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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2018, 03:03:19 pm »
Show me a poll where Independents, Dems women, and Millennials aren't oversampled in some way, and I might believe in the Blue Wave.

Until that happens, I'm inclined to believe in the one-fingered Red Wave.

You’re correct about sampling error. Few pollsters weigh republicans and republican leaning correctly which always results in democrat skewed findings. Case in point, the 2016 election. Fortunately, Madam President was a nightmare averted thanks to Donald Trump’s decision to give this president thing a try.  happy77

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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2018, 03:05:47 pm »
You’re correct about sampling error. Few pollsters weigh republicans and republican leaning correctly which always results in democrat skewed findings. Case in point, the 2016 election. Fortunately, Madam President was a nightmare averted thanks to Donald Trump’s decision to give this president thing a try.  happy77

They can't figure out why we lie in the answers to the poll ?'s either. 
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2018, 03:18:55 pm »
They can't figure out why we lie in the answers to the poll ?'s either.

Or we hang up on them.

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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2018, 04:50:56 pm »
Because I like most of what he's done so far doesn't make him my "hero", it earns him my support. But I think I understand why you must characterize him as such.

I didn't think he'd win. And if he won I didn't think he'd be as conservative as he's been.

I was wrong. Since I was wrong I think its silly to presume to offer him advice on how to behave now.

Make sense?

I suppose it does.

If I take out the word "hero" and ask the question again, why is it that you believe Trump cannot control the things that make him seem so unattractive to the majority of Americans?

I'm not asking why you think he doesn't or shouldn't have to, but why you think he is unable to make such simple changes by using a bit of self control?  He's obviously convinced you that he's a good leader, so why not believe he can act like one?

(Serious question).

btw, you spend a whole heck of a lot of time on this forum praising him, so I didn't think using "hero" was all that much of a stretch.  You're clearly impressed by him, otherwise you wouldn't be defending pretty much everything he does here.
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2018, 05:01:39 pm »
The Wall was Trumps biggest issue. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan say "maybe next year". Leadership
in congress is trying to lose. Make this elections about border security and there will be a red wave
not a blue wave.

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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2018, 11:09:02 pm »
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2018, 11:22:11 pm »
I suppose it does.

If I take out the word "hero" and ask the question again, why is it that you believe Trump cannot control the things that make him seem so unattractive to the majority of Americans?

I'm not asking why you think he doesn't or shouldn't have to, but why you think he is unable to make such simple changes by using a bit of self control?  He's obviously convinced you that he's a good leader, so why not believe he can act like one?

(Serious question).

btw, you spend a whole heck of a lot of time on this forum praising him, so I didn't think using "hero" was all that much of a stretch.  You're clearly impressed by him, otherwise you wouldn't be defending pretty much everything he does here.

Why insist on making this about me?

Rasmussen has him at 50% popularity. Who cares whether I (or you) agree with how he's doing his job.



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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2018, 11:43:21 pm »
Why insist on making this about me?

Rasmussen has him at 50% popularity. Who cares whether I (or you) agree with how he's doing his job.

I'm not making it about you.  You're a very rational person whom I respect, and I'm curious about why you think Trump can't change if it would make him more popular.

It's just a question that I thought you might be willing to answer, that's all.......

Sorry to bother you.   :shrug:
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2018, 11:52:02 pm »
I'm not making it about you.  You're a very rational person whom I respect, and I'm curious about why you think Trump can't change if it would make him more popular. 

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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2018, 12:56:55 pm »
Either way, repubs need to be making more noise about dangers to the economy of a dem takeover. Even if it doesn't save the midterms, it gives them more ammunition going into 2020 to blame every economic hiccup on dem obstruction.
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2018, 01:14:42 pm »
Either way, repubs need to be making more noise about dangers to the economy of a dem takeover. Even if it doesn't save the midterms, it gives them more ammunition going into 2020 to blame every economic hiccup on dem obstruction.

Should there be a Democrat wave, and Trump becomes the only thing standing in the way of nonsense like Medicare for all, Universal College, and government jobs for all, that may be all he needs to do.

Blaming the other party doesn’t work except for a party’s base
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2018, 02:14:09 pm »
Should there be a Democrat wave, and Trump becomes the only thing standing in the way of nonsense like Medicare for all, Universal College, and government jobs for all, that may be all he needs to do.

Blaming the other party doesn’t work except for a party’s base

Seems to me that blaming the other party is the main if not only thing that got Clinton & 0bama reelected...
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2018, 02:17:35 pm »
Either way, repubs need to be making more noise about dangers to the economy of a dem takeover. Even if it doesn't save the midterms, it gives them more ammunition going into 2020 to blame every economic hiccup on dem obstruction.

I think Trump already is.  Hell, I just saw him 'warn' folks at one of his rallies about the "face" of the Dem Party now.   It's a horrid, terrifying face to behold!   



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Think of it in terms of the radical left (Democratic Party) fundamentally transforming the entire nation into the same cesspool as San Francisco, Chicago, Detroit and various sanctuary cities in California.  A nation-wide Venezuelan utopia, if you will.  We can't let that happen.  I said I would never do it again, but I changed my mind... considering the alternative.  I plan to hold my nose and vote straight GOP.... again.

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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2018, 02:17:49 pm »
Seems to me that blaming the other party is the main if not only thing that got Clinton & 0bama reelected...

Clinton got re elected because of a strong economy.  That election was over before it even started

Obama had a strong base of support in 2012 but he actually lost the votes from 2008. But those votes did not go to Romney and Romney  couldn’t fire much passion in his base like Obama did
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2018, 02:23:08 pm »
I'm not making it about you.  You're a very rational person whom I respect, and I'm curious about why you think Trump can't change if it would make him more popular.

It's just a question that I thought you might be willing to answer, that's all.......

Sorry to bother you.   :shrug:

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Sorry if I misconstrued your tone - always a risk during online conversations...

I don't think he'll change because I believe he deems his tone by & large successful. There have been things he's said & tweeted I'm sure he wishes he could take back, and he has dialed back a bit since the election, but with most of his controversial comments, in spite of all the teeth gnashing & garment rending, he believes he's achieving results.

And IMO he believes that his popularity will grow as he gets results. It appears thats exactly what happening - people may dislike his style and may withhold their support, but more will appreciate the fact he's finally moving the ball forward.





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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2018, 02:27:37 pm »
Clinton got re elected because of a strong economy.  That election was over before it even started

Obama had a strong base of support in 2012 but he actually lost the votes from 2008. But those votes did not go to Romney and Romney  couldn’t fire much passion in his base like Obama did

And.... the strong economy happened because of the GOP control of Congress, which resulted in the Contract With America.... and the balanced budget focus, which a huge majority of Americans agreed with.   Too bad we don't have anyone in the GOP 'now' that is for that same equation.  It seems all they're interested in is more spending.
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2018, 07:49:08 pm »
. . . . and the balanced budget focus, which a huge majority of Americans agreed with.   Too bad we don't have anyone in the GOP 'now' that is for that same equation.  It seems all they're interested in is more spending.

That's simply not true.  There are still deficit hawks among the ranks of GOP governors, including folks like John Kasich.   But conservatives on the internet mock GOP governors who necessarily make compromises in order to govern effectively and within budgetary constraints.   Today's conservatives are mostly obsessed with either uncompromising ideological purity or religious cultural matters, while the Trump supporters have their own set of nativist/cultural concerns which aren't traditionally conservative at all. 

No way that an old-style deficit hawk could get the Presidential nomination of today's Republican Party.   Thankfully, they still exist at the state level.     
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2018, 08:54:24 pm »
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Sorry if I misconstrued your tone - always a risk during online conversations...

I don't think he'll change because I believe he deems his tone by & large successful. There have been things he's said & tweeted I'm sure he wishes he could take back, and he has dialed back a bit since the election, but with most of his controversial comments, in spite of all the teeth gnashing & garment rending, he believes he's achieving results.

And IMO he believes that his popularity will grow as he gets results. It appears thats exactly what happening - people may dislike his style and may withhold their support, but more will appreciate the fact he's finally moving the ball forward.

A plausible answer.  There's got to be some reason he's continuing to irritate people (quite a few Republicans, or like me, former Republicans).

I'd like to assume his motives are honorable, but I haven't seen much honorable in him, so I'm dubious at best.

(btw, understand the problem interpreting tone.  It's almost impossible when reading only in black and white, especially when you're coming from a different perspective).
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Re: Why a Democratic Wave Looks Likely.. By Jay Cost
« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2018, 10:06:28 pm »
I'm not seeing it either but the media and pundits sure want us to believe a blue wave is coming..and I am including conservative pundits as well

I agree with you and @Sanguine.  The prospects for a blue wave are just fake news.

The poor dolts in the media act like they don't have the foggiest idea of what is coming.  But I'll bet quite a few of them do know--and are trying to talk it out of existence.