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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2018, 08:27:05 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 22, 2018, 07:45:31 pm
...because we all know that the Obama hacks were fired January 20, 2017.  Nice spin there.


Judges approve the warrant, not the Intel people who submitted it.  Nice whiff.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2018, 08:34:04 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 22, 2018, 07:11:04 pm
Odd... @edpc   If I were going to post a few words from this article, I would have chosen these:


Of course you would.  The key is the WSJ material, which I would have directly posted, if it wasn't behind a paywall.  So, I took it from a source that wasn't Slate, Mother Jones, or some other leftist site.  Considering the WSJ has broken stories on this admin like the Cohen payout and those parties were subsequently caught in lie after lie, I'll take my chances with their unnamed source over the word of this administration or the hopeful musings of a glorified blog.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2018, 08:38:21 pm »
Quote from: edpc on July 22, 2018, 08:27:05 pm

Judges approve the warrant, not the Intel people who submitted it.  Nice whiff.

Whiff yourself.  Those were the same Judges as during Obastard's rein of terror.  Same judges, same Obastard bureaucrats.  Please, I'm already on to your worship of anything that can bring down the President you didn't want. It's why you have a shrine in your living room dedicated to Bob Mueller.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2018, 08:43:17 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 22, 2018, 08:38:21 pm
Whiff yourself.  Those were the same Judges as during Obastard's rein of terror.  Same judges, same Obastard bureaucrats.  Please, I'm already on to your worship of anything that can bring down the President you didn't want.


Again.....all Republican appointed.  Haven't we already established your secondhand legal acumen really sucks?  Besides, I thought you once whined like a preteen to keep you out of 'my crusade.'
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2018, 08:46:38 pm »
Quote from: edpc on July 22, 2018, 08:43:17 pm

Again.....all Republican appointed.   

As if that makes a difference.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2018, 08:50:00 pm »
Quote from: edpc on July 22, 2018, 08:43:17 pm

Again.....all Republican appointed.  Haven't we already established your secondhand legal acumen really sucks?  Besides, I thought you once whined like a preteen to keep you out of 'my crusade.'

We've established you call me shitty things, even when I've admitted I have been misled by published articles and said you were correct.  That makes you look about six inches tall.  What really leaves a lot to be desired is your inability to see that, and continue to bash people as "stupid." 

And as for your Crusade, that's really more your problem than mine for pointing it out to the world, you tit-<<Nope>>.  I merely informed you one time that you can go bash somebody else. 

I am sorry...you aren't six inches tall...you're a two-incher.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2018, 08:51:25 pm »
Quote from: dfwgator on July 22, 2018, 08:46:38 pm
As if that makes a difference.


Keep that in mind as Kavanaugh and Gorsuch sit on SCOTUS after being elevated from Appeals Court positions appointed under Bush 43.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2018, 11:12:56 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 22, 2018, 03:58:32 pm
"What does James Comey, James Clapper and John Brennan have on Marco Rubio?"
maybe he and Barry partied together.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2018, 12:24:38 am »
Quote from: edpc on July 22, 2018, 08:34:04 pm

Of course you would.  The key is the WSJ material, which I would have directly posted, if it wasn't behind a paywall.  So, I took it from a source that wasn't Slate, Mother Jones, or some other leftist site.  Considering the WSJ has broken stories on this admin like the Cohen payout and those parties were subsequently caught in lie after lie, I'll take my chances with their unnamed source over the word of this administration or the hopeful musings of a glorified blog.

But you still missed the important part.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2018, 12:25:27 am »
Quote from: edpc on July 22, 2018, 08:43:17 pm

Again.....all Republican appointed.  Haven't we already established your secondhand legal acumen really sucks?  Besides, I thought you once whined like a preteen to keep you out of 'my crusade.'

What's the name of the judge who signed the original FISA warrant request?
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2018, 12:46:39 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 23, 2018, 12:25:27 am
What's the name of the judge who signed the original FISA warrant request?

I've decided to not argue with Aholes who troll me, even when they're not losing an argument.  I'm sure his first-class legal acumen will proved him an excuse to deflect your request.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2018, 12:57:06 am »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on July 22, 2018, 03:11:19 pm
We have a bunch of Obama hacks signing off on on a bullshit warrant way before anyone was talking about Russians just so they could get their nose into an opponents campaign. It's proof of Obama corruption.

SO????????

Not a damn thing is gonna be done about it, except to bitch, moan and whine via Twitter and on political boards like this.

We might as well fart in a hurricane wind gust for all the good it is gonna do.

Most of these Commie agents, saboteurs and a whole slew of cretins steeped in villainy we have not even heard of yet are embedded in lifelong career positions in the Alphabets to ensure this kind of thing is now the new normal when it comes to politics and elections.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2018, 12:57:51 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 23, 2018, 12:46:39 am
I've decided to not argue with Aholes who troll me, even when they're not losing an argument.  I'm sure his first-class legal acumen will proved him an excuse to deflect your request.

Good plan.

It just muddies the waters focusing on the judges ... as though a judge appointed by a republican can't be lied to.

I want all redactions removed so we can determine the degree of lying and omissions and suspect evidence in the requests for (4) FISA warrants.  And I want to know why four different judges were needed.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2018, 01:06:45 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 23, 2018, 12:57:51 am
Good plan.

It just muddies the waters focusing on the judges ... as though a judge appointed by a republican can't be lied to.

I want all redactions removed so we can determine the degree of lying and omissions and suspect evidence in the requests for (4) FISA warrants.  And I want to know why four different judges were needed.

As one of the TeeVee commentators noted (McCarthy?), the Judges have a responsibility to not be rubber stamps.  Yes, the FBI is guilty of misleading the Judges to get the warrant and extensions, but the Judge has a responsibility to examine what's put in front of him/her.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2018, 01:10:32 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 23, 2018, 01:06:45 am
As one of the TeeVee commentators noted (McCarthy?), the Judges have a responsibility to not be rubber stamps.  Yes, the FBI is guilty of misleading the Judges to get the warrant and extensions, but the Judge has a responsibility to examine what's put in front of him/her.

Then the judges, each of them, will have some 'splaining to do, too.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2018, 01:11:54 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 23, 2018, 01:06:45 am
As one of the TeeVee commentators noted (McCarthy?), the Judges have a responsibility to not be rubber stamps.  Yes, the FBI is guilty of misleading the Judges to get the warrant and extensions, but the Judge has a responsibility to examine what's put in front of him/her.

I find it odd.... that none of the judges apparently wondered why the FBI had gone to different judges.  If nothing else, wouldn't the last/fourth judge have been curious about that?  Unless.....
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2018, 01:47:24 am »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 23, 2018, 01:11:54 am
I find it odd.... that none of the judges apparently wondered why the FBI had gone to different judges.  If nothing else, wouldn't the last/fourth judge have been curious about that?  Unless.....

I really don't know about that.  It might be standard procedure to rotate the Judges.  Another case of my legal acumen getting in the way, I s'pose. :shrug:
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2018, 01:54:46 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 23, 2018, 01:10:32 am
Then the judges, each of them, will have some 'splaining to do, too.

This is a black eye for the entire FISA system.  The Judge relies on the honesty of the FBI, and the FBI relies on the Judge maintaining silence for national security.  The FBI deceived the Judges, so even a sharp judge would probably have fallen for it.  All the Judge maintaining silence has done was cover the FBI's rear end.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2018, 02:26:38 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 23, 2018, 12:57:51 am
Good plan.

It just muddies the waters focusing on the judges ... as though a judge appointed by a republican can't be lied to.

I want all redactions removed so we can determine the degree of lying and omissions and suspect evidence in the requests for (4) FISA warrants.  And I want to know why four different judges were needed.



It’s inevitable they would have different judges. The FISA court rotates on a regular basis. Depending on when the next submission comes in, the same judges wouldn’t necessarily be in the rotation.  Judges serve for 77 days in their FISA duty and the warrants last for 90 days.
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Re: First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2018, 02:28:11 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 23, 2018, 12:24:38 am
But you still missed the important part.


Not really. The WSJ article has a source, though anonymous. The treehouse article is just a WAG.  Turns out, the Journal was right.


Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 23, 2018, 12:25:27 am
What's the name of the judge who signed the original FISA warrant request?


Rosemary Collyer.  She was appointed by Bush 43 in Nov 2002.  Roberts appointed her to FISA in 2013.  You'll find her signature on pg 83.  The others were Raymond Dearie (Reagan), Anne Conway (Bush 41) and Michael Mosman (Bush 43). 

Four judges and not one of them named Contreras.  So much for this bullshit....

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/12/07/federal-fisa-judge-recuses-himself-from-michael-flynn-case/
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