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Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« on: August 03, 2018, 05:21:23 pm »
Economists do not think of capital spending in terms of real-world numbers.  They think of it as a concept in their models that self-equilibrates.  There isn't an economist from Harvard to Stanford or anywhere in between who knows this chart.  Believe me: I have worked with these people.  If you as a reader are in business or in academe, try me out.

The only person in public life who understands this chart is Donald Trump.  I cannot say he has literally looked at it, but he understands it.

Note that we are not talking about the "creative destruction of capitalism" here.  We are not talking about no longer making buggy whips.  We are talking about the staples of a modern economy, many of which we no longer have the capital equipment to manufacture.

We were the only country to emerge from World War II stronger than when we went into it, and our relative strength at the end of World War II was immeasurable.  It became our policy, and then our unconscious attitude, to "help other countries get back on their feet."  This attitude became a permanent part of our trade policy-making, wherein we essentially opened our markets to other countries while accepting that their markets were closed to us.

The chart shows that our ability to sustain the Lord Bountiful approach to trade ended forever in 2000, although nobody in power saw it until Donald Trump came along in 2016.

Among other things, this chart is the opioid epidemic – the despair created by permanent unemployment.  The lack of capital investment is what has created the regions where people have dropped out of the workforce and thus are no longer counted as being in it.
The chart is a picture of the consequences of our defeat in the trade war.  Only Trump – and American Thinker readers of this piece – know that we have experienced this defeat.


https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/08/why_is_trump_fighting_the_trade_war.html
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2018, 05:22:11 pm »
I found this article interesting, although I could not understand the Chart at all but you can view it and the rest of this article at the link.
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2018, 05:45:38 pm »
Nice story, but if we look at the data a little more closely, we see the BS behind it...




It's clear that recessions set back capital expenditures, but they pick right up again during recovery.  There's no magic December 2001 trigger.
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2018, 06:05:35 pm »
Nice story, but if we look at the data a little more closely, we see the BS behind it...




It's clear that recessions set back capital expenditures, but they pick right up again during recovery.  There's no magic December 2001 trigger.


The graph shows a repeated return to former highs but not above. We're not investing in our capital base.


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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 06:57:09 pm »
The graph shows a repeated return to former highs but not above. We're not investing in our capital base.

Here's a hint:
Subsidizing failure doesn't decrease the conditions that lead to failure.

For example, if you give a bonus to someone even when they slack off, you'll likely find them slacking off more.

Similarly, telling steel plants that refuse to innovate that we'll prop them up will mean that they'll continue to remain uncompetitive.  Why should they invest in capital and get tight on labor when they're being told that there's no support for layoffs or for being competitive?
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2018, 07:29:34 pm »


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    On May 19, President Clinton announced that he would be renewing China's trading privileges in spite of its human rights record, and against the wishes of over sixty percent of Americans who are opposed to trading with the oppressive communist regime. Why is the U.S. cracking down on smaller nations for alleged human rights abuses while extending favorable treatment to one of the most oppressive governments in the world?
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2018, 07:44:35 pm »
Regardless of the chart, it is quite simple.  We experienced decades of 'free trade' in lieu of 'fair trade' and our economy was hit hard. Add to that Bammy's brilliant healthcare plan; the hard hit economy was hit once again.  Add to that decades of illegals entering this country and that only compounds the negative impact that our country has been experiencing.  It's not brain surgery.  All of these issues have had a negative impact on our economy.  Trump is the only one who has had the backbone to do something about it and those who have profited off of the issues mentioned, are fighting him tooth and nail.  Trade is an issue that he seems to be most in tune with and I believe he and the U.S.A. will eventually succeed.
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2018, 08:25:26 pm »
Regardless of the chart, it is quite simple.  We experienced decades of 'free trade' in lieu of 'fair trade' and our economy was hit hard. Add to that Bammy's brilliant healthcare plan; the hard hit economy was hit once again.  Add to that decades of illegals entering this country and that only compounds the negative impact that our country has been experiencing.  It's not brain surgery.  All of these issues have had a negative impact on our economy.  Trump is the only one who has had the backbone to do something about it and those who have profited off of the issues mentioned, are fighting him tooth and nail.  Trade is an issue that he seems to be most in tune with and I believe he and the U.S.A. will eventually succeed.

@libertybele  I agree and I hope he succeeds.
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2018, 10:19:00 pm »
our economy was hit hard

Indeed. We were able to buy things at quite a discount.

The horror.
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2018, 10:35:25 pm »
Only Trump – and American Thinker readers of this piece – know that we have experienced this defeat.

I read the piece and still don't know that we have experienced this defeat.

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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2018, 11:17:49 pm »
I know the old trade policy of the US.
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2018, 01:06:55 am »
Indeed. We were able to buy things at quite a discount.

The horror.

In exchange for lost jobs, decreased or stagnant wages and inferior products (i.e., Chinese drywall), yes the horror!
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2018, 01:13:49 am »
"Why is Trump fighting the trade war?"

To win, of course.
Seems plain enough to me...  ;)

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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2018, 01:16:01 am »
"Why is Trump fighting the trade war?"

To win, of course.
Seems plain enough to me...  ;)

I have no doubt the he also sees opportunity to line his own pockets, but winning the trade war will benefit the country.
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2018, 01:58:29 am »
I have no doubt the he also sees opportunity to line his own pockets, but winning the trade war will benefit the country.

One usually doesn't win trade wars that they begin.  Trade wars almost inevitably lead to hot wars.   Then the cost in resources, money and bloodshed spilled is a zillion-times greater than the economic costs everyone is supposedly suffering from before they began the trade war.
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2018, 02:05:02 am »
NOT "fighting a trade war.

Merely negotiating terms which are more fair and favorable  to the US.

Exactly what citizen Trump first said was needed, decades ago. So he ran on it, and is now trying to implement.
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2018, 02:06:49 am »
Indeed. We were able to buy things Stolen Property at quite a discount.

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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2018, 05:51:44 am »


If you have a job, you can afford to buy things without the discount.  (Unemployment at record low)
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2018, 05:55:43 am »
If you have a job, you can afford to buy things without the discount.  (Unemployment at record low)

If you have money to give away, why don't you just write checks directly to the union bosses rather than forcing us all to pay for it?
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2018, 06:39:18 pm »
If you have money to give away, why don't you just write checks directly to the union bosses rather than forcing us all to pay for it?

If you have intelligence, why do you choose to post a completely irrelevant answer?  What does that even mean? 
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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2018, 06:42:57 pm »
If you have intelligence, why do you choose to post a completely irrelevant answer?  What does that even mean?

It's natural for him to seek ulterior motives, @Emjay

We did the same thing for 8 years of Obama and.....every time Hillary opens her mouth.

@Suppressed feels the same way about President Trump.

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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2018, 06:47:35 pm »
Regardless of the chart, it is quite simple.  We experienced decades of 'free trade' in lieu of 'fair trade' and our economy was hit hard. Add to that Bammy's brilliant healthcare plan; the hard hit economy was hit once again.  Add to that decades of illegals entering this country and that only compounds the negative impact that our country has been experiencing.  It's not brain surgery.  All of these issues have had a negative impact on our economy.  Trump is the only one who has had the backbone to do something about it and those who have profited off of the issues mentioned, are fighting him tooth and nail.  Trade is an issue that he seems to be most in tune with and I believe he and the U.S.A. will eventually succeed.

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Re: Why is Trump fighting the trade war?
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2018, 06:48:21 pm »
If you have intelligence, why do you choose to post a completely irrelevant answer?  What does that even mean?

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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2018, 06:56:15 pm »
If you have intelligence, why do you choose to post a completely irrelevant answer?  What does that even mean?
It means @Suppressed thinks tariffs are taxes, and taxes are theft, and we are tired of paying our ever higher "fair" share regardless of which Commander In Thief is running the swamp.

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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2018, 07:05:26 pm »
It means @Suppressed thinks tariffs are taxes, and taxes are theft, and we are tired of paying our ever higher "fair" share regardless of which Commander In Thief is running the swamp.

Thanks mucho for following a non sequitur with another non sequitur.  Always fun.

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