If Conservatives Set Aside Civility To Fight The Left’s Rude Provocation, We Will All Lose

[INVAR]

God forbid you would actually think of fighting back. If they aren't oppressing you, then they are being oppressed.

They don't leave you with alot of choices, because they will never stop coming at you no matter how much you try to leave them alone.

I'm one of the first people who is willing to fight back - when it is rightfully so.  Let them come make that last mistake, and they will pay the consequences, and I will not lose the justification for doing what needed to be done. 

Justifying all means to achieve ends is just the same mechanism of tyranny that the Left uses.  It's a path down Genocide Lane if you want to insist that because the Leftists are dangerous due projection and demonization we should take them out before they take us out.  Let them attempt to do mayhem and demonstrate their intentions and then we shall have the justification to so what will be necessary to end them.

But until they do make that last mistake, and until my actions can be rightful self defense of life, liberties, rights and happiness - even if they are lawful agents of the state seeking to deprive me of any of those things on their own authority - or a perversion of law - fighting back without just cause because we fear what they will do, is simply felony assault or murder.

You can blame that on decades of martial arts and arms training if you like.  But it is the code I operate on in the meat world.

[RoosGirl]

BS. Don't make me have to stop this car and talk to you like I did INVAR.

Stop the car and let's step outside then!

Not sure which part is supposedly BS.  Were drugs involved in the Gianforte case also?

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@RoosGirl

Riiiight

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sarah-palin-son-beat-father-freaking-meds-article-1.3707340

When I was informed of this site I was told it was a Superior option to TOS.

And I can't count the number of threads here which have been yanked completely off topic to start Endless 7th and 8th grade trash fires, silly sexual inuendo, non-sequiturs by the 55 gallon drum, Anything to take Hundreds of replies amounting to naught more than 'My Keyboard is bigger and badder than Your keyboard.'

And you had to start another one right here with a big old Riiiight

Which is a net euphemism for Eff-U, poster.

If you don't have anything relevant to contribute, please, at least, keep the condescension out of it.

[Fishrrman]

roamer wrote:
"The ends NEVER justify the means."

Would you cling to that noble philosophy regarding islam?
Would you submit to allah, rather than use any means available to remain free?

And again, sorry if it offends you, I don't care about your gentlemanly sensibilities.

Insofar as the war with the left goes...
I want our side to win.
I want their side to be defeated.
Utterly.... with nothing left.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

roamer wrote:
"The ends NEVER justify the means."

Would you cling to that noble philosophy regarding islam?
Would you submit to allah, rather than use any means available to remain free?

And again, sorry if it offends you, I don't care about your gentlemanly sensibilities.

Insofar as the war with the left goes...
I want our side to win.
I want their side to be defeated.
Utterly.... with nothing left.

 

"Halfway measures are to be repudiated."
Niccolo Machiavelli

[skeeter]

roamer wrote:
"The ends NEVER justify the means."

Would you cling to that noble philosophy regarding islam?
Would you submit to allah, rather than use any means available to remain free?

And again, sorry if it offends you, I don't care about your gentlemanly sensibilities.

Insofar as the war with the left goes...
I want our side to win.
I want their side to be defeated.
Utterly.... with nothing left.

When I hear 'the ends never justify the means' I always think of the allies including the US in WWII.

[Silver Pines]

@RoosGirl

Riiiight

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sarah-palin-son-beat-father-freaking-meds-article-1.3707340

When I was informed of this site I was told it was a Superior option to TOS.

And I can't count the number of threads here which have been yanked completely off topic to start Endless 7th and 8th grade trash fires, silly sexual inuendo, non-sequiturs by the 55 gallon drum, Anything to take Hundreds of replies amounting to naught more than 'My Keyboard is bigger and badder than Your keyboard.'

And you had to start another one right here with a big old Riiiight

Which is a net euphemism for Eff-U, poster.

If you don't have anything relevant to contribute, please, at least, keep the condescension out of it.

@To_Whose_Benefit

TBR is definitely a superior option.  Well, unless you want an owner with a tin god complex, constant threat of banning, never-ending haranguing for money, and packs of howling harpies roaming around enforcing the group-think.  Oh, and discussion topics like how many children were sold into sex slavery to the Clintons, and Barbara Bush's Satanist stepfather...with the occasional muttering about executing politicians. 

Yeah, threads get shut down here, but human nature is what it is, right? 

Don't be so sensitive.

[Frank Cannon]

TBR is definitely a superior option. 

To a lobotomy? That's debatable.

[Free Vulcan]

Less sight angle. 
Why not go out and look for them so you could shoot them?

I'd rather shoot from cover and limited access to open field, and let them come to you.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@To_Whose_Benefit

TBR is definitely a superior option.  Well, unless you want an owner with a tin god complex, constant threat of banning, never-ending haranguing for money, and packs of howling harpies roaming around enforcing the group-think.  Oh, and discussion topics like how many children were sold into sex slavery to the Clintons, and Barbara Bush's Satanist stepfather...with the occasional muttering about executing politicians. 

Yeah, threads get shut down here, but human nature is what it is, right? 

Don't be so sensitive.

I have had my posts Here, left up but the Content completely removed from them.

I have had my posts here Edited and an Instruction to me inserted into them, by someone with Moderator powers.

And it All turns upon Whose Ox is getting gored.

Don't lecture me about being Sensitive, when This goes on at a purported Conservative political BB.

[RoosGirl]

@RoosGirl

Riiiight

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sarah-palin-son-beat-father-freaking-meds-article-1.3707340

When I was informed of this site I was told it was a Superior option to TOS.

And I can't count the number of threads here which have been yanked completely off topic to start Endless 7th and 8th grade trash fires, silly sexual inuendo, non-sequiturs by the 55 gallon drum, Anything to take Hundreds of replies amounting to naught more than 'My Keyboard is bigger and badder than Your keyboard.'

And you had to start another one right here with a big old Riiiight

Which is a net euphemism for Eff-U, poster.

If you don't have anything relevant to contribute, please, at least, keep the condescension out of it.

You're getting a little out there.  You made a comment about some Dem politician that beat hell out of his dad and was arrested the day after he lost.  You were responding to a comment claiming that in fighting the Dems any method used to defeat them was acceptable.  Your comment appeared to me to make the claim that Dems were the only ones that behaved so badly and that was why any method used to defeat them was acceptable.  My response to you was to show you that Dems do not have a monopoly on bad behavior.  If you can't follow that, then move along.

PS  I've never been shy about saying "Eff U" if that's what I mean.

[corbe]

I have had my posts Here, left up but the Content completely removed from them.

I have had my posts here Edited and an Instruction to me inserted into them, by someone with Moderator powers.

And it All turns upon Whose Ox is getting gored.

Don't lecture me about being Sensitive, when This goes on at a purported Conservative political BB.

   I have too @To-Whose-Benefit? and we are both on opposite sides of the ET/NT Spectrum. 
   The Mods here have a tendency to make me understand 'WHY' a few of my posts get butchered or are missing in totality. 
   I respect them, he11 of a job and the fact that they never consider my request to join them makes me respect them even more.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

You're getting a little out there.  You made a comment about some Dem politician that beat hell out of his dad and was arrested the day after he lost.  You were responding to a comment claiming that in fighting the Dems any method used to defeat them was acceptable.  Your comment appeared to me to make the claim that Dems were the only ones that behaved so badly and that was why any method used to defeat them was acceptable.  My response to you was to show you that Dems do not have a monopoly on bad behavior. If you can't follow that, then move along.

PS  I've never been shy about saying "Eff U" if that's what I mean.

Palin the Younger wasn't an elected Leftist, the Day After he was refused re-election by his constituents.

According to your article he was drinking and drugging.

The fact that his Mom is a prominent Republican is irrelevant.

The two incidents do not share any kind of equivalency.

But it's MY responsibility to 'Move Along' after You stepped in it to make I don't know What cogent point not even tangentially related to my post, about Republican family members who are drunk and on drugs sometimes becoming violent.

What The Heck am I supposed to Follow? Apples and Oranges are not one and the same!

[INVAR]

roamer wrote:
"The ends NEVER justify the means."

Would you cling to that noble philosophy regarding islam?
Would you submit to allah, rather than use any means available to remain free?

We're not talking about Islam or Sharia Law whose entire doctrinal gospel is conquer for Islam, slay the infidels or make them slaves. 

We're talking about Americans who just happen to be liberal imbeciles that promote or bought into Socialism and Marxism as a governing system.

Now if you want to demonize Democrats and Leftists as wholly evil, and therefore needing to be killed before they kill you - then you are absolutely no different than the Leftists who say the same stupid shit.

Which is why I see the rabid Trump mob as an equal danger to what remains of our liberty as I do the rabid Leftists.

They are just two sides of the same coin.

[RoosGirl]

Palin the Younger wasn't an elected Leftist, the Day After he was refused re-election by his constituents.

According to your article he was drinking and drugging.

The fact that his Mom is a prominent Republican is irrelevant.

The two incidents do not share any kind of equivalency.

But it's MY responsibility to 'Move Along' after You stepped in it to make I don't know What cogent point not even tangentially related to my post, about Republican family members who are drunk and on drugs sometimes becoming violent.

What The Heck am I supposed to Follow? Apples and Oranges are not one and the same!

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

You're getting a little out there.  You made a comment about some Dem politician that beat hell out of his dad and was arrested the day after he lost.  You were responding to a comment claiming that in fighting the Dems any method used to defeat them was acceptable.  Your comment appeared to me to make the claim that Dems were the only ones that behaved so badly and that was why any method used to defeat them was acceptable.  My response to you was to show you that Dems do not have a monopoly on bad behavior.  If you can't follow that, then move along.

PS  I've never been shy about saying "Eff U" if that's what I mean.

Quote me anywhere in this thread advancing the use of physical violence against the Rats.

[Free Vulcan]

I'm one of the first people who is willing to fight back - when it is rightfully so.  Let them come make that last mistake, and they will pay the consequences, and I will not lose the justification for doing what needed to be done. 

Justifying all means to achieve ends is just the same mechanism of tyranny that the Left uses.  It's a path down Genocide Lane if you want to insist that because the Leftists are dangerous due projection and demonization we should take them out before they take us out.  Let them attempt to do mayhem and demonstrate their intentions and then we shall have the justification to so what will be necessary to end them.

But until they do make that last mistake, and until my actions can be rightful self defense of life, liberties, rights and happiness - even if they are lawful agents of the state seeking to deprive me of any of those things on their own authority - or a perversion of law - fighting back without just cause because we fear what they will do, is simply felony assault or murder.

You can blame that on decades of martial arts and arms training if you like.  But it is the code I operate on in the meat world.

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The thing about leftists is that you will never have to go out and fight them. They will always come to you. Saves the walking and the gas.

I myself live in a very rural area, and am trying get to an even more rural area (think Amish and Mennonite). I will be the last place the zombies come to.

Those in urban and even suburban areas, they will be faced with the decision. As we pack illegals and even legal immigrants that choose not to assimilate, socialist candidates like Ocasio-Cortez are going to become more common, especially on the city councils. Think Seattle.

These people aren't going to care about anyone white, especailly if they're rich, male, conservative, and Christian. Many are backdoor funded by Soros. They hate capitalism. They relish in agitation and 'social justice.'

Next recession that hits, they are going to look the other way while the mobs shoot, loot, and rape any 'identity' not part of their coaltion. They will probably help organize and fund it, as well as profit off it.

I just know what I'd do in that situation, but conservatives as a whole need to start giving it serious thought.

[RoosGirl]

Quote me anywhere in this thread advancing the use of physical violence against the Rats.

@To-Whose-Benefit?   I never brought that up, but ok:

jpsb wrote:
"Exactly right, except I think even earlier, we are not dealing with Democrats any longer we are dealing  with hard core Marxists and if you know your history you know how Marxists act once they think  they are powerful enough to take over. They will do anything take power and once they have the  power they will execute every conservative they can find."

Right you are, jp.

I saw this posted earlier today elsewhere:
"Marquess of Queensbury rules don’t apply when battling communists."

Nope.
When fighting the democrat-communists, whatever it takes to win is ok with me.
Just as with the war with islam, the end is justified, regardless of the means.
You don't care about "means" when it's your existential survival that's at stake.

Sorry if this offends anyone, I don't care about your sensibilities.

...

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@RoosGirl

Read the title of this thread again.

It's about a political, Rude Provocation, not a violent street fight.

As for my endorsing @Fishrrman sentiments, YES, you see when someone tries to cut your head off with a knife, it is no longer a matter of Party Affiliation, nor is it a political issue at all. As a matter of Law we, all of us in this country, own a Right to Self Defense.

Now whose stretching a point?

[RoosGirl]

@RoosGirl

Read the title of this thread again.

It's about a political, Rude Provocation, not a violent street fight.

As for my endorsing @Fishrrman sentiments, YES, you see when someone tries to cut your head off with a knife, it is no longer a matter of Party Affiliation, nor is it a political issue at all. As a matter of Law we, all of us in this country, own a Right to Self Defense.

Now whose stretching a point?

You are.

[Silver Pines]

I have had my posts Here, left up but the Content completely removed from them.

I have had my posts here Edited and an Instruction to me inserted into them, by someone with Moderator powers.

And it All turns upon Whose Ox is getting gored.

Don't lecture me about being Sensitive, when This goes on at a purported Conservative political BB.

@To-Whose-Benefit?

I’ve had posts removed and I’ve had words removed.  The other day I called somebody stupid and it was changed to <nope>.  It’s no big dramatic deal, and there’s no agenda.  It’s just mods trying to handle a bunch of people who often grate against one another.

[INVAR]

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The thing about leftists is that you will never have to go out and fight them. They will always come to you. Saves the walking and the gas.

I myself live in a very rural area, and am trying get to an even more rural area (think Amish and Mennonite). I will be the last place the zombies come to.

Those in urban and even suburban areas, they will be faced with the decision. As we pack illegals and even legal immigrants that choose not to assimilate, socialist candidates like Ocasio-Cortez are going to become more common, especially on the city councils. Think Seattle.

These people aren't going to care about anyone white, especailly if they're rich, male, conservative, and Christian. Many are backdoor funded by Soros. They hate capitalism. They relish in agitation and 'social justice.'

Next recession that hits, they are going to look the other way while the mobs shoot, loot, and rape any 'identity' not part of their coaltion. They will probably help organize and fund it, as well as profit off it.

I just know what I'd do in that situation, but conservatives as a whole need to start giving it serious thought.

Wholeheartedly agree with every syllable you typed.

The first step to surviving a disaster or catastrophe is to believe it can happen, then watch for signs and know what to do in the event of one.  Most people freeze or panic and usually that is what does them in. 

That said - letting them come and make that last mistake - when it becomes clear that the intention is subjugation and/or worse - is when we have justification to act in terms of self-defense. 

Declaring them to be an existential threat to our existence erases that justification and only feeds the absolute worst traits of history and human nature.

[corbe]

   From experience I do think the Mods here are fair, I talk to them more often than I'd like to admit.  As opposed to other places I frequent where it is the Wild Wild West and barely a tolerable experience.
   Great group of people here.

[roamer_1]

roamer wrote:
"The ends NEVER justify the means."

Would you cling to that noble philosophy regarding islam?

@Fishrrman

Yes, in fact, I do already.

Would you submit to allah, rather than use any means available to remain free?

I will not submit to allah under any condition. Does that mean I would utilize any means? No, it does not.

And again, sorry if it offends you, I don't care about your gentlemanly sensibilities.

LOL! Generally speaking, I am no gentleman.

Insofar as the war with the left goes...
I want our side to win.
I want their side to be defeated.
Utterly.... with nothing left.

If your means is to descend to their level, then you have, for all intensive porpoises, become the very thing you rail against.
There is no profit in it.