If Conservatives Set Aside Civility To Fight The Left’s Rude Provocation, We Will All Lose

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If Conservatives Set Aside Civility To Fight The Left’s Rude Provocation, We Will All Lose
 
Now that White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked to leave a restaurant out of the owner’s 'moral conviction,' some say it’s time to 'go low' and 'fight dirty.'

By Georgi Boorman   
June 27, 2018
 
Remember when Laura Ingraham tweeted about how David Hogg was “whining” after being rejected by a bunch of colleges, and the left, in a fit of outrage, immediately went after her show’s advertisers? I seem to recall folks on the right were pretty irritated at those pushy social justice warriors. But now that White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked to leave a restaurant out of the owner’s “moral conviction,” some say it’s time to “go low” and “fight dirty.”

SkyMast, whose profile description says she’s been “resisting the siren call of Marxism for 23 years straight,” also tweeted: “These suppliers get to choose which side they come down on, sucks that they are forced into this position, but Red Hen pulled the trigger. Wars are messy and often times unfair. Such is life.”

Trying to blacklist other businesses who weren’t involved in this owner’s and his staff’s political stunt is not “evening the playing field,” or “making it a fair fight,” or “refusing to accept the terms of the debate” or any other hackneyed excuse members of the most resentful sector of the Right have offered. It is textbook bully behavior, leading to sad consequences like Red Hen co-owner Stephanie Wilkinson stepping down from a local volunteer board. Bullies are never fair. That’s why we call them bullies. And indeed, in responding as the left would, such actors aren’t refusing to accept the terms of debate, they’re signing their names to them with a flourish.

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http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/27/conservatives-set-aside-civility-fight-lefts-rude-provocation-will-lose/

[INVAR]

It all flies apart from here.

When the shelves are bare and the economy reels in agony with regular folks feeling REAL pain - they will beg for an iron fist of totalitarianism if it comes with the empty promise that the Strongman will return things to 'normal'.

But they never will be again.

Have we really counted the cost of going to actual war with more than half the population who see Leftism as their religion?

[truth_seeker]

I have spent a lot of time listening to Youtubers and podcasters concerning the Free Speech topic.


There are MANY from the old Left that are appalled over the recent events. This topic is probably the single most important reason for the IDW movement. (Independent Dark Web)

Professors and college administrators recognize they have a big problem.

It is unanimous among those people, that conservatives are the well (or better) behaved.

Antifa grew out of the new Left. They believe in violence.

[Concerned]

I think there’s much positive for Republicans to tout on the policy front (e.g., the economy, ISIS, tax cuts), and I think petty squabbles, childish nicknames, and the overall lack of civility we’ve seen recently just lowers the common denominator of the discussion.  Sadly, some people seem to relish the bullying though.

[INVAR]

I think there’s much positive for Republicans to tout on the policy front (e.g., the economy, ISIS, tax cuts), and I think petty squabbles, childish nicknames, and the overall lack of civility we’ve seen recently just lowers the common denominator of the discussion.  Sadly, some people seem to relish the bullying though.

CINC sets the tone.

The blame can be placed square at his feet in terms of the reciprocal bullying.

[XenaLee]

If Conservatives Set Aside Civility To Fight The Left’s Rude Provocation, We Will All Lose
 
Now that White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked to leave a restaurant out of the owner’s 'moral conviction,' some say it’s time to 'go low' and 'fight dirty.'

By Georgi Boorman   
June 27, 2018
 
Remember when Laura Ingraham tweeted about how David Hogg was “whining” after being rejected by a bunch of colleges, and the left, in a fit of outrage, immediately went after her show’s advertisers? I seem to recall folks on the right were pretty irritated at those pushy social justice warriors. But now that White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked to leave a restaurant out of the owner’s “moral conviction,” some say it’s time to “go low” and “fight dirty.”

SkyMast, whose profile description says she’s been “resisting the siren call of Marxism for 23 years straight,” also tweeted: “These suppliers get to choose which side they come down on, sucks that they are forced into this position, but Red Hen pulled the trigger. Wars are messy and often times unfair. Such is life.”

Trying to blacklist other businesses who weren’t involved in this owner’s and his staff’s political stunt is not “evening the playing field,” or “making it a fair fight,” or “refusing to accept the terms of the debate” or any other hackneyed excuse members of the most resentful sector of the Right have offered. It is textbook bully behavior, leading to sad consequences like Red Hen co-owner Stephanie Wilkinson stepping down from a local volunteer board. Bullies are never fair. That’s why we call them bullies. And indeed, in responding as the left would, such actors aren’t refusing to accept the terms of debate, they’re signing their names to them with a flourish.

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http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/27/conservatives-set-aside-civility-fight-lefts-rude-provocation-will-lose/

All the right (all Trump) has to do is sit back and watch the idiot leftists destroy themselves via this meltdown behavior of theirs.  They are showing everyone who and 'what' they really are and have been all along.  Unless or until they actually physically attack someone, all we need to do is observe and point out how they "are".   Anything else on our part would be just as stuckonstupid as they've always been.

[XenaLee]

I think there’s much positive for Republicans to tout on the policy front (e.g., the economy, ISIS, tax cuts), and I think petty squabbles, childish nicknames, and the overall lack of civility we’ve seen recently just lowers the common denominator of the discussion.  Sadly, some people seem to relish the bullying though.

Mostly only armchair "warriors" .... sitting in the comfort of their homes NOT being bullied, harassed or threatened, however.  And their opinions don't really count.

[aligncare]

CINC sets the tone.

The blame can be placed square at his feet in terms of the reciprocal bullying.

Let me get this straight, you’re blaming the president for the Left’s resort to violence against republicans because they won’t accept the results of Trump’s election?

I guess this belongs here then: Whoa, paint. Yer working up a froth.

[INVAR]

Let me get this straight, you’re blaming the president for the Left’s resort to violence against republicans because they won’t accept the results of Trump’s election?

I guess this belongs here then: Whoa, paint. Yer working up a froth.

No.  You're deliberately reading it wrong.

The reciprocal bullying that you people applaud is set in tone by Trump - and it is escalating, rather than diffusing the rush to civil conflict.

I am fairly certain none of you people have counted the cost of what will be the consequences of retribution.

You're applauding the demons rather than appealing to the better angels.

Then again, maybe some of you have and you want to get on with the punishment phase of your payback desires.

[dfwgator]

How did that approach work out for W?

[Concerned]

No.  You're deliberately reading it wrong.

The reciprocal bullying that you people applaud is set in tone by Trump - and it is escalating, rather than diffusing the rush to civil conflict.

I am fairly certain none of you people have counted the cost of what will be the consequences of retribution.

You're applauding the demons rather than appealing to the better angels.

Then again, maybe some of you have and you want to get on with the punishment phase of your payback desires.

And I don't think the bullying will ever end as long as people refuse to condemn it whether it's coming from "their guy" or "the other guy".  As long as folks applaud it (or remain silent) when their side does it, but condemn it when the other side does, this lack of civility will simply continue.  I'm afraid substantive debate and dialogue gets lost as a result (which may be the very objective for some).

[aligncare]

I feel like I’m in an alternate universe. Tough talk is not violent action. Saying “get him out of here” to a protester at a rally is not an act of violence.

[corbe]

Donald Trump - 'Knock the Crap Out Of Them, I Will Pay For The Legal Fees'

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[XenaLee]

I feel like I’m in an alternate universe. Tough talk is not violent action. Saying “get him out of here” to a protester at a rally is not an act of violence.

That was then.... this is now.   Point is.... rather than diffusing the situation.... or at least attempting to.... Trump insists on chiming/tweeting in on every....single....minute.... issue ... and incident that comes along, with his usual "egging it on" rhetoric.  He needs to show some damned maturity and restraint (for a refreshing change).... and step away from the Twitter.  Sheesh, guys.  It ain't that complex.

[Fishrrman]

Title and premise:
"If Conservatives Set Aside Civility To Fight The Left’s Rude Provocation, We Will All Lose"

Nope.
Conservatives and traditional-minded Americans will lose.
And the leftist democrat-communists will win.

The reason the administration has accomplished quite a lot in less than two years is because Mr. Trump "took off the kid gloves" and started punching back, particularly through his tweets (I don't follow twitter personally, and all that I know about Mr. Trump's tweets is what I read in this forum).

Time and again here, I've read comments from other posters about how to overcome a schoolyard bully -- that is to say, the only way to make him stop [bullying you] is to fight back with fisticuffs as hard as you can. Then you stand a decent chance of backing him off.

And yet these same folks get in a huff when they see Mr. Trump or others in the administration fight back against the left and the media.

Migosh, are we supposed to sit there like G.W. Bush and just "take it"?
What did that do for him?

The reason we are where we are -- instead of being where we'd be if hillary had won -- is that Trump FIGHTS BACK. He gives it back to them as hard or harder than they give it to him.

I for one hope he keeps swingin' at 'em !!

[skeeter]

Donald Trump - 'Knock the Crap Out Of Them, I Will Pay For The Legal Fees'

He deserves to be knocked for that one.

But that card can be played only so many times.

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     I agree @skeeter I played the hand dealt to me by @aligncare with his soft focus on Trump's actual civility at some of his rallys. 
     It seemed appropriate and on Topic, at the time.   

     I didn't bring up Trump's past associations/donations to schumer in the schumer thread cause I know Briefers are sick of refighting the 2016 primary, over and over, again.

[roamer_1]

“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.” ― George Bernard Shaw

[Old Sarge]

No.  You're deliberately reading it wrong.

The reciprocal bullying that you people applaud is set in tone by Trump - and it is escalating, rather than diffusing the rush to civil conflict.

I am fairly certain none of you people have counted the cost of what will be the consequences of retribution.

You're applauding the demons rather than appealing to the better angels.

Then again, maybe some of you have and you want to get on with the punishment phase of your payback desires.

Excuse me?  "You" people? 

Over on TOS, you admonished folks with a quote that I have often used, such was the wisdom:  "Remember 20th Century History: in the case of every nation where Marxists achieve total power, genocides of their political opponents always follows".

It was your words that articulated their endgame so simply and clearly to me.  Now we are seeing the pent-up rage of the Left on full display.  Groups like BLM, Antifa, the Occutards and other SJW's are waiting in the stalls for the go-codes.  We have been in a shooting civil war since Ferguson, though now it's a Phony War temporarily.  How long do you propose we wait and not prepare for the coming storm, knowing we will be facing a domestic foe far different than the last armed conflict?

As Professor Tolkien wrote, "Those without swords can still die upon them".

And James Woods admonished us, "Arm Yourselves.  And vote."

Please allow me to continue knowing your wisdom, not your scorn.

[Frank Cannon]

Georgi Boorman is a Senior Contributor at The Federalist and a transplant from Seattle to small town Central Washington. She leverages a B.A. in Anthropology, a background in the homeschooling community, and her experience as a mother for a unique perspective on politics and culture. Her writing unapologetically brings Christian and conservative principles to the foreground. She and her husband enjoy a comfortably frugal lifestyle and are on their way to a very early retirement.

Yeah. I'm going to take advice from some ineffectual squish Millennial who get the vapors when someone audibly farts in a quite room.

BTW "Comfortably Frugal" sounds like a fancy way of saying poor white trash. Hang up the blogging sweety and get a paying job you stupid loser. 

[corbe]

   Well at least she's not a communist.

[INVAR]

Excuse me?  "You" people?

Fanatical Trump supporters of the kind I was responding to, who applaud escalating tensions rather than de-escalating them.

Over on TOS, you admonished folks with a quote that I have often used, such was the wisdom:  "Remember 20th Century History: in the case of every nation where Marxists achieve total power, genocides of their political opponents always follows".

I'll give you another quote - this one is from my Opa who was put in the Hitler Youth at 8 years old:  "Out of fear of the Communists, my people chose the Fascists".  Stopping Marxist Communists hellbent on fundamentally transforming society by corruption and force is one thing.  Trading liberty to adopt a twisted form of populism to sow vengeance upon them is quite another.

We have been in a shooting civil war since Ferguson, though now it's a Phony War temporarily.  How long do you propose we wait and not prepare for the coming storm, knowing we will be facing a domestic foe far different than the last armed conflict?

I never, ever said a thing about not preparing for what appears to be inevitable.  I never said or suggested or implied no one should prepare for the coming storm.  Indeed it is PAST time to have prepared.  That includes counting the cost, and that is a price I highly doubt many have contemplated.

All that is holding this country together right now is the bulk of the people having enough money and prosperity to have idle pursuits.  The moral fabric and homogenous culture that once undergirded our society is gone.  Once our fiat currency and debt bombs go off due decades of consequences we have earned - and shelves go empty and real pain visits mainstream - you watch all the fractures sown over the last 50 years split wide open in a miasma of vengeance and bloodshed that is gonna make France 1790's a picnic in comparison.  Especially among an entitlement generation.

And that's just looking at human nature in history.  Look at what we do now when the tree is green.  What are they gonna do tomorrow when the tree is dry?

As Professor Tolkien wrote, "Those without swords can still die upon them".

One more proverb among many to showcase the insanity of registering or complying with disarmament efforts.

Please allow me to continue knowing your wisdom, not your scorn.

We're on the verge of a bloodbath, not a restoration.   A president should be working to de-escalate tensions and work to appealing to better natures than stoking further division and payback.  He's just doing the same exact thing Obama did for his acolytes in stoking divisions and furthering the hatred of their political enemies.  We may have already crossed the Rubicon of irreconcilable differences.

If the Left wants a war, let them come - let them give us the moral justification to end them.   You do not achieve that when the president goads them into one.

[Frank Cannon]

We're on the verge of a bloodbath, not a restoration.   A president should be working to de-escalate tensions and work to appealing to better natures than stoking further division and payback.  He's just doing the same exact thing Obama did for his acolytes in stoking divisions and furthering the hatred of their political enemies.  We may have already crossed the Rubicon of irreconcilable differences.

We crossed that 20 years ago. when the Rat's claimed Bush was illegitimate. Thinking otherwise as you do is Pollyanna bullshit. You can feel free to fondle your National Review and latte thinking that some smooth talking moderate RINO like Rubio or Jeb! can make the radical Left see that we are all really just a bunch of lovable teddy bears. It ain't happening. We just get rolled with people like that at the helm. I stick with the strong fighter who knocks those violent Leftists down when need be.

[INVAR]

We crossed that 20 years ago. when the Rat's claimed Bush was illegitimate. Thinking otherwise as you do is Pollyanna bullshit. You can feel free to fondle your National Review and latte thinking that some smooth talking moderate RINO like Rubio or Jeb! can make the radical Left see that we are all really just a bunch of lovable teddy bears. It ain't happening. We just get rolled with people like that at the helm. I stick with the strong fighter who knocks those violent Leftists down when need be.

You're not hearing or understanding me. 

Contrary to your assertion I'm no pollyanna, in fact there's enough people here on this board alone to assert I'm an especially virulent doom and gloomer, or that I'm praying for violence to come. 

Neither do I read National Review or drink lattes or support RINOs.   Hell bub, I don't even support Republicans anymore.

It's not about sitting down to tea with Leftists and try to get them to like us by being milquetoast pretend pals at a country club setting.

It's about persuading better angels to prevail over the dogs of war everyone wants loosed.  It's about pointing out what we should have in common and should honor as Americans - not about pointing out what losers and 'sad people' Trump's detractors are and how businesses need a 'paint job' because they dissed a member of staff.  That does not provide a just cause to rally around when overt domestic Revolutionists are bullied and goaded into making that last mistake.

You think for one second I'm picking up my irons to run to Trump's side if some idiot actually vandalizes the Red Hen or whatever that place was called, and it ignites a violent Leftist retribution that goes tit for tat until bloodshed becomes a very real thing??  No.  Trump would have egged-it on and therefore loses any moral justification he would otherwise have had if he kept his mouth and thumbs silent.

It's one thing to fight back against a bully and pop him in the face but good when they finally shove once too much.  It's not self defense when you instigate a known rabid bully and dare him to hit you by poking him, insulting him and publicly goading him to hit you, even when the bully is a decades-old asswipe that deserves to have his ass handed to him.  You bring the beating on yourself when you act like that.  You stand your ground as is your right and when the bully swings you take him out hard and without mercy.

Trump's not a fighter.  He's just a big mouth that doesn't know when to shut it or negotiate anything except apparently instigation.

[Frank Cannon]

Trump's not a fighter.  He's just a big mouth that doesn't know when to shut it or negotiate anything except apparently instigation.

LOL. Yeah right. Tell that to all the cheering crowds Donny gets for finally standing up to the establishment. You are the one that is not getting that and that is fine with me. The train keeps rolling along just fine without you.