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Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« on: July 30, 2018, 06:01:19 pm »
Seriously Rudy, shut up.  888mouth

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President Donald Trump's attorney, Rudolph Giuliani, asserted Monday that "collusion is not a crime."
"I have been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime," Giuliani said in an interview on "Fox & Friends." "Collusion is not a crime."
The president has repeatedly asserted that there was "no collusion" between his campaign and Russia during the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As recently as Sunday, the president took to Twitter to repeat the claim.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/30/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-collusion-is-not-a-crime.html


https://www.justsecurity.org/41593/hiding-plain-sight-federal-campaign-finance-law-trump-campaign-collusion-russia-trump/
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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2018, 09:44:12 pm »
I think it's pretty much a given that Rudy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but what is the point of this piece beyond the writer being desperate for ink space?

Rudy didn't do more than state the obvious here. Yawn.

I've seen Velveeta ads with more tension and conflict in them than this.
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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2018, 11:52:28 pm »
Not a contradiction, just a non-sequitur.  Rudy has not been doing his client any good turns.
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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2018, 11:54:34 pm »
Quote from: To-Whose-Benefit? on July 30, 2018, 09:44:12 pm
I think it's pretty much a given that Rudy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but what is the point of this piece beyond the writer being desperate for ink space?

Rudy didn't do more than state the obvious here. Yawn.

I've seen Velveeta ads with more tension and conflict in them than this.

Agreed.  WTH?
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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2018, 12:02:24 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 30, 2018, 11:54:34 pm
Agreed.  WTH?

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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2018, 12:04:39 am »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on July 31, 2018, 12:02:24 am
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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2018, 01:24:35 pm »
Somebody get Rudy a dictionary.....


Definition of collusion
   
 : secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose ·acting in collusion with the enemy
 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion
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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2018, 01:52:30 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 30, 2018, 11:52:28 pm
Not a contradiction, just a non-sequitur.  Rudy has not been doing his client any good turns.

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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2018, 01:58:56 pm »
This has been said for months and months by various people, "collusion is not a crime". We will see if this current situation has a new wrinkle.
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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2018, 02:08:36 pm »
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https://apnews.com/3eb241f5117646b883d7ee6d68b3e193

AP FACT CHECK: Collusion not a crime? Not exactly the point.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump denies any “collusion” with the Russians, while his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says it’s not even a crime. Case closed? Not exactly.

Giuliani is right that the term “collusion” isn’t a precise one when it comes to U.S. law. But that doesn’t change the potential legal fallout stemming from the Russia investigation, which could touch on laws against computer hacking, election fraud and conspiracy against the United States.

A look at the buzz term “collusion” and what we’re really talking about:

More at link above.
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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2018, 02:11:21 pm »
Quote from: edpc on July 31, 2018, 01:24:35 pm
Somebody get Rudy a dictionary.....


Definition of collusion
   
 : secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose ·acting in collusion with the enemy
 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion

Not to mention, it falls under Campaign Finance Laws, so specifically, IF any of this is true (and they sure do seem to be moving the goalposts that direction), it is a very specific crime. (and yes, the Hillary camp would also be guilty).

https://www.justsecurity.org/41593/hiding-plain-sight-federal-campaign-finance-law-trump-campaign-collusion-russia-trump/

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Re: Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2018, 02:19:45 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on July 31, 2018, 02:08:36 pm

...conspiracy against the United States

More at link above.

“conspiracy against the United States?” Ha, good luck with that.
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