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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #75 on: July 02, 2018, 12:46:57 am »

Mueller is destroying people who have zero guilt associated with the witch hunt.  It's one of those disgraces that will be a blight on the enablers for many decades to come:


While Washington feeds its insatiable Trump/Russia-collusion jones, Americans are going broke in the process. Mere witnesses before congressional oversight panels, Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry, and the grand jury he has convened endure ginormous legal bills. Although they are not suspected of wrongdoing, their expenses can be crippling. In contrast, federal sleuths enjoy virtually infinite resources. And if Uncle Sam’s lawyers ever run out of money, unlike their private counterparts, they can get the Treasury to print more.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/trump-russia-probe-michael-caputo-witness-faces-financial-ruin/

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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #76 on: July 02, 2018, 12:52:24 am »
Whatever you say, boss.  Never seen a fellow get so steamed so quickly when he's been accurately called out.


I’m not surprised that’s your conclusion.  You read that as well as you read Ellis.
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #77 on: July 02, 2018, 12:54:45 am »
With high approval.   It's fortunate people can never keep the mask for long.


Actually Mueller's approval ratings are on a slow but steady down tick. As more and more of the truth comes out that downward slide will continue.

Though again, that's cold comfort to innocent parties who are already ruined. Idk how Sessions sleeps at night. Ultimately, it's all on him.

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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #78 on: July 02, 2018, 12:56:09 am »
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #79 on: July 02, 2018, 01:24:56 am »

Mueller is destroying people who have zero guilt associated with the witch hunt.  It's one of those disgraces that will be a blight on the enablers for many decades to come:


While Washington feeds its insatiable Trump/Russia-collusion jones, Americans are going broke in the process. Mere witnesses before congressional oversight panels, Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry, and the grand jury he has convened endure ginormous legal bills. Although they are not suspected of wrongdoing, their expenses can be crippling. In contrast, federal sleuths enjoy virtually infinite resources. And if Uncle Sam’s lawyers ever run out of money, unlike their private counterparts, they can get the Treasury to print more.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/trump-russia-probe-michael-caputo-witness-faces-financial-ruin/


Except the subject of the article, Michael Caputo, isn’t destroyed, as the link in post 64 states.  For someone so anti-Putin, he was willing to take his money and set up PR for him years ago.

Caputo lived in Russia in the 1990s and later worked with Russian conglomerate Gazprom Media on a pro-Putin public relations campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/31/which-trump-associates-are-being-investigated-by-congress-a-running-list/?utm_term=.f4b3e36f6226

He was brought in as a witness to corroborate information and not charged with anything.  His legal fees aren’t exclusive to the Mueller probe.  He also hired representation for congressional hearings.  He let them know that in his senate appearance.

"Your investigation and others into the allegations of Trump campaign collusion with Russia are costing my family a great deal of money -- more than $125,000 -- and making a visceral impact on my children," Caputo said in a prepared statement that he delivered at the end of the Senate interview, which was provided to CNN.

"Forget about all the death threats against my family. I want to know who cost us so much money, who crushed our kids, who forced us out of our home, all because you lost an election," he added, concluding with, "I want to know because God Damn you to Hell."


https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics/michael-caputo-mueller-investigator/index.html


Now, as much as he’d like to blame democrats as sore losers responsible for the hearings, there would have been people subpoenaed by congress, regardless.  Just ask Trey Gowdy.

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier," Gowdy said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation," days after he announced his decision not to seek re-election.

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"To the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower," Gowdy said. "The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #80 on: July 02, 2018, 01:33:59 am »

Basic common sense says a man with a 30+ year military career, with a six-figure retirement, who made a lot of money through lobbying, a book deal, speaking fees, consulting, and under reported $1.5M in income has more worth than you think.

Just because the hostile press isn't talking about something doesn't mean it's not true or didn't happen.  For instance, Jennings vs Rodriguez was decided in February.  It allowed the DOJ to indefinitely detain illegals, while hearings were pending.  Despite that, Trump was spending this spring blaming inadequate border enforcement on catch and release.  It was an obvious lie, since they were no longer bound by it, but you never heard about it.  Few are likely even aware of the case or decision.

The 'tree falls in the woods' philosophy with Flynn doesn't fly.  He was fired over a year ago.  He entered into the plea deal 7 months ago.  His former consultant service Flynn Intel Group has been dissolved.  For some reason you don't see him working at McDonald's or holding a tin cup on the corner, despite these 'dire' circumstances.

Maybe, but that really implies that well, it's ok to prosecute you as long as we don't bleed you dry. You got $10M in the bank, a couple of Mil in legal and court fees ain't no big deal.

I have a big problem with that.
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #81 on: July 02, 2018, 01:42:27 am »
Maybe, but that really implies that well, it's ok to prosecute you as long as we don't bleed you dry. You got $10M in the bank, a couple of Mil in legal and court fees ain't no big deal.

I have a big problem with that.


You’re going to hire representation based on your ability to afford it.  If I needed a lawyer, he wouldn’t be in the same price range as a top DC firm.  They didn’t stop prosecuting him based on money.  He’s paying an attorney a lot of money to give him the best legal advice.  After seeing what the prosecution had, a settlement was negotiated.  Somehow, I get the impression that wasn’t a 100% Flynn decision.


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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #82 on: July 02, 2018, 01:42:42 am »

Except the subject of the article, Michael Caputo, isn’t destroyed, as the link in post 64 states.  For someone so anti-Putin, he was willing to take his money and set up PR for him years ago.

Caputo lived in Russia in the 1990s and later worked with Russian conglomerate Gazprom Media on a pro-Putin public relations campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/31/which-trump-associates-are-being-investigated-by-congress-a-running-list/?utm_term=.f4b3e36f6226

He was brought in as a witness to corroborate information and not charged with anything.  His legal fees aren’t exclusive to the Mueller probe.  He also hired representation for congressional hearings.  He let them know that in his senate appearance.

"Your investigation and others into the allegations of Trump campaign collusion with Russia are costing my family a great deal of money -- more than $125,000 -- and making a visceral impact on my children," Caputo said in a prepared statement that he delivered at the end of the Senate interview, which was provided to CNN.

"Forget about all the death threats against my family. I want to know who cost us so much money, who crushed our kids, who forced us out of our home, all because you lost an election," he added, concluding with, "I want to know because God Damn you to Hell."


https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics/michael-caputo-mueller-investigator/index.html


Now, as much as he’d like to blame democrats as sore losers responsible for the hearings, there would have been people subpoenaed by congress, regardless.  Just ask Trey Gowdy.

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier," Gowdy said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation," days after he announced his decision not to seek re-election.

***************

"To the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower," Gowdy said. "The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html

Caputo was far from the only subject of the article,  as my excerpt demonstrated. Mueller's path of destruction is cutting a wide swath. Anyone who suggests there are only one or two people being financially stressed--in many cases ruined--needs to dig deeper.

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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #83 on: July 02, 2018, 02:09:38 am »

You’re going to hire representation based on your ability to afford it.  If I needed a lawyer, he wouldn’t be in the same price range as a top DC firm.  They didn’t stop prosecuting him based on money.  He’s paying an attorney a lot of money to give him the best legal advice.  After seeing what the prosecution had, a settlement was negotiated.  Somehow, I get the impression that wasn’t a 100% Flynn decision.

But it implies the prosecution bleeding a defendant dry is ok. They don't have to convict them, just outlast them to get a plea deal.
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #84 on: July 02, 2018, 02:16:17 am »
But it implies the prosecution bleeding a defendant dry is ok. They don't have to convict them, just outlast them to get a plea deal.

It far more than implies it...That is a stunning endorsement of the practice.  It's revolting.

I've heard over the past few years talk of a "Trump cult."  I don't buy that much, as it relates to some individuals, but there's a Mueller Cult too.
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #85 on: July 02, 2018, 02:17:13 am »
But it implies the prosecution bleeding a defendant dry is ok. They don't have to convict them, just outlast them to get a plea deal.


It also can imply the top flight legal defense advised him the deal would be his best option, in light of the charges and evidence.
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #86 on: July 02, 2018, 02:24:08 am »

It also can imply the top flight legal defense advised him the deal would be his best option, in light of the charges and evidence.

You assume something not in evidence. It could also have been the fact that the attorney knew that the govt could drag it out long enough that Flynn WOULD be bankrupt whether found innocent or guilty.

Most would take the hammer to the hand over the hemlock.
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #87 on: July 02, 2018, 02:31:58 am »
It far more than implies it...That is a stunning endorsement of the practice.  It's revolting.

I've heard over the past few years talk of a "Trump cult."  I don't buy that much, as it relates to some individuals, but there's a Mueller Cult too.

More like a Cabal.  And Mueller is just a pawn in that system of corruption. 
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #88 on: July 02, 2018, 02:47:33 am »
You assume something not in evidence. It could also have been the fact that the attorney knew that the govt could drag it out long enough that Flynn WOULD be bankrupt whether found innocent or guilty.

Most would take the hammer to the hand over the hemlock.


Manafort is still fighting his case in two districts.  He's facing a lot more legal jeopardy and costs than Flynn was.
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #89 on: July 02, 2018, 12:59:07 pm »
More like a Cabal.  And Mueller is just a pawn in that system of corruption.

I think the Mueller worship is breathtaking, and nauseating at the same time...I once thought it was just a corollary of Trump-hate.  Maybe it is, I don't know. :shrug:  People don't deserve worship, only the Father and Son do.

It leads to the same kind of idiotic assumptions that get made at the other end of the spectrum.  People who don't know Shinola about others start spouting off like they know people better than they themselves know.
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #90 on: July 02, 2018, 01:30:52 pm »
I think the Mueller worship is breathtaking, and nauseating at the same time.


On this one, I'd have to say more nauseating than breathtaking.  The facts about Mueller's dirty, corrupt past are extremely accessible.  Fifteen minutes worth of research would suffice in most cases. I can see Leftists loving the guy; he's cut perfectly from their ideal of post-modern morals and self-centered values. How any conservative can fail to see the truly repulsive nature of his dark side is beyond me.

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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #91 on: July 02, 2018, 01:39:35 pm »
I think the Mueller worship is breathtaking, and nauseating at the same time...I once thought it was just a corollary of Trump-hate.  Maybe it is, I don't know. :shrug:  People don't deserve worship, only the Father and Son do.

It leads to the same kind of idiotic assumptions that get made at the other end of the spectrum.  People who don't know Shinola about others start spouting off like they know people better than they themselves know.

BTW speaking of Mueller I thought this was interesting.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #92 on: July 02, 2018, 01:43:39 pm »
BTW speaking of Mueller I thought this was interesting.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax

Any old tool will do, eh?  It's easy for someone who threw away his scruples decades ago.
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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #93 on: July 02, 2018, 01:45:35 pm »
Any old tool will do, eh?  It's easy for someone who threw away his scruples decades ago.

He's probing 2500 donations now.

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Re: Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time
« Reply #94 on: July 02, 2018, 01:49:52 pm »
I read that as $2,500 worth of donations.  What's that, one, two people?
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