologically test and counsel CAREER CRIMINALS.  I have heard it all.  From them I learned how to get your prostitute to obey you.  Lock her in a closet naked with her hands tied and leave her there a few days - she will obey you then.  I know how to kill someone and dispose of the body so no one will find it. One man, as soon as he got out of prison, found the man who had squealed on him that put him in prison, and he killed him and buried him in his back yard.  I asked why he buried him in his back yard.  He said he had to get him out of his car as he didn't want blood inside his car. The body was found and he was sent back to prison.  He was sent to me after that last prison term.

One man should not have been sent to prison.  He was mentally retarded and took some tires from a car repair place IN BROAD DAYLIGHT.  He didn't know that was a crime - he just took the tires.

So, no matter what these people, rich and well known as you list names (with no evidence), did, arrest them and try them in a regular court (no one is going to be tried in a military court, that is ridiculous) and they are not going to be sent to GITMO in Cuba for trial and prison or being executed.  That is the ridiculous part of this, not the crimes.  And, if they are sent to GITMO, I will be surprised, but again, my life won't change and neither will yours or Quix unless you get on a regular jury and have to spend time in regular court.  If you believe what you write, and want to do something about it, take action, join the military and get yourself sent to GITMO so you will be a part of this.
@Victoria33 
Obviously, you are not 'most folks'.
That was the demographic referred to in the quote you replied to.

Still, I must ask who would believe some of the things which have been documented to have taken place. ("Fast and Furious", for example, an obvious way to inflate the statistics that were used in an attempt to justify an "assault rifle" ban in the US, because those stats, in reality, fell far short of the numbers the anti-gunners wanted to achive that justification, and the DOJ and BATFE and the Obama Administration were, with ranking Dems, obviously hostile to the RKBA.)  That is one of the more believable unbelievable acts which occurred (especially after being exposed by a whistleblower and documented by others), whether the motivation is entirely correct or not--the provision of arms to international criminals by decree of the BATFE. Some domestic firearms sales were involved as well, although "Operation Gangwalker" got far less press.

The idea, though, is that the more the actual plot reads like a bad spy novel, or a fanciful horror story, the less that people will believe the crime actually occurred, and the easier it is to dismiss as the paranoid blatherings of "conspiracy theorists".  Admittedly, that phenomenon can equally be used as a defense of allegations which can be thus dismissed, in the instance no evidence exists. But people will ignore evidence in order to retain preconcieved notions, especially if those notions are more comfortable.

If one made the assertion that members of SCOTUS who participated in a demonic cult ruled on Roe to have mass human sacrifice in fealty to their deity, even if evidence existed, in their own words, it would be too horrific for people to accept. Why? Because it would make our country the instrument of unacceptable evil.

That if there was a secret cabal of people who get together to dine on human flesh (however obtained) and that they were highly placed, prominent, or wealthy (or a combination thereof), would people believe that?
Actually, it might depend on just who the cabal was composed of, at least for many.

But we can accept that one person, working alone might seduce homosexual Asian males and take them home and eat them, because that's just one crazy and not a unified group working toward one evil purpose.

In reality, so much more evil can be perpetrated by a group who is unified in purpose, the diversity of capabilities and/or authority can provide much better cover for any such operation, better organization, provision of logistical support, and efficiency.

And the more unbelievable the crime, the more unbelievable the accusation.

If the accusation is unbelievable, those people will never be arrested, taken to court, nor punished, because the nature and scope of the crime will be attributed to a scattering of "isolated incidents" by individual perpetrators acting independently. Because of that, many crimes will go undiscovered, and the true nature of the group will remain unrevealed. A few drones or worker bees will fall, at best, and the hive will continue.

Let's suppose, for an instance, that proof, incontrovertible, undeniable, irrefutable proof was obtained that Obama had not been born in America, that his whole 'legend' was false (which might explain sealed records from grade school on), that the Birth Certificate (image) he produced was the  product of co-conspirators, signed off on by other conspirators (a Subud Cult member/affiliate who is conveniently unavailable for comment), all for the purpose of placing him in office, produced after the fact to quell "conspiracy theory" that he was, as he had advertised during his Congressional campaign, a Kenyan, and not a Natural Born Citizen, and thus ineligible for the office he held.

About half the eyes on this forum would roll back, someone would post the image of the "Oh, Jeez, not this s___ again!" guy, and the sniping would start and the thread be moved to cheeseville by the moderators.

And nothing would happen. Why? Well, it's outrageous, inconceivable, obviously the concoction of some bunch of paranoid hillbillies, probably racists, to discredit.... "It could never happen.", right?

Which makes the point.

If most people can't believe something, that isn't evidence it did not occur, nor isn't occurring, just a question of their ability to believe it.

Yes, we know that heinous crimes are committed by individuals, too. They don't have to be a member of some club to do that. But the presence of individual criminals doesn't preclude more massive, coordinated operations, any more than a small shop craftsman making a table precludes Ikea. We even have historical examples of evil perpetrated on an industrial scale, complete with efficiency studies and tailored engineering to make the process more efficient.

So why is it so hard to believe that something similar, albeit on a smaller scale, may be present on our shores, or part of an international plot?

Because we don't want to. It can't happen here, right? We're better than that. etc. 

So truly outrageous acts, are dismissed as fictional because that thought, for most people, is far easier to live with as long as they know no one directly affected. They are difficult enough to process as individual aberrations in the human population, but the idea that there is a group of people working toward some heinous end, especially people who have the public trust, would be as difficult to accept (conceptually) as a group of affiliated day care centers funneling toddlers into a network for human sacrifice to some demonic deity, and a small meal after the festivities. 

And therein lies the first line of defense. If no one believes the crime occurred (too outrageous), the perpetrators remain safe.
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I already responded directly to that mythical claim. Once was enough. If you're sincerely interested in a rational discussion of the subject, please go back and read my prior comments.

Thank you.

As did I. 


And this lawsuit filed in Pensylvania

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA


PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE

Plaintiff

vs.


CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083


BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL

Defendants


AFFIDAVIT OF BISHOP RON McRAE

I, Bishop Ron McRae am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a party to the
within action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as
follows;

I am the Continental Bishop who oversees the Anabaptists Churches in North
America. I am also the Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery, where we have
numerous churches throughout Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of
the Congo and mission works in several other African nations. The African Presbytery is
comprised of the national bishops of the various countries we minister in and support,
along with our statewide bishops from New York and Pennsylvania.

We actively visit and minister throughout these African countries, and do so
extensively throughout all of Kenya these last three [3] years. In overseeing the
establishment of our churches and presbytery in Kenya, over the last two [2] years we
have had personal dealings, continually, with many citizens of Kenya from every tribe
and economic standing throughout the wonderful nation of Kenya, with whom the
national interests in United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a very popular topic
of discussion. The tribal cultures of the Kenyanese people have involved much turmoil
during the national elections at the end of December 2007 and the beginning of 2008.


Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae


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The much published violence that erupted over the presidential elections caught the
world’s attention. Myself and several American minister with our church were present
during this time in Kenya, and the facts concerning this strife and the ensuing violence
were well known, and of common knowledge throughout all of Kenya.

The opposition party that was responsible for all of the violence was from the
minority Luo tribe, which is a Muslim tribe that supported Mr. Raila Odinga for
president. Raila Odinga is a Marxists socialist who graduated from the East Germany
Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship from the East German government. He
named his first born son after Fidel Castro. Raila Odinga spent six years in prison for his
admitted involvement in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 to over take and assassinate
Daniel Arap Moi, Kenya’s President. Mr. Odinga has publicly admitted to being the
leader of that coup in his 2006.

Mr. Odinga is the cousin of United States Senator Barack Obama; Mr. Obama is
from the same Muslim tribe, the Luo Tribe, as Mr. Odinga. Senator Obama visited Kenya
in August of 2006 and campaigned extensively for his cousin, Mr. Odinga, which gave
Odinga a tremendous boost. During Senator Obama’s campaign stops on behalf of his
cousin Odinga, the Senator made numerous claims against the democratic government of
Kenya and Kenya’s President Mwai Kibaki, claiming they were corrupt, stating often,
that Kenya was “ready for change”, just as he has campaigned here in the United States
during this Presidential election. It has also been common knowledge throughout Kenya
that Senator Obama sent his foreign policy advisor, Mr. Mark Lippert, to Kenya at least
three times to advise Mr. Odinga on his campaign strategies. See Mark Hyman’s
Washington Times article published October 12, 2008, attached as Exhibit “1”.
Moreover, everyone in Kenya is well aware that Senator Obama donated over one million


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American dollars ($1,000,000.00) to his cousin’s, Mr. Odinga’s campaign, which is
documented in the Kenyan Political Party, for Mr. Odinga, Orange Democratic
Movement [hereinafter “ODM”] along with extensive funds from other Muslim
supporters including but not limited to the Muslim son of Muammar Gadhafi, the dictator
of Libyan’s Muslim government. These issues are common knowledge throughout
Kenya, and the information is publicly documented across the internet.

It is detailed in Odinga’s financial reports and strategies ODM Internal Memo
documents, attached as Exhibit “2”, which are public records, that a significant portion
of Senator Obama’s financial contributions (made through an organization identified as
Friends of Senator Barack Obama) were used to help finance both the signed Muslim
Memorandum of Understanding as well as the planned violence, murders and bloodshed
that occurred in December of 2007. Within the ODM Internal Memo attached as Exhibit
“2”, the funds donated by Mr. Obama through “Friends of Senator Barack Obama” were
to be used for “Violence as a last result...to discourage voter participation in hostile
areas...use ODM agents on the ground to engineer ethnic tensions in target
areas...support Kapondi’s forces in Mt. Eglon”, and to do so during “Mid-December”.
Unfortunately, the exact violence described in these reports was carried out and occurred
at the beginning of the second week of December 2007.

Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim
communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propagandas here in the United
States, US Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he
was born in Mombassa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the
Obama campaign for presidency of the United States. Mr. Obama’s cousin ran his failed
campaign for the Kenyan presidency in the identical fashion of Senator Obama’s


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American campaign strategy, and that being to join a nominal Christian church in order
to publicly profess to be a Christian, while maintaining their actual Muslim beliefs, in
order to sway public opinion away from the actual fact of his strong Muslim beliefs,
family and goals. It is a known fact that membership in the United Church of Christ in
Chicago, where Barack Obama was a member, does not require Muslim’s to renounce
their Islamic faith in order to join the UCC church. Throughout Kenya it is and was well
publicized in the media that a Memorandum of Understanding agreement, attached as
Exhibit “3”, between Raila Odinga and Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National
Muslim Leaders Forum, was signed by Odinga on August 29, 2007 in which Raila
Odinga promised if elected to implement numerous drastic changes including but not
limited to the following.

• Recognize “Islam as the only true religion”.

• “Islamic leaders would have an oversight role to monitor activities of ALL other
religions” [emphasis in the original],

• Installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction to implement Islamic law.

• Implement a ban on Christian preaching.

Because of the seriousness of all the above, as a Christian and a citizen of the
United States, this preacher could no longer sit idly by knowing these things and continue
to minister in both Kenya and the United States. As the presiding bishop over the
Continental Presbytery of Africa, I authorized representatives within our church to locate
and interview Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama, the actual grandmother of US Senator Barack
Obama. Ms. Sarah Obama lives in the Alego-Kogello, approximately 37 miles from
Kisumu, where the Anabaptists have a congregation, and where this preacher has
preached several times prior to the December elections in 2007, and prior to the planned
violence from the Odinga supporters, which erupted.

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With Senator Obama being born in Kenya and not in the United States, he is not a
“natural born” citizen and it prohibits him from being eligible to run for and/or serve as
President of the United States. Since Senator Obama’s birth was reportedly in 1961, birth
records may or may not be available, so I felt it very important to obtain the testimony of
his grandmother as a first hand witness, since it is commonly known throughout Kenya,
and especially around the Kisumu area, that Sarah Obama was present when Barack
Obama, Jr. was born in Kenya.

Accordingly, on Thursday, October 16, 2008 Reverend Kweli Shuhudia (actual
name temporarily withheld to protect his life), an evangelists with our ministries
throughout Africa traveled to Kogello and located Ms. Sarah Obama at her home, see the
attached email, attached as Exhibit “4”. Mr. Shuhudia is a very intelligent and educated
citizen of Africa, a former teacher and respected evangelist throughout Africa. Mr.
Shuhudia acts as our official translator when we are in Africa, and is fluent in both
Swahili and English. Mr. Shuhudia met and interviewed Ms. Sarah Obama at length on
October 16 lh , during which interview; he called me on my mobile number, see my phone
record attached as Exhibit “5”. Mr. Shuhudia called me first on October 16 ,h at
10:33a.m. and advised that he was with Sarah Hussein Obama and that she wanted to
speak with me, but the connection was lost. He called me right back at 10:35a.m. and he
informed me that there were several hundred people present, celebrating Obama’s
success. I questioned him about the format of the phone call and conversation with Ms.
Obama, and then informed him that I would call him right back, so it would not cost him
international charges for the call. I called back at 10:40a.m. and public music and voices
could be heard that were gathered around Kweli Shuhudia. I then spoke with him and
requested that they utilize the speaker phone so everyone could hear. The speaker phone


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with its open microphone was utilized with Mr. Shuhudia, Mr. Vitalis Akech Ogombe the
Kogelo Community Chairman assisting in the translation work and Ms. Sarah Hussein,
along with several hundred people including policeman present and listening to the open
conversation between the four of us for approximately 15 minutes. Mr. Vitqalis Ogombe
is also the step grandson of Ms. Obama and the cousin of Barack Obama. A third
unknown party can be heard periodically interjecting both Swahili and English words in
the public discussion and conversation between the four of us. At times the room noise
from other peoples’ voices makes some of the swahili difficult to hear, and towards the
end of the converstaion several men’s voices are heard that are not identified. As I talked
to and questioned Ms. Obama publicly over the open microphone of Mr. Shuhudia’s
speaker phone, they would translate what I said to her in Swahili publicly, and then they
would translate her Swahili responses to me publicly in English. Ms. Obama can fluently
speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write. In the ensuing public
conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson
Barack Obama was born in Kenya?” This was asked to her in translation twice, and both
times she specifically replied, “Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was
born”. Though, some few younger relatives, including Mr. Ogombe, have obviously been
versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American
news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very
adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that
she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States.
When Mr.
Ogombe attempted to counter Sarah Obama’s clear responses to the question, verifying
the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, I asked Mr. Ogombe, how she could be present at
Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but Ogombe would not answer


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the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the
United States!” But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed
her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
A transcript of this taped public interview is attached as Exhibit “6”. Mr. Shuhudia took
photographs during the open conversation and interview with Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama,
which photos will be forthcoming.

Because of the seriousness of the political situation and the impact of such on a
United States Presidential election, and because of the factual reality of tremendous
violence in Kenya towards Christians, especially in the immediate area of Kisumu, where
both Sarah Hussein Obama and Rev. Kweli Shuhudia live, it is requested that all
reasonable and legal steps be taken to secure Rev. Kweli Shuhudia’s identity to the
Federal Court alone, in order to protect his life and safety for being willing to provide this
very important assistance in gathering this testimony and evidence to be used in any
Federal litigation.

The above related facts are true and verifiable to the best of my personal knowledge
before God Almighty, whose I am and whom I serve.

I declare under the penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States, that the
foregoing is true and correct.

Dated: October cM / . 2008 Bv ttieTtrace of God alone.



Residing Bishop

Continental Presbytery of Africa

Anabaptists Churches of N. America


John 3:30/

Philippians 3:19-21, 29, 30


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NOTARY PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT


Commonwealth of Pennsylvania )



On October 2008, before me



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personally appeared Bisphop Ron McRae who proved to me on the basis
of satisfactory evidence to be the person whose name is subscribed to the within
instrument and acknowledged to me that he executed the same and that by his
signature on the instrument the person executed the instrument..

I certify under PENALTY OF PERJURY under the laws of United States that the
foregoing paragraph is true and correct. commonwealth of Pennsylvania


WITNESS my hand and official seal.


Notarial Seal

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Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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@the_doc 

Everybody on the forum could agree with you, and your urging still wouldn’t affect my dismissal of the most nutty & obviously absurd conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard in my life.

You want to use former crooked, unethical, and/or illegal Democrat/ media practices to prove the Q stuff, but proof is not “well, they did that, so they might have/could have done this.”  It’s nothing more than imagination and wishful thinking, especially when what you’re trying to prove amounts to finding Bigfoot.

The latest thing is red shoes made from the skins of children, right?  I’m going to sign off and let you wonder who I really am.

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It was the whole, 'born in Kenya,' misdirection that made birthers look like idiots. In fact, 100% of the available evidence points to a Vancouver birth.  As I've asked before, how do people who claim a HI birth account for the fact that no one saw Stanley Ann Dunham with a newborn in HI.  The first documented sighting of SAD with the newborn was in Seattle, 2,677 miles from Honolulu.

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So truly outrageous acts, are dismissed as fictional because that thought, for most people, is far easier to live with as long as they know no one directly affected. They are difficult enough to process as individual aberrations in the human population, but the idea that there is a group of people working toward some heinous end, especially people who have the public trust, would be as difficult to accept (conceptually) as a group of affiliated day care centers funneling toddlers into a network for human sacrifice to some demonic deity, and a small meal after the festivities. 

And therein lies the first line of defense. If no one believes the crime occurred (too outrageous), the perpetrators remain safe.


Hmmm...You seem to be upstaging me and my famously lengthy posts.  (Well, puh-leez keep it up!  That was another OUTSTANDING essay, my esteemed friend.)

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And this lawsuit filed in Pensylvania

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA


PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE

Plaintiff

vs.


CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083


BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL

Defendants


AFFIDAVIT OF BISHOP RON McRAE

I, Bishop Ron McRae am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a party to the
within action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as
follows;

I am the Continental Bishop who oversees the Anabaptists Churches in North
America. I am also the Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery, where we have
numerous churches throughout Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of
the Congo and mission works in several other African nations. The African Presbytery is
comprised of the national bishops of the various countries we minister in and support,
along with our statewide bishops from New York and Pennsylvania.

We actively visit and minister throughout these African countries, and do so
extensively throughout all of Kenya these last three [3] years. In overseeing the
establishment of our churches and presbytery in Kenya, over the last two [2] years we
have had personal dealings, continually, with many citizens of Kenya from every tribe
and economic standing throughout the wonderful nation of Kenya, with whom the
national interests in United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a very popular topic
of discussion. The tribal cultures of the Kenyanese people have involved much turmoil
during the national elections at the end of December 2007 and the beginning of 2008.


Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae


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The much published violence that erupted over the presidential elections caught the
world’s attention. Myself and several American minister with our church were present
during this time in Kenya, and the facts concerning this strife and the ensuing violence
were well known, and of common knowledge throughout all of Kenya.

The opposition party that was responsible for all of the violence was from the
minority Luo tribe, which is a Muslim tribe that supported Mr. Raila Odinga for
president. Raila Odinga is a Marxists socialist who graduated from the East Germany
Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship from the East German government. He
named his first born son after Fidel Castro. Raila Odinga spent six years in prison for his
admitted involvement in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 to over take and assassinate
Daniel Arap Moi, Kenya’s President. Mr. Odinga has publicly admitted to being the
leader of that coup in his 2006.

Mr. Odinga is the cousin of United States Senator Barack Obama; Mr. Obama is
from the same Muslim tribe, the Luo Tribe, as Mr. Odinga. Senator Obama visited Kenya
in August of 2006 and campaigned extensively for his cousin, Mr. Odinga, which gave
Odinga a tremendous boost. During Senator Obama’s campaign stops on behalf of his
cousin Odinga, the Senator made numerous claims against the democratic government of
Kenya and Kenya’s President Mwai Kibaki, claiming they were corrupt, stating often,
that Kenya was “ready for change”, just as he has campaigned here in the United States
during this Presidential election. It has also been common knowledge throughout Kenya
that Senator Obama sent his foreign policy advisor, Mr. Mark Lippert, to Kenya at least
three times to advise Mr. Odinga on his campaign strategies. See Mark Hyman’s
Washington Times article published October 12, 2008, attached as Exhibit “1”.
Moreover, everyone in Kenya is well aware that Senator Obama donated over one million


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American dollars ($1,000,000.00) to his cousin’s, Mr. Odinga’s campaign, which is
documented in the Kenyan Political Party, for Mr. Odinga, Orange Democratic
Movement [hereinafter “ODM”] along with extensive funds from other Muslim
supporters including but not limited to the Muslim son of Muammar Gadhafi, the dictator
of Libyan’s Muslim government. These issues are common knowledge throughout
Kenya, and the information is publicly documented across the internet.

It is detailed in Odinga’s financial reports and strategies ODM Internal Memo
documents, attached as Exhibit “2”, which are public records, that a significant portion
of Senator Obama’s financial contributions (made through an organization identified as
Friends of Senator Barack Obama) were used to help finance both the signed Muslim
Memorandum of Understanding as well as the planned violence, murders and bloodshed
that occurred in December of 2007. Within the ODM Internal Memo attached as Exhibit
“2”, the funds donated by Mr. Obama through “Friends of Senator Barack Obama” were
to be used for “Violence as a last result...to discourage voter participation in hostile
areas...use ODM agents on the ground to engineer ethnic tensions in target
areas...support Kapondi’s forces in Mt. Eglon”, and to do so during “Mid-December”.
Unfortunately, the exact violence described in these reports was carried out and occurred
at the beginning of the second week of December 2007.

Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim
communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propagandas here in the United
States, US Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he
was born in Mombassa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the
Obama campaign for presidency of the United States. Mr. Obama’s cousin ran his failed
campaign for the Kenyan presidency in the identical fashion of Senator Obama’s


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American campaign strategy, and that being to join a nominal Christian church in order
to publicly profess to be a Christian, while maintaining their actual Muslim beliefs, in
order to sway public opinion away from the actual fact of his strong Muslim beliefs,
family and goals. It is a known fact that membership in the United Church of Christ in
Chicago, where Barack Obama was a member, does not require Muslim’s to renounce
their Islamic faith in order to join the UCC church. Throughout Kenya it is and was well
publicized in the media that a Memorandum of Understanding agreement, attached as
Exhibit “3”, between Raila Odinga and Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National
Muslim Leaders Forum, was signed by Odinga on August 29, 2007 in which Raila
Odinga promised if elected to implement numerous drastic changes including but not
limited to the following.

• Recognize “Islam as the only true religion”.

• “Islamic leaders would have an oversight role to monitor activities of ALL other
religions” [emphasis in the original],

• Installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction to implement Islamic law.

• Implement a ban on Christian preaching.

Because of the seriousness of all the above, as a Christian and a citizen of the
United States, this preacher could no longer sit idly by knowing these things and continue
to minister in both Kenya and the United States. As the presiding bishop over the
Continental Presbytery of Africa, I authorized representatives within our church to locate
and interview Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama, the actual grandmother of US Senator Barack
Obama. Ms. Sarah Obama lives in the Alego-Kogello, approximately 37 miles from
Kisumu, where the Anabaptists have a congregation, and where this preacher has
preached several times prior to the December elections in 2007, and prior to the planned
violence from the Odinga supporters, which erupted.

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With Senator Obama being born in Kenya and not in the United States, he is not a
“natural born” citizen and it prohibits him from being eligible to run for and/or serve as
President of the United States. Since Senator Obama’s birth was reportedly in 1961, birth
records may or may not be available, so I felt it very important to obtain the testimony of
his grandmother as a first hand witness, since it is commonly known throughout Kenya,
and especially around the Kisumu area, that Sarah Obama was present when Barack
Obama, Jr. was born in Kenya.

Accordingly, on Thursday, October 16, 2008 Reverend Kweli Shuhudia (actual
name temporarily withheld to protect his life), an evangelists with our ministries
throughout Africa traveled to Kogello and located Ms. Sarah Obama at her home, see the
attached email, attached as Exhibit “4”. Mr. Shuhudia is a very intelligent and educated
citizen of Africa, a former teacher and respected evangelist throughout Africa. Mr.
Shuhudia acts as our official translator when we are in Africa, and is fluent in both
Swahili and English. Mr. Shuhudia met and interviewed Ms. Sarah Obama at length on
October 16 lh , during which interview; he called me on my mobile number, see my phone
record attached as Exhibit “5”. Mr. Shuhudia called me first on October 16 ,h at
10:33a.m. and advised that he was with Sarah Hussein Obama and that she wanted to
speak with me, but the connection was lost. He called me right back at 10:35a.m. and he
informed me that there were several hundred people present, celebrating Obama’s
success. I questioned him about the format of the phone call and conversation with Ms.
Obama, and then informed him that I would call him right back, so it would not cost him
international charges for the call. I called back at 10:40a.m. and public music and voices
could be heard that were gathered around Kweli Shuhudia. I then spoke with him and
requested that they utilize the speaker phone so everyone could hear. The speaker phone


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with its open microphone was utilized with Mr. Shuhudia, Mr. Vitalis Akech Ogombe the
Kogelo Community Chairman assisting in the translation work and Ms. Sarah Hussein,
along with several hundred people including policeman present and listening to the open
conversation between the four of us for approximately 15 minutes. Mr. Vitqalis Ogombe
is also the step grandson of Ms. Obama and the cousin of Barack Obama. A third
unknown party can be heard periodically interjecting both Swahili and English words in
the public discussion and conversation between the four of us. At times the room noise
from other peoples’ voices makes some of the swahili difficult to hear, and towards the
end of the converstaion several men’s voices are heard that are not identified. As I talked
to and questioned Ms. Obama publicly over the open microphone of Mr. Shuhudia’s
speaker phone, they would translate what I said to her in Swahili publicly, and then they
would translate her Swahili responses to me publicly in English. Ms. Obama can fluently
speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write. In the ensuing public
conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson
Barack Obama was born in Kenya?” This was asked to her in translation twice, and both
times she specifically replied, “Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was
born”. Though, some few younger relatives, including Mr. Ogombe, have obviously been
versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American
news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very
adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that
she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States.
When Mr.
Ogombe attempted to counter Sarah Obama’s clear responses to the question, verifying
the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, I asked Mr. Ogombe, how she could be present at
Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but Ogombe would not answer


Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae


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the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the
United States!” But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed
her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
A transcript of this taped public interview is attached as Exhibit “6”. Mr. Shuhudia took
photographs during the open conversation and interview with Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama,
which photos will be forthcoming.

Because of the seriousness of the political situation and the impact of such on a
United States Presidential election, and because of the factual reality of tremendous
violence in Kenya towards Christians, especially in the immediate area of Kisumu, where
both Sarah Hussein Obama and Rev. Kweli Shuhudia live, it is requested that all
reasonable and legal steps be taken to secure Rev. Kweli Shuhudia’s identity to the
Federal Court alone, in order to protect his life and safety for being willing to provide this
very important assistance in gathering this testimony and evidence to be used in any
Federal litigation.

The above related facts are true and verifiable to the best of my personal knowledge
before God Almighty, whose I am and whom I serve.

I declare under the penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States, that the
foregoing is true and correct.

Dated: October cM / . 2008 Bv ttieTtrace of God alone.



Residing Bishop

Continental Presbytery of Africa

Anabaptists Churches of N. America


John 3:30/

Philippians 3:19-21, 29, 30


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personally appeared Bisphop Ron McRae who proved to me on the basis
of satisfactory evidence to be the person whose name is subscribed to the within
instrument and acknowledged to me that he executed the same and that by his
signature on the instrument the person executed the instrument..

I certify under PENALTY OF PERJURY under the laws of United States that the
foregoing paragraph is true and correct. commonwealth of Pennsylvania


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I used to make this same idiotic argument.  Then an HONEST person walked me step by step through the interview.  In context, Mama Sarah is CLEARLY speaking of her stepson, Obama Sr.

If you disagree, link me to a pic of the house or hut Stanley Ann Dunham lived in (in Kenya) during her pregnancy. It must be incredibly famous.

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I used to make this same idiotic argument.  Then an HONEST person walked me step by step through the interview.  In context, Mama Sarah is CLEARLY speaking of her stepson, Obama Sr.

If you disagree, link me to a pic of the house or hut Stanley Ann Dunham lived in (in Kenya) during her pregnancy. It must be incredibly famous.

Oh, I see she was senile and couldn't figure out who she was talking about.  Why would she have to live there?

Here's some interesting information

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/24/magazine/mag-24Obama-t.html

And the Luo Tribe has traditional culture relating to births.

excerpt:

SHAVING THE BABY (Lielo Nyathi)
In olden days shaving of a new born was a ritual of its kind. The shaving was done by a grandmother or an aged lady from the some clan, if the grandmother was not around or was dead. The person shaving was required to have a calabash (Agwata) full of water, a traditional razor and traditional Herb. A calabash full of water was used to prevent the baby from being obese, the traditional Herb was used as soup.

http://www.elimuasilia.org/index.php/culture-blog/72-culture/168-celebrating-the-birth-of-a-baby-in-old-luo-culture

To just assume because she didn't live there is not evidence.  They had a very short marriage.  She was only 17 and even you said she wasn't seen in Hawaii with the baby.

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Oh, I see she was senile and couldn't figure out who she was talking about.  Why would she have to live there?

How could Stanley Ann have given birth in Kenya without having lived there?

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It was the whole, 'born in Kenya,' misdirection that made birthers look like idiots. In fact, 100% of the available evidence points to a Vancouver birth.  As I've asked before, how do people who claim a HI birth account for the fact that no one saw Stanley Ann Dunham with a newborn in HI.  The first documented sighting of SAD with the newborn was in Seattle, 2,677 miles from Honolulu.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.  (Your argument is remarkably similar to your earlier argument ridiculing the Kenyan birthplace scenario [and now calling its adherents idiots] on the peculiar grounds that no one could find out where SAD stayed in Kenya when she was approaching the birth of Obama four-plus decades ago.)

The way you are adducing dubious evidence as veritable proof (100%) of your Vancouver theory looks kinda bad--especially since you have also claimed to have "debunked" the "myth" that the Kenyan Grandma said her grandson was born in Kenya.  Chosen Daughter has now twice posted the legal affidavit arguing quite convincingly that the Kenyan Grandma did say what you have claimed the Grandma certainly didn't say.

This post is not an ad hominem attack on my part, despite your recent insinuation on this thread that I have been a snarky cad in my treatment of you.  I will stipulate that you're not necessarily an idiot, friend.  You're just wrong.  (Hey, it happens sometimes.) 

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How could Stanley Ann have given birth in Kenya without having lived there?
I thought Soetoro adopted him or some such, which would make him Indonesian, actually. It explains the ties to the Subud Cult as well, which comes out of Indonesia.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.  (Your argument is remarkably similar to your earlier argument ridiculing the Kenyan birthplace scenario [and now calling its adherents idiots] on the peculiar grounds that no one could find out where SAD stayed in Kenya when she was approaching the birth of Obama four-plus decades ago.)

The way you are adducing dubious evidence as veritable proof (100%) of your Vancouver theory looks kinda bad--especially since you have also claimed to have "debunked" the "myth" that the Kenyan Grandma said her grandson was born in Kenya.  Chosen Daughter has now twice posted the legal affidavit arguing quite convincingly that the Kenyan Grandma did say what you have claimed the Grandma certainly didn't say.

This post is not an ad hominem attack on my part, despite your recent insinuation on this thread that I have been a snarky cad in my treatment of you.  I will stipulate that you're not necessarily an idiot, friend.  You're just wrong.  (Hey, it happens sometimes.)
The reality is that my kids have to produce a birth certificate to get a picture ID or Driver's license, and can't get a job without one. Obama NEVER produced such documentation of his NBC status, nor was any produced in order to certify him as a candidate for POTUS. 
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I thought Soetoro adopted him or some such, which would make him Indonesian, actually. It explains the ties to the Subud Cult as well, which comes out of Indonesia.

She moved there almost immediately after divorce.  And he was adopted so he would be Indonesian and Muslim.



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How could Stanley Ann have given birth in Kenya without having lived there?

How?  She traveled there for the birth.  How else?
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How could Stanley Ann have given birth in Kenya without having lived there?


Good question.. Also why would she leave Hawaii to a third world country like Kenya?
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.  (Your argument is remarkably similar to your earlier argument ridiculing the Kenyan birthplace scenario [and now calling its adherents idiots] on the peculiar grounds that no one could find out where SAD stayed in Kenya when she was approaching the birth of Obama four-plus decades ago.)

The way you are adducing dubious evidence as veritable proof (100%) of your Vancouver theory looks kinda bad--especially since you have also claimed to have "debunked" the "myth" that the Kenyan Grandma said her grandson was born in Kenya.  Chosen Daughter has now twice posted the legal affidavit arguing quite convincingly that the Kenyan Grandma did say what you have claimed the Grandma certainly didn't say.

This post is not an ad hominem attack on my part, despite your recent insinuation on this thread that I have been a snarky cad in my treatment of you.  I will stipulate that you're not necessarily an idiot, friend.  You're just wrong.  (Hey, it happens sometimes.)

Please try to stick to the facts. First, I didn't call people who believe in the Kenyan birth idiots. Second, I have only presented a single fact in support of the Vancouver birth. Since no one wishes to address it, there's no point in presenting the rest of the evidence.

[Btw, I was a staunch believer in the Kenyan birth narrative for many years. I'm not about to call myself an idiot for being honestly misled.]

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Please try to stick to the facts. First, I didn't call people who believe in the Kenyan birth idiots. Second, I have only presented a single fact in support of the Vancouver birth. Since no one wishes to address it, there's no point in presenting the rest of the evidence.

[Btw, I was a staunch believer in the Kenyan birth narrative for many years. I'm not about to call myself an idiot for being honestly misled.]
Either way, his mother had not been resident in the US long enough past the age of majority to confer NBC status on her child. The only way he could have been an NBC is if his daddy was an American Citizen, and then the whole Kenyan thing, the "Dreams from my Father" narrative is exposed as pure fraud.

Which ever is the case, it is a lie within a lie, or just another lie. Those who signed off on his candidacy should be prosecuted for fraud. (One of the biggest cons ever perpetrated).
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I thought Soetoro adopted him or some such, which would make him Indonesian, actually. It explains the ties to the Subud Cult as well, which comes out of Indonesia.

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I'm simply addressing the fact that if Stanley Ann gave birth in Kenya she had to be resident there prior to the event. None of Obama's relatives support this fact. I.e.: none of them take visitors on a tour of Stanley Ann's living quarters during her [mythical] stay with them. It would be lucrative for dirt poor Kenyans to make a tourist attraction out of the abode (even if it had only been for ~a month or so) of the mother of a US President. If Stanley Ann had been in Kenya prior to and during the birth, the locals would never stop telling the tale.

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Either way, his mother had not been resident in the US long enough past the age of majority to confer NBC status on her child. The only way he could have been an NBC is if his daddy was an American Citizen, and then the whole Kenyan thing, the "Dreams from my Father" narrative is exposed as pure fraud.

Which ever is the case, it is a lie within a lie, or just another lie. Those who signed off on his candidacy should be prosecuted for fraud. (One of the biggest cons ever perpetrated).

That's my take as well.  It doesn't matter whether he was born in Hawaii, Kenya,  or Vancouver there is no way the SOB is even a citizen much less an NBC.
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Either way, his mother had not been resident in the US long enough past the age of majority to confer NBC status on her child. The only way he could have been an NBC is if his daddy was an American Citizen, and then the whole Kenyan thing, the "Dreams from my Father" narrative is exposed as pure fraud.

Which ever is the case, it is a lie within a lie, or just another lie. Those who signed off on his candidacy should be prosecuted for fraud. (One of the biggest cons ever perpetrated).

I agree 100% with everything you wrote. All I'm saying is that all available evidence supports a Vancouver birth--as indeed it does.