The 10 Most Destructive Americans of My 8 Decades

[DCPatriot]

A serious question: Is there a nation in Europe, or a State in our Union, that has done the requisite "shuttering?"


I just heard a commentator on the radio, note that governments at all levels, enact scores of laws, which overtime stay on the books, yet go unenforced.

In turn he stated that situation contributes to loss of respect for "rule of law," and for government in general.

Caught a bad case of that when I noticed my own county and state governments not only not enforce immigration laws, but conspired with organized groups to shelter and feed them...suddenly they constructed portable class rooms on every campus.

Took the attitude...if you can't beat them join them.   

[Emjay]

Thank you, MOD!

Yes.  What are the 3 things people are not supposed to discuss?  Seems like it's sex, politics and religion (the things people are really interested in)

I'm sure the Civil War is on the list somewhere.  MOD saved me from posting a long tale about a great grandfather which would have bored the hell out of everybody.

[Wingnut]

We can talk about sex. 

[truth_seeker]

I'm sure the Civil War is on the list somewhere.  MOD saved me from posting a long tale about a great grandfather which would have bored the hell out of everybody.

I'll go.  I have a GGG uncle, who migrated from New Brunswick Canada, with his older brother and wife, in 1856. Settled near Minneapolis.


Went to Wisconsin or Michigan, joined Union forces. His Baptistt faith opposed slavery.

He was blinded in battle, held POW, exchanged and returned home, to marry his fiancée and live out his days in Anoka Minn.

"Samuel Patterson Starrett
Source: History of Anoka County and the Towns of Champlin and Dayton in Hennepin County, Minnesota, by Albert M. Goodrich (1905) Transcribed by A. Newell.

Samuel Patterson S..... was born Sept. 27, 1835, at Caledonia, N. B., and came to Minnesota in 1856, settling at Monticello, where he farmed for four years, and went to the copper country at Lake Superior. He enlisted for the Civil War in the First Michigan Volunteer Infantry, and served thirteen months. He was shot through the head and lost his eyesight in battle, was taken prisoner and retained at Libby Prison for a time. He was soon after exchanged and discharged and returned to Michigan, where he was nursed back to health and strength. Again he returned to Monticello, where he was married June 2, 1863, to Jane L. J.... of that place, the girl who remained faithful to vows made before the sad affliction. The couple spent three years in Michigan, but removed to Anoka in 1866. Mr. S.... was appointed postmaster Feb. 4, 1868, and served nearly five years. Children: Fannie A., Carrie L. (Mrs. F. A. Piper, Minneapolis), and Alice M. "

http://genealogytrails.com/minn/anoka/bios-p.html

[Suppressed]

John Dewey should have been on this list.

[Bigun]

John Dewey should have been on this list.

When did he depart this world?

[Fishrrman]

I don't know if J. F'n Kerry should be at the top of the list, but there is something I can say about him:

John Kerry:
A traitor in war, a traitor in peace, and a traitor to the hearts of his countrymen...

[Suppressed]

When did he depart this world?

Early 50s.  He fits well within the 80-year limit, unlike Woodrow Wilson.

[Bigun]

Early 50s.  He fits well within the 80-year limit, unlike Woodrow Wilson.

Well he definitely did enough to be on the list IMHO.

[Hoodat]

Gee, all ten are Democrats.  I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

[dfwgator]

Well he definitely did enough to be on the list IMHO.

We're still suffering from the after-effects of the Wilson Presidency.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm pretty pissed at C.A. Arthur for creating the "Civil Service" cocoon that has enabled the army of bureaucrats to eat out our substance.  But you're right, Wilson was probably in the top ten of rotten Presidents.  Thank Goodness the Senate had the good sense to refuse admission to the foolish LoN.

If you would put Wilson on the list, don't leave out this guy: Edward Mandell house

[Smokin Joe]

@INVAR

I highly doubt we are going to abolish the forms to which we have become accustomed.  Such is history and human nature, and a very rare thing that happens.

Either we get back to the basics and abolish those forms, or they will, in time, abolish us.

[Smokin Joe]

Nope!  One hell of a lot of people hold that opinion including myself.

Ditto. And when the dust had settled, we no longer had a Federal Government, but a National Government.

[Smokin Joe]

A serious question: Is there a nation in Europe, or a State in our Union, that has done the requisite "shuttering?"


I just heard a commentator on the radio, note that governments at all levels, enact scores of laws, which overtime stay on the books, yet go unenforced.

In turn he stated that situation contributes to loss of respect for "rule of law," and for government in general.

Keep in mind that a lot of Federal Laws have either required States to legislate in a particular manner, or made funding conditional on such legislation. Unfunded mandates abound.

[Bigun]

We're still suffering from the after-effects of the Wilson Presidency.

Definitely and grossly so!

[Bigun]

If you would put Wilson on the list, don't leave out this guy: Edward Mandell house

I wouldn't leave anyone associated with the Wilson administration out personally!  Edward Bernays in particular!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

[INVAR]

Either we get back to the basics and abolish those forms, or they will, in time, abolish us.

Few actually allow themselves to consider that.  We are invincible in their minds apparently, except when a Democrat is running for high office - then the nation's survival is at stake.

But foundational principles as 'basics'?  Nah, we don't need 'em they tell us. 

Heck, just had a member here argue with me that it is absolutely necessary for Trump to lie to the American people, in order to 'keep us safe'.

[Smokin Joe]

Few actually allow themselves to consider that.  We are invincible in their minds apparently, except when a Democrat is running for high office - then the nation's survival is at stake.

But foundational principles as 'basics'?  Nah, we don't need 'em they tell us. 

Heck, just had a member here argue with me that it is absolutely necessary for Trump to lie to the American people, in order to 'keep us safe'.

I really don't see departure from the seminal principles of our republic as keeping anything but a few specific and narrow interests "safe". If we discard our true national identity, we are not the nation that was founded, but something else. Considering that we were indeed blessed with a rare group of men who placed the welfare of their posterity above and beyond their personal interests, pledging their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to that cause and often divested of he former two as a result, they retained that honor in creating a unique and wonderful Republic. As those principles are discarded, with rare exception, the result is not improvement, but decay, and the rot has been growing.
If the body is to continue to exit or even flourish, the rot, the corruption, needs to be removed so it can heal. Discarding principle, however, is the equivalent of cutting away the healthy flesh and keeping the rot.

[INVAR]

If we discard our true national identity, we are not the nation that was founded, but something else.

Sadly, even self-identifying Conservatives have conceded that we have moved past what we were founded to be, and need to move forward, and stop looking backwards.  To quote a Republican Party Hack justifying Big Government Liberalism, deficit spending, abortion and homosexual marriage.

[Emjay]

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Oh, I've got so many from my genealogy, but I just want to say that the sickening numbers of casualties from the War Between the States does not tell the whole story.

Your ancestor was blinded.  Mine was rendered deaf from cannon fire and died young probably from the war.

[Bigun]

@TomSea

Two things:

!. Never try to put words in my mouth that I never said.


2. You STILL don't know what the hell you are taking about and insist on displaying the fact!

[Axeslinger]

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@Axeslinger, please refer to my comment upthread:

Please stick to the topic.  This is not a thread about the Civil War, nor the relative morality of the two sides.  Further comments along those lines will be deleted in whole.

[Slide Rule]

For body count Margret Sanger is a top 10.

:)

[Smokin Joe]

Actually, I think John Roberts belongs, too.  In the unConstitutional rewriting of legislation, he managed to allow the ACA (Obamacare) to stand, costing millions of Americans their health insurance, and countless dollars in costs incurred by not only those who had to pay out of pocket for health care, but the countless dollars more it cost those with insurance to keep it. Neither the economic damage nor human cost can be assessed, and it is ongoing despite some tepid efforts to mitigate some of the damage.