Breaking!!! SCOTUS rules against big labor!

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

5-4...

I’ll give trump credit where credit is due, he appointed Gorsuch. Who knows what borrow Hillary would have appointed?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I'm wondering what practical effect if any this decision will have on union negotiating activities, specifically, collective bargaining.

Very little, although the fact that they will end up representing a smaller percentage of workers likely will reduce their bargaining power during negotiations to some extent.  But they'll still have to have people at the bargaining table -- that's sort of the one thing they cannot stop doing.

Where it really will hurt them is in activism.  With fewer dues-paying members, they won't be able to have as many staffers spending time on activism.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

5-4...

I’ll give trump credit where credit is due, he appointed Gorsuch. Who knows what borrow Hillary would have appointed?

Either Garland, or someone more liberal.  Either way, we would't have gotten any of these decisions that have gone our way.  Good chance we'd also be on track to lose Citizen's United and Heller.

Coming through on SCOTUS was the biggest thing Trump has done.

[skeeter]

More significantly, this will cost the unions money and they are cash cows for the Democratic party. Expect a major reaction that will loud and full of fury over this. They will accuse Trump of the genocide of Amish children over this. Puppy genocide. Baby manatee genocide. They will peg the unhinged meter because the vast majority of American either don't care about this or support the ruling. The Democrats will have to make them care. The children of union workers will be torn from the breasts of their mothers by Trump and hurled into a raging furnace before the week is over.

 Collective bargaining will still go on.

Probably, but negotiating employee salaries with another public employee won't be nearly as fun.

At any rate I fully expect this will put black garbed primary school teachers armed with pikes on the front lines.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

This is huge.  I have always been a proponent that our loss of industrial base in the past 50 or so years has been that wages are not competitive on a world stage. (Added envirowhacko and lawsuit abuse) Now we get to level the playing field a bit, and I for one do not want to bet against American innovation.

Although again, this decision only affects government workers.  It doesn't affect the private sector at all.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Although again, this decision only affects government workers.  It doesn't affect the private sector at all.

Is this state or federal level?

[INVAR]

Well, sir.... the least you can say, is "Thank You".   

You're funny.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Well, sir.... the least you can say, is "Thank You".   

In any event though....you're welcome!

I  :nometalk:

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Is this state or federal level?

Both.  That means not just federal government workers, but teachers, police/fire unions, etc..

[DCPatriot]

You're funny.

 

[catfish1957]

Although again, this decision only affects government workers.  It doesn't affect the private sector at all.

Fully agree, but now that precedent has been set, how long will that be brought up to court?

[aligncare]

A link:

Supreme Court deals sharp defeat to public employee unions, banning mandatory fees

The supremes just pulled the plug on labor’s big-money influence on electing democrats. Oh, happy days!

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Fully agree, but now that precedent has been set, how long will that be brought up to court?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

This decision is very clear, and leaves zero wiggle room.  Any states or local governments that try to evade this or delay compliance will get slapped down hard and fast.  You may literally see some employees requesting tomorrow that union dues no longer be deducted from their paychecks.   Should take one payroll cycle at most.

In terms of the private sector, it won't affect anything.  Two completely separate legal analyses.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The Democrat slush fund is hereby diminished.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The Democrat slush fund is hereby diminished.

Right, but it goes beyond just the money paid to Democrats and their causes.  Bloated public sector unions keep lots of people on the payroll who basically function as professional agitators/protesters.  When you see those nutbag rallies, you can be pretty sure that there are a lot of hired union goons in there.

This is going to really hurt those unions in the pocketbook, and that means they won't be able to keep nearly as many of those people on the payroll.  Those bogus "grassroots" protests, particularly in cities, will lose a good chunk of their activists.

[txradioguy]

The Democrat slush fund is hereby diminished.

It's certainly one way to drain the swamp.

[XenaLee]

Right, but it goes beyond just the money paid to Democrats and their causes.  Bloated public sector unions keep lots of people on the payroll who basically function as professional agitators/protesters.  When you see those nutbag rallies, you can be pretty sure that there are a lot of hired union goons in there.

This is going to really hurt those unions in the pocketbook, and that means they won't be able to keep nearly as many of those people on the payroll. Those bogus "grassroots" protests, particularly in cities, will lose a good chunk of their activists.

Ehh.... the goons'll just head over to the nearest Antifa headquarters and start getting paid by Soros.  I have detested Big Labor Unions for decades.  This is a huge victory, IMO.

[Fishrrman]

Big, BIG win!
There is no way that this can be understated.

Mr. Gorsuch made the difference.
and...
...Mr. Trump picked Mr. Gorsuch.

Do you think any of the other Republican candidates other than Mr. Trump (with possibly the exception of Ted Cruz) would have picked and fought for "a Gorsuch"?

I doubt it. They would have caved to democrat-communist opposition and picked someone else.

[Suppressed]

Coming through on SCOTUS was the biggest thing Trump has done.

 

[dfwgator]

It's really all that matters, everything else is just noise.

[Oceander]

Well, sir.... the least you can say, is "Thank You".   

In any event though....you're welcome!

/snicker

To whom, McConnell for not putting Garland up to a vote, or the Federalists for picking Gorsuch, whom Dear Leader Trump simply rubber-stamped   

[aligncare]

Big, BIG win!
There is no way that this can be understated.

Mr. Gorsuch made the difference.
and...
...Mr. Trump picked Mr. Gorsuch.

Do you think any of the other Republican candidates other than Mr. Trump (with possibly the exception of Ted Cruz) would have picked and fought for "a Gorsuch"?

I doubt it. They would have caved to democrat-communist opposition and picked someone else.

You’re right. They have a history of shying away from a fight.

Not to make excuses for them but as way of explanation, republicans really do get beat up pretty badly by the media if they dare to offer up a conservative jurist.

[Suppressed]

Seems as though it could be particularly encouraging for the future of education.  Some potentially good candidates may have been reluctant to join the profession, due to the stranglehold the union had on it and the political activities to which the had to donate, despite their personal opposition.

I don't know, though.  Many die-hard conservative teachers join NEA because of the insurance and backing of the union if someone goes after you legally. 

[Suppressed]

It's really all that matters, everything else is just noise.

REALLY?!?

wow.

[edpc]

Do you think any of the other Republican candidates other than Mr. Trump (with possibly the exception of Ted Cruz) would have picked and fought for "a Gorsuch"?

Yeah, remember all the judicial rulings Trump cited when Gorsuch was nominated and the arm twisting/log rolling he did to get him through the Senate?  Me neither.  Gorsuch was a good choice, because The Federalist Society and The Heritage Foundation did all the legwork, then McConnell nuke optioned his way through confirmation.  Nice embellishments, though.