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Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« on: August 01, 2018, 12:35:48 pm »
Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
Breitbart, Jul 31, 2018, John Binder

The Cato Institute, a think tank partially founded by the billionaire, pro-mass immigration Koch brothers, is advocating for full open borders to the United States.  In an op-ed for USA Today, the Cato Institute’s Director of Economic Studies, Jeffrey Miron, says the U.S. “has nothing to fear, and much to gain, from open borders,” saying that Americans should “forget” about putting a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border to stop illegal immigration.
 
Miron downplayed the negative impact open borders would have on American citizens, writing: 
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Immigrants will not flood into America, although the rate of immigration might increase. Instead, much of the immigration will be temporary. Return migration happens because most people want to be near their families, surrounded by their own language, culture or religion.  . . .

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/31/koch-backed-cato-institute-time-for-the-u-s-to-have-open-borders/




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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 12:41:40 pm »
Camp of the Saints indeed.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 01:25:07 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 01, 2018, 12:35:48 pm
Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
Miron downplayed the negative impact open borders would have on American citizens, writing: 

"Immigrants will not flood into America, although the rate of immigration might increase. Instead, much of the immigration will be temporary. Return migration happens because most people want to be near their families, surrounded by their own language, culture or religion.  . . ."

"And if we happen to be wrong, oh well..."

If Cato made such a suggestion without first insisting on a complete overhaul of the welfare system they need to immediately lose their status as a "think tank dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peace." because they are for none of those things.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2018, 01:37:30 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on August 01, 2018, 01:25:07 pm
"And if we happen to be wrong, oh well..."

If Cato made such a suggestion without first insisting on a complete overhaul of the welfare system they need to immediately lose their status as a "think tank dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peace." because they are for none of those things.

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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2018, 01:40:29 pm »
If this is truly the way to go, all those wonderful democratic socialist progressive countries around the world would have adopted it by now.
Instead, we are seeing several European countries now regretting letting immigrants into their countries, from predominately Muslim countries.

I'd say, "You first, and tell us how it works out for you", but we can already see the results without playing this game.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2018, 01:43:42 pm »
Although I agree with them on a lot of issues, this is one of the several reasons I cannot call myself a Libertarian.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2018, 01:58:43 pm »
Like I take anything that have been published by Breitbart seriously nowadays.
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Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2018, 02:38:28 pm »
Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
 

In an op-ed for USA Today, the Cato Institute’s Director of Economic Studies, Jeffrey Miron, says the U.S. “has nothing to fear, and much to gain, from open borders,” saying that Americans should “forget” about putting a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border to stop illegal immigration.

Miron downplayed the negative impact open borders would have on American citizens, writing:
Immigrants will not flood into America, although the rate of immigration might increase. Instead, much of the immigration will be temporary. Return migration happens because most people want to be near their families, surrounded by their own language, culture or religion. [Emphasis added]
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Crime will not skyrocket. Available evidenceshows that immigrants are no more crime-prone than natives. And the additional immigrants likely to enter under open borders would plausibly be even less so, because they have shown respect for the law by not immigrating illegally. [Emphasis added]

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-open-borders/
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2018, 02:42:19 pm »
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2018, 02:58:15 pm »
Cheap labor pimps gotta be pimpin'.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2018, 05:56:50 pm »
   Trump Admin leaking this $hit to Trumpbart because the Koch Brothers have decided to not blindly support GOP candidates in the Midterms. 
   #Fake News and probably commie pinko's to boot.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2018, 06:09:34 pm »
I don't know this guy, so I looked him up on Wikipedia.  He's a libertarian, not a conservative.  Libertarians I believe are mostly open borders types.  If Cato is supposed to be conservative, then it lost that designation if it has Miron speaking for it...unless these are Miron's personal views and not those of Cato.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Miron

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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2018, 06:22:42 pm »
Quote from: Applewood on August 01, 2018, 06:09:34 pm
I don't know this guy, so I looked him up on Wikipedia.  He's a libertarian, not a conservative.  Libertarians I believe are mostly open borders types.  If Cato is supposed to be conservative, then it lost that designation if it has Miron speaking for it...unless these are Miron's personal views and not those of Cato.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Miron

I'd always figured the Cato Institute was more libertarians than the Heritage foundation, for what it's worth.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2018, 06:25:17 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on August 01, 2018, 01:25:07 pm
"And if we happen to be wrong, oh well..."

If Cato made such a suggestion without first insisting on a complete overhaul of the welfare system they need to immediately lose their status as a "think tank dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peace." because they are for none of those things.

I agree with that. 
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2018, 06:38:52 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on August 01, 2018, 01:25:07 pm
"And if we happen to be wrong, oh well..."

If Cato made such a suggestion without first insisting on a complete overhaul of the welfare system they need to immediately lose their status as a "think tank dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peace." because they are for none of those things.

I really doubt that these open-border putzes care anything about America's "welfare system".  If anything, they seek to destroy it.... right along with the entire nation.... a la Cloward-Piven style.  And if the rats get control back in Congress.... and/or in the White House....

and they will, eventually...

it could very well happen.....despite our best efforts to stop it.   I see the handscribbling on the wall.  They (the radical left/commies) aren't going to stop or give up.  Our generation will die off, their spawn will be spouting Ocasio-Cortez-type BS and will be believing it.   I'm afraid I know how this ends (See: Venezuela).

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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2018, 06:43:02 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on August 01, 2018, 06:25:17 pm
I agree with that.

The Cato Institute just serves to illustrate the fact that some libertarians have really, really bad judgment in some areas.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2018, 06:47:32 pm »
Quote from: the_doc on August 01, 2018, 06:43:02 pm
The Cato Institute just serves to illustrate the fact that some libertarians have really, really bad judgment in some areas.

Ain't that the truth.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2018, 06:50:23 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on August 01, 2018, 06:25:17 pm
I agree with that.

Open borders equals either one of two societal results - authoritarianism or anarchy.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2018, 06:58:09 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on August 01, 2018, 06:50:23 pm
Open borders equals either one of two societal results - authoritarianism or anarchy.

Are there any examples of first-world open borders countries before the great Merkleation in Europe?  What would that even look like?
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2018, 07:10:49 pm »
Quote from: corbe on August 01, 2018, 05:56:50 pm
   Trump Admin leaking this $hit to Trumpbart because the Koch Brothers have decided to not blindly support GOP candidates in the Midterms. 
   #Fake News and probably commie pinko's to boot.

Hey Jackson. If you would bother to stay informed you would know that the Cocks have been open borders pimps for years.

https://immigrationreform.com/2014/05/02/memo-to-harry-reid-the-koch-brothers-are-bankrolling-pro-amnesty-lobby-effort/
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2018, 07:13:20 pm »
   My name's Mark, not Jackson @Frank Cannon

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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2018, 07:25:28 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 01, 2018, 01:43:42 pm
Although I agree with them on a lot of issues, this is one of the several reasons I cannot call myself a Libertarian.
libertairians with brains, say open borders ONLY work in the absence of welfare states.

Sweden is a good example. Prosperity and white guilt, led them to turn to in-migration to replace citizens and workers.


Eventually no amount of goodwill towards the less fortunate on other continents, accounts for feeding, housing, educating, medicating, policing violence prone 3rd world primitives.
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2018, 07:25:32 pm »
Several observations:
* The Precepts of Conservatism evolved from the Natural Law,
which was born in the cradle of civilization, the Fertile Crescent.
* Libertarianism was a faddish extension of the French Enlightenment
slogan, " Liberte' " which exalted freedom above all virtue, including
principle. The have and never had anything in common.
* Cato is another DC Establishment blatherer which follows the money
from its donor class.
* The Koch's are the essence of crony capitalism which the wise
Adam Smith warned about. For them it will always be about the
money, never about principle.
* Open borders equates to no borders, the driver behind the virtually
continuous European warfare from the Fall of Rome to the
Treaty of Westphalia in 1648. From that emerged the governing
principle of Sovereign Right!
 
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Re: Koch-Backed CATO Institute: ‘Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders’
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2018, 07:25:54 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on August 01, 2018, 06:58:09 pm
Are there any examples of first-world open borders countries before the great Merkleation in Europe?  What would that even look like?

I'm pretty sure no western country has gone full open borders - yet - but France is well down that road so I'm pretty sure it'd look something like


And there's Sweden


And of course there's UK, which won't allow use of images of whats going on there.
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