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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2018, 02:43:58 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 20, 2018, 02:23:23 pm
Pass a SINGLE bill (HR25) currently lingering in the House Ways and Means Committee and the problem is permanently solved! Why won't they do that?  Because it takes away their power to manipulate us (social engineering)!

They.... meaning the RINOs in Congress, that is.  Right?  The solution is there.  It's even obvious... to most rational, thinking Americans.  But Congress won't do it.  Which is why we have dysfunctional government.... again.   Even if/when the GOP is in majority control.... we can't get what needs to be done accomplished.  It sucks.
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2018, 02:57:47 pm »
Quote from: Restored on July 20, 2018, 02:37:16 pm
Just so you know. If an iPhone costs $500, it doesn't cost $500 for it to be put together. Much of the cost is R&D and software.


Funny you should mention that product.  Tim Cook has been communicating with Trump over the tariffs.  Cook was also a guest at the Macron state dinner.  There's been some debate as to whether a side deal was made not to place tariffs on Apple products from China.  Navarro says he had "no knowledge" of any deal and Apple declined to comment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/19/white-houses-navarro-on-china-trade-talks-no-knowledge-of-apple-iphone-exemption.html

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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2018, 03:00:19 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 20, 2018, 02:16:01 pm
So, get rid of the job-killing/business-killing regulations, bring back manufacturing to America and offer folks willing to work for a lower salary and benefits a job in manufacturing.  I bet a helluva lot of Americans would be willing to work under that scenario.... especially when presented as a means to get cheaper goods without having to import them.   No?

DeeCee is never going to let go of their power and let that happen.  Never.

Our days as a manufacturing giant are over, unless or until this entire Beast of a government is stripped of what they have become.

And that is not going to happen without a whole lot of bloodshed and misery.  Too much money, too much power and control is in the hands of the fed beast, and they are not going to permit it to be taken from them without a whole lot of hurt.
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2018, 03:01:24 pm »
Quote from: The Ghost on July 20, 2018, 02:17:26 pm
A day without a chinaman's product on the shelves will be a good day!

Welcome to a reality of empty shelves.
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2018, 03:03:17 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 20, 2018, 02:43:58 pm
They.... meaning the RINOs in Congress, that is.  Right?  The solution is there.  It's even obvious... to most rational, thinking Americans.  But Congress won't do it.  Which is why we have dysfunctional government.... again.   Even if/when the GOP is in majority control.... we can't get what needs to be done accomplished.  It sucks.

Swamp dwellers of all stripes!  The current tax system is the basis for their cottage industry, selling favors under the tax code for campaign cash!
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2018, 03:05:35 pm »
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Welcome to a reality of empty shelves.

And what exactly can you not live without?   
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2018, 03:06:51 pm »
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Just so you know. If an iPhone costs $500, it doesn't cost $500 for it to be put together. Much of the cost is R&D and software

I look forward to all the outrageous screaming that is going happen when the cost of a smartphone/cellphone and computers/components/TVs/Gaming consoles are beyond what your average Joe Sixpack can afford with this fun trade war Trump has started with everyone.

I will then remind everyone that they applauded it.

Of course then I fully expect the Trump side to lobby the government to do something to subsidize the consumer and get prices 'lower' again. 

Kinda like when the government tried to lower cable rates.
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2018, 03:07:44 pm »
Quote from: The Ghost on July 20, 2018, 03:05:35 pm
And what exactly can you not live without?

Exactly what Obama, Hillary and Communists will tell us.

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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2018, 03:08:10 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on July 20, 2018, 03:06:51 pm
I look forward to all the outrageous screaming that is going happen when the cost of a smartphone/cellphone and computers/components/TVs/Gaming consoles are beyond what your average Joe Sixpack can afford with this fun trade war Trump has started with everyone.

I will then remind everyone that they applauded it.

Of course then I fully expect the Trump side to lobby the government to do something to subsidize the consumer and get prices 'lower' again. 

Kinda like when the government tried to lower cable rates.

Keep a tight grip on your pearls my man!
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2018, 03:17:27 pm »
Quote from: The Ghost on July 20, 2018, 03:05:35 pm
And what exactly can you not live without?

Have you chosen to make the sacrifice yourself? I assume you are using a cell phone or computer to post here. A vast majority of the components are from China.

Heck, you can't even have something with a Lithium battery without it likely being from China as we don't mine it domestically and there are only a couple of places in the world to get it.

So how about leading by example and discarding all Chinese component products you have, starting with the computer you are on now.

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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2018, 03:21:04 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on July 20, 2018, 03:17:27 pm
Have you chosen to make the sacrifice yourself? I assume you are using a cell phone or computer to post here. A vast majority of the components are from China.

Heck, you can't even have something with a Lithium battery without it likely being from China as we don't mine it domestically and there are only a couple of places in the world to get it.

So how about leading by example and discarding all Chinese component products you have, starting with the computer you are on now.

It's becoming apparent that like the Left, Trump supporters believe that some animals are more equal than others.

You and I must 'do without' to save the country - while they get to enjoy what they want while the rest of us have to do without or pay extra for.
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2018, 03:26:44 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 20, 2018, 03:03:17 pm
Swamp dwellers of all stripes!  The current tax system is the basis for their cottage industry, selling favors under the tax code for campaign cash!

What we really need IMO is someone actually serious about “drain the swamp” in 2020.  Not just someone who uses things like “drain the swamp”, “lock her up”, “Mexico will pay for the wall”, "small government", and “proposing a term limit Constitutional Amendment in the first 100 days” as campaign slogans but someone who is actually willing to use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to push for these type of policies.

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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2018, 03:28:41 pm »
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What we really need IMO is someone actually serious about “drain the swamp” in 2020.  Not just someone who uses things like “drain the swamp”, “lock her up”, “Mexico will pay for the wall”, "small government", and “proposing a term limit Constitutional Amendment in the first 100 days” as campaign slogans but someone who is actually willing to use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to push for these type of policies.

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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2018, 03:32:46 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 20, 2018, 03:28:41 pm
Ted Cruz


I get that, but I also think he'd still be hampered by insiders like McConnell.  When Ted came in, it was on the Tea Party wave.  Those types remaining in Congress have yet to be fully embraced by the party.
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2018, 03:33:01 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 20, 2018, 03:28:41 pm
Ted Cruz

@Bigun  :beer:

I'd not only vote for Ted Cruz, I'd work for his campaign, AND donate to his campaign.  I sure hope he's the Republican nominee in 2020! 

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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2018, 03:33:33 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 20, 2018, 03:28:41 pm
Ted Cruz

Barring an unforseen non-Vatican-sanctioned miracle.... we're never going to get Ted Cruz (as CIC).  Might as well grasp that reality and put the dream to bed.  This right here right now is probably the best we can do and the best it's gonna get..... ie staving off the leftist assault on America, temporarily.   JS....
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2018, 03:39:31 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 20, 2018, 03:33:33 pm
Barring an unforseen non-Vatican-sanctioned miracle.... we're never going to get Ted Cruz (as CIC).  Might as well grasp that reality and put the dream to bed.  This right here right now is probably the best we can do and the best it's gonna get..... ie staving off the leftist assault on America, temporarily.   JS....

Given the rules manipulation at the last Republican National convention, you are likely right unless he opted to run as an independent or third party candidate.
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2018, 03:43:46 pm »
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2018, 03:44:48 pm »
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"Tariffs do very well at protecting the consumer, they protect the consumer from lower prices. " - Milton Freidman.

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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2018, 04:28:52 pm »
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Have you chosen to make the sacrifice yourself? I assume you are using a cell phone or computer to post here. A vast majority of the components are from China.

Heck, you can't even have something with a Lithium battery without it likely being from China as we don't mine it domestically and there are only a couple of places in the world to get it.

So how about leading by example and discarding all Chinese component products you have, starting with the computer you are on now.

Now you are just talking crazy.   Get a grip on reality.   There is nothing going to happen to make your life, or mine, more difficult because of these tariffs.  Just because you say it will does not make it true.   Get back to us in a year Mr. Kreskin.  Till then go bend some spoons with the power of your mind.
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2018, 04:39:09 pm »
Quote from: The Ghost on July 20, 2018, 04:28:52 pm
Now you are just talking crazy.   Get a grip on reality.   There is nothing going to happen to make your life, or mine, more difficult because of these tariffs.  Just because you say it will does not make it true.   Get back to us in a year Mr. Kreskin.  Till then go bend some spoons with the power of your mind.

There's been a tremendous destruction of stock market value as a result of Trump's tariffs.  I firmly believe that his policies on deregulation and tax cuts have spurred the stock market.  He deserves credit for that IMO (the talk about giving Obama credit is complete nonsence IMO); however, if he gets credit for the upside, I believe he deserves credit for the downside of his economically crazy tariffs:

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President Donald Trump's tough trade tactics and rhetoric have caused the destruction of more than $1 trillion in market value, according to J.P. Morgan's top quantitative strategist.

"By attributing the trade-related news flow (positive or negative) to the performance of the U.S. market, we estimated the impact on U.S. equities to be negative 4.5 percent" since March, J.P. Morgan's Marko Kolanovic said in a note Wednesday. "Taking the current market capitalization, this translates into $1.25 trillion of value destruction for U.S. companies. For a comparison, this is about two-thirds of the value of total fiscal stimulus."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/trumps-tough-trade-talk-has-cost-the-market-an-estimated-1-trillion.html
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Re: Trump says he's 'ready' to put tariffs on all $505 billion of Chinese goods imported to the US
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2018, 05:00:16 pm »
Quote from: The Ghost on July 20, 2018, 04:28:52 pm
Now you are just talking crazy.   Get a grip on reality.   There is nothing going to happen to make your life, or mine, more difficult because of these tariffs.

Right, because taxing the consumer never hurts anyone.

It's become like arguing with Leftists anymore when it comes to all the apologists for Trump.
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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2018, 05:11:19 pm »
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Right, because taxing the consumer never hurts anyone.

It's become like arguing with Leftists anymore when it comes to all the apologists for Trump.

Right.   Like you are a ray of sunshine these days.
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« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2018, 05:12:58 pm »
   IF the economy slows or we enter a recession due to Trumps rambunctious tariffs you know he'll blame the Fed for raising interest rates too soon.
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