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China’s Gas Tariffs Are a Permian-Size Problem for Oil
« on: August 08, 2018, 12:16:21 pm »
China’s Gas Tariffs Are a Permian-Size Problem for Oil
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-06/china-s-lng-tariffs-could-slam-permian-oil-producers
August 6, 2018

...The latest bit of America’s energy sector to feel the over-the-shoulder lash is the liquefied natural gas-export business. On Friday, LNG joined the list of goods that China will hit with tariffs in retaliation for U.S. ones. This is problematic when you consider China has taken 13 percent of U.S. LNG exports (and more like a quarter last winter), according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

As I wrote here about U.S. oil, a tariff imposed by one of the world’s largest importers of fuel will act as an effective tax on exporters. China buys U.S. LNG on the spot market, so its demand is very sensitive to the spread between benchmark U.S. natural gas prices and Asian prices. That spread has to absorb the cost of converting U.S. gas into a liquid (typically a 15 percent premium) and shipping it across the world (about $2 per million BTU via the Panama Canal, according to BNEF’s LNG Shipping Calculator).

Using futures prices for Henry Hub natural gas and the Japan-Korea Marker (JKM) as proxies, here’s what happens to the theoretical netback, or margin, of an exporter on the U.S. Gulf Coast selling LNG to Shanghai if a 25 percent tariff is imposed:

...The really fun thing about the LNG trade, though, is that, like with most other trades, everything is connected. So apart from the LNG sector, these tariffs could really cause problems for a bigger business up the pipe: the Permian basin’s oil producers.

How so? A side-effect of the surge in Permian oil output is a similar surge in associated gas that comes up alongside it. As long as oil prices encourage more fracking for oil, the gas essentially comes for free. This is a problem in west Texas because, short of coming up with an ingenious method allowing local residents to breathe the stuff, there isn’t enough demand there to take it all. Hence, gas priced in Waha, Texas, trades at a discount of almost 80 cents per million BTU, or 28 percent, to the Henry Hub benchmark....
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Re: China’s Gas Tariffs Are a Permian-Size Problem for Oil
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 01:05:46 pm »
Highlights why it is better to obtain long term contract commitments with China rather than simply spot sales.

Most LNG projects I am familiar with obtain the former to ensure minimum economics are achieved, with spot sales occurring for the excess.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2018, 02:20:47 pm »
Highlights why it is better to obtain long term contract commitments with China rather than simply spot sales.

Most LNG projects I am familiar with obtain the former to ensure minimum economics are achieved, with spot sales occurring for the excess.

That is the case for most Natural Gas liquids as well.  My client is heavy in long contracts for the NGLs, often 20 years, I believe.
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Re: China’s Gas Tariffs Are a Permian-Size Problem for Oil
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2018, 04:27:45 pm »
Screw 'em. Make fertilizer.
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2018, 07:49:30 pm »
Screw 'em. Make fertilizer.
That is likely what China does with the natural gas it imports.

At one time, China imported almost 50% of the world's market of urea.
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2018, 08:21:21 pm »
Then there is this

China yields to US oil market power

f the U.S. is about to engage in a trade war with China, the Middle Kingdom has just signaled that it wants a limited war by exempting a major (and growing) U.S. export to China: crude oil.

The Wall Street Journal reported:

As China made good on its threat to impose 25% tariffs on $16 billion worth of U.S. imports, one big-ticket item originally on its hit list was conspicuously missing: crude oil.

Oil had been one of a slate of targets China listed in June for tariffs to counter those the Trump administration threatened on Chinese imports.  The gambit jeopardized a budding relationship: Over the past two years China has become the biggest buyer of U.S. crude-oil exports, last year taking a fifth of the total.

But oil was off Wednesday's final list.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/08/china_yields_to_us_oil_market_power.html
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Re: China’s Gas Tariffs Are a Permian-Size Problem for Oil
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2018, 08:37:45 pm »
That is likely what China does with the natural gas it imports.

At one time, China imported almost 50% of the world's market of urea.
And I thought they just defecated in the rice paddies... where the fish farms are...
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Re: China’s Gas Tariffs Are a Permian-Size Problem for Oil
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2018, 01:31:13 am »
That is likely what China does with the natural gas it imports.

At one time, China imported almost 50% of the world's market of urea.

I read the industrial use of China Natural Gas is about 1/3 their total consumption.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2018, 01:36:10 am »
Then there is this

China yields to US oil market power

f the U.S. is about to engage in a trade war with China, the Middle Kingdom has just signaled that it wants a limited war by exempting a major (and growing) U.S. export to China: crude oil.

The Wall Street Journal reported:

As China made good on its threat to impose 25% tariffs on $16 billion worth of U.S. imports, one big-ticket item originally on its hit list was conspicuously missing: crude oil.

Oil had been one of a slate of targets China listed in June for tariffs to counter those the Trump administration threatened on Chinese imports.  The gambit jeopardized a budding relationship: Over the past two years China has become the biggest buyer of U.S. crude-oil exports, last year taking a fifth of the total.

But oil was off Wednesday's final list.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/08/china_yields_to_us_oil_market_power.html



U.S. Exports to China of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTEXCH2&f=M
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