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Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« on: July 21, 2018, 12:20:38 pm »
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/20/confession-of-a-no-longer-russiagate-skeptic-219022
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When I wrote, back in February, that I was skeptical that President Donald Trump would ever be proved to have secretly colluded with Russia to sway the 2016 election in his favor, I mistyped.

What I meant to write was that I wasn’t skeptical.

Last week’s events have nullified my previous skepticism. To recap: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein revealed indictments against 12 Russians for the hacks of the Democratic National Committee, and we learned that Russian hackers went after Hillary Clinton’s private office for the first time on the very day Trump said, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.” At the NATO summit in Brussels, Trump attacked a close European ally—Germany—and generally questioned the value of the alliance. Next, he visited the United Kingdom and trashed Prime Minister Theresa May. Then, in Helsinki, he met with Vladimir Putin privately for two hours, with no U.S. officials present other than a translator. After this suspicious meeting, he sang the Russian strongman’s praises at a news conference at which he said he viewed Putin’s denials on a par with the unanimous and unchallenged conclusions of America’s intelligence agencies.

With every other world leader, the physically imposing Trump attempts to dominate—witness his alpha-male handshakes with French President Emanuel Macron or his flamboyant man-spreading next to German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Yet with the diminutive Putin—who is maybe 5 feet, 6 inches tall—he’s oddly submissive. During the public portion of their encounter, Trump was slumping in his chair, as if defeated. Why? Why did he insist on a one-on-one meeting with Putin in the first place?

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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2018, 12:26:23 pm »
Quote from: Once-Ler on July 21, 2018, 12:20:38 pm
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/20/confession-of-a-no-longer-russiagate-skeptic-219022
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Uh.... Trump slumped?  When?  Where?  (pics or it didn't happen)

I suspect this is yet another hyper-biased bit of leftist BS.

Ho-frickin-hum.

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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2018, 12:33:49 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 21, 2018, 12:26:23 pm
Uh.... Trump slumped?  When?  Where?  (pics or it didn't happen)

I suspect this is yet another hyper-biased bit of leftist BS.

Ho-frickin-hum.

Let's see...Trump/Putin collusion v. Hillary's Uranium One, Mueller, Rosenstein/Putin.

Perhaps Putin has 'played' them both, or perhaps the MSM and DOJ buried the truth.
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2018, 12:35:20 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on July 21, 2018, 12:33:49 pm
Let's see...Trump/Putin collusion v. Hillary's Uranium One, Mueller, Rosenstein/Putin.

Perhaps Putin has 'played' them both, or perhaps the MSM and DOJ buried the truth.

Or perhaps everybody is playing everybody and therefore, everybody is getting 'played'.  The mind boggles, eh?   :silly:
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2018, 12:50:37 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 21, 2018, 12:35:20 pm
Or perhaps everybody is playing everybody and therefore, everybody is getting 'played'.  The mind boggles, eh?   :silly:

Uranium One, Clinton/Putin/Rosenstein, all the e-mails and evidence are buried.  There is so much focus right now on Trump and Putin that the Clinton's involvement with Russia is forgotten.

The question still remain for me, WHY did Trump appoint Rosenstein?  Was he really that clueless?
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2018, 01:09:59 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on July 21, 2018, 12:50:37 pm
Uranium One, Clinton/Putin/Rosenstein, all the e-mails and evidence are buried.  There is so much focus right now on Trump and Putin that the Clinton's involvement with Russia is forgotten.

The question still remain for me, WHY did Trump appoint Rosenstein?  Was he really that clueless?

When it comes to gauging people's integrity and intentions, I think Trump's boast re: "we will only hire the best" was pure BS.   Witness, for instance, the literal revolving door that has been ongoing for the past year and a half among his staff and appointments.  So... yeah.  I believe he was...and still is... 'that clueless'... when it comes to hiring ""the best"".
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2018, 01:13:18 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 21, 2018, 01:09:59 pm
When it comes to gauging people's integrity and intentions, I think Trump's boast re: "we will only hire the best" was pure BS.   Witness, for instance, the literal revolving door that has been ongoing for the past year and a half among his staff and appointments.  So... yeah.  I believe he was...and still is... 'that clueless'... when it comes to hiring ""the best"".

Not that being clueless makes me feel any better, but certainly better than intentional with ulterior motives; namely burying the Clinton corruption.
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2018, 01:13:32 pm »
Trump is so 'solicitous' to Putin that he's sent formerly withheld arms to the Ukraine and U.S. troops to boot.
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2018, 01:19:21 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on July 21, 2018, 01:13:18 pm
Not that being clueless makes me feel any better, but certainly better than intentional with ulterior motives; namely burying the Clinton corruption.

Yep.  I believe.... if Trump could fire Rosenstein and Mueller (and Sessions) right now, with no repercussions, he would.  But they have him situationally ham-strung....quite intentionally so.

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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2018, 01:49:09 pm »
"Facts are piling up"

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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2018, 01:59:55 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 21, 2018, 01:49:09 pm
"Facts are piling up"

 :happyhappy:

For a minute there, I thought the article was satire.  Nope.... they meant it as serious!  The last sentence was what almost fooled me...

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"Maybe, just maybe, he can’t admit that Moscow tried to put him in the Oval Office because he’s under strict instructions not to."

Kind of ironic, considering the "facts are piling up" shtick....lol.
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2018, 02:02:12 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 21, 2018, 01:59:55 pm
For a minute there, I thought the article was satire.  Nope.... they meant it as serious!  The last sentence was what almost fooled me...

Kind of ironic, considering the "facts are piling up" shtick....lol.

Its the new standard in editorializing. Settle on a conclusion then make sh*t up to support it.

Hell, thats the new standard in news reporting too.
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2018, 02:06:23 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 21, 2018, 02:02:12 pm
Its the new standard in editorializing. Settle on a conclusion then make sh*t up to support it.

Hell, thats the new standard in news reporting too.

But... it's not really all that "new"... is it?   Remember Rathergate's fake but accurate TANG memo?

Nah, these idiots have been at this game for decades.   It has, however, just recently been perfected .... as you correctly stated....as "the new standard in editorializing".   They're out of the commie closet and they don't care.... they're letting it all hang out (pardon the nauseating imagery)...

and are settling on this new standard for evah.

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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2018, 02:14:21 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 21, 2018, 02:06:23 pm
But... it's not really all that "new"... is it?   Remember Rathergate's fake but accurate TANG memo?

Nah, these idiots have been at this game for decades.   It has, however, just recently been perfected .... as you correctly stated....as "the new standard in editorializing".   They're out of the commie closet and they don't care.... they're letting it all hang out (pardon the nauseating imagery)...

and are settling on this new standard for evah.

Yeah its been going on awhile alright. One thing that is different is todays journalists are often astoundingly ignorant.

At least old 'whats the frequency' had a modicum of subtlety and a bit of intelligence.

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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2018, 02:23:21 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 21, 2018, 02:14:21 pm
Yeah its been going on awhile alright. One thing that is different is todays journalists are often astoundingly ignorant.

At least old 'whats the frequency' had a modicum of subtlety and a bit of intelligence.

Good point.  Today's current crop of media morons more closely resemble googly eyes re: intelligence level....and thoroughly indoctrinated mental stability...lol.



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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2018, 02:53:27 pm »
I never liked the straight-out talk on Russia by Trump, I was put to ease some by Rex Tillerson. It is something to watch.

But those who cry wolf about Stormy Daniels or the race card, security at the border lose a bit of their edge when they go off the rails about everything.

I think the Russia-gate skeptics though, need to delve into the situation from all aspects, Obama said "I'll be more flexible after the election", Hillary has all of her deleted emails and uranium one. Perhaps paranoia needs an equal opportunity employer.
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2018, 03:03:12 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on July 21, 2018, 02:53:27 pm
I never liked the straight-out talk on Russia by Trump, I was put to ease some by Rex Tillerson. It is something to watch.

But those who cry wolf about Stormy Daniels or the race card, security at the border lose a bit of their edge when they go off the rails about everything.

I think the Russia-gate skeptics though, need to delve into the situation from all aspects, Obama said "I'll be more flexible after the election", Hillary has all of her deleted emails and uranium one. Perhaps paranoia needs an equal opportunity employer.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4485932/bush-trusts-putin
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2018, 02:19:00 am »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 21, 2018, 02:23:21 pm
Good point.  Today's current crop of media morons more closely resemble googly eyes re: intelligence level....and thoroughly indoctrinated mental stability...lol.



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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2018, 02:36:27 am »
The one question that is never addressed is motive.  Which of the two candidates would serve Russia best?  One that had already proven corrupt and willing to sell out the United States by trading part of America's uranium stockpile for cash donations to a self-serving foundation that could be funneled into campaign cash or even personal use?  Or one who was a self-made billionaire who couldn't be bought?
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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2018, 03:16:50 am »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 21, 2018, 01:59:55 pm
For a minute there, I thought the article was satire.  Nope.... they meant it as serious!  The last sentence was what almost fooled me...


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Re: Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2018, 03:45:59 am »
Blake Hounshell is the editor in chief of POLITICO Magazine.

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