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Man, I’m not sure I’m ready for Woke George Will. I’ve barely come to grips with the reality of Woke Bill Kristol.

I understand his disgust at the disgusting thing the GOP has become and his impulse to fire off the loudest rhetorical airhorn he can find right in its ear to try to wake it. But voting for the party of open borders and anytime abortion? Of national handgun bans?

This amounts nearly to asking that we burn the village to save it. Here's what George Will wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vote-against-the-gop-this-november/2018/06/22/a6378306-7575-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?utm_term=.4fa485a24a1d

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The congressional Republican caucuses must be substantially reduced. So substantially that their remnants, reduced to minorities, will be stripped of the Constitution’s Article I powers that they have been too invertebrate to use against the current wielder of Article II powers. They will then have leisure time to wonder why they worked so hard to achieve membership in a legislature whose unexercised muscles have atrophied because of people like them…

The Republican-controlled Congress, which waited for Trump to undo by unilateral decree the border folly they could have prevented by actually legislating, is an advertisement for the unimportance of Republican control…


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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2018, 02:58:51 pm »

A triumph of the Will? I don't think so and certainly hope not.


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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2018, 03:18:48 pm »
George knows who's buttering his bread and the butter has a cost!
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2018, 03:30:29 pm »
Further proof that there's no such thing as an "atheist conservative".

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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2018, 03:32:18 pm »
For those who are shocked and aghast whenever a post includes the suggestion that national NeverTrumps want the same decline of the US into a subpar, globalist fiefdom as do liberals, take note of Mr. George Will.   For those who may not know or remember, George Will is one of the founders and leaders of the Republican NT branch of the Trump resistance.

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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2018, 05:57:54 pm »
For those who are shocked and aghast whenever a post includes the suggestion that national NeverTrumps want the same decline of the US into a subpar, globalist fiefdom as do liberals, take note of Mr. George Will.   For those who may not know or remember, George Will is one of the founders and leaders of the Republican NT branch of the Trump resistance.

I used to think George Will was conservative.  This is beyond shocking.  It's one thing to dislike Trump ... a lot of disappointed Republicans do because Trump is not 'their guy.'  It's yet another to even suggest letting democrats regain power.

I will never trust another word he says again.
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2018, 06:30:20 pm »
I used to think George Will was conservative.  This is beyond shocking.  It's one thing to dislike Trump ... a lot of disappointed Republicans do because Trump is not 'their guy.'  It's yet another to even suggest letting democrats regain power.

I will never trust another word he says again.


2015: Will said, “The Clintons come trailing clouds of entitlement and concealment, and legalistic reasoning. They are the kind of people who could find a loophole in a stop sign. Her obvious motive was to conceal. You conceal in order to control. And that’s what makes this literally, strictly speaking, or Orwellian. In George Orwell’s novel 1984 Oceania regime, the totalitarian regime had an axiom, ‘He who controls the past controls the future. And he who controls the present controls the past.’ This is a way of controlling what we will know about the history of our country and it is deeply sinister.” http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/03/08/george-will-orwellian-hillary-deeply-sinister/

2016: George Will may well be America’s most respected conservative columnist, and in a recent column titled “If Trump is nominated GOP must keep him out of the White House” he stated that the best case outcome for Republicans and conservatives would be if Mr. Trump loses 50 states to Hillary Clinton in November. http://observer.com/2016/05/shocker-conservatives-for-clinton/

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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2018, 06:39:45 pm »
For those who may not know or remember, George Will is one of the founders and leaders of the Republican NT branch of the Trump resistance.

Will is a founder and spokesidiot of the Oligarchy's liberal takeover of what was left of Reagan's Republican party.

We now have a statist party of liberals and old Democrats in the GOP and overt Communists and Marxists Statists in the Democrat party.

Both ends intended to achieve the same goals, with slightly different emphasis on agenda items.
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2018, 09:45:14 pm »
Which country is Will referring to?
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GEORGE WILL’S MISGUIDED CASE FOR VOTING AGAINST THE GOP THIS YEAR
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2018, 10:38:42 pm »
Power Line
Paul Mirengoff
June 24, 2018

What is American conservatism? Is it an attitude, an aesthetic and/or sensibility, an approach to living? Or is it a set of policy preferences — limited government interference in our lives, lower taxes, judges who don’t invent rights, a strong military, etc.?

For me it is both. But one’s opinion as to which of these strands predominates will likely determine one’s view of President Trump.

Conservatives who view conservatism as mainly a set of policy preferences will probably be quite pleased with Trump. He has lowered taxes, cut government regulation, taken on Obamacare, appointed conservative judges, and strengthened the military.

There are other conservative policy preferences Trump has not honored, must notably free trade. But it’s unrealistic to expect a president to adopt conservative orthodoxy up and down the line.

More... http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/06/196910.php

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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2018, 10:43:44 pm »
Merged same topic.

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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2018, 10:44:51 pm »
George is becoming a little pinhead of a man, throwing temper tantrums hidden behind flower words, and flying off the rails in fits of pique.

Does the man care to realize that his own ideological cronies are more than half the problem?
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2018, 11:38:01 am »
People who insist on voting for Democrats to teach the Republicans a lesson do so when they forget what Democrats are actually capable of doing when they're in power.
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2018, 12:02:13 pm »
Frankly, kick 'em all out and pick from the phone book at random, and you'd likely get as good or better Congress.
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2018, 12:06:27 pm »
Frankly, kick 'em all out and pick from the phone book at random, and you'd likely get as good or better Congress.

I've been in favor of that for years.
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2018, 12:07:50 pm »
People who insist on voting for Democrats to teach the Republicans a lesson do so when they forget what Democrats are actually capable of doing when they're in power.

The worst thing about that strategy is that no discernable lesson is taught, or is learned.

The people you'd need to convince by such a strategy aren't the politicians, but the voters who choose which Republican is the nominee in a particular race.  And I've yet to meet a voter who said "I'm going to vote differently next time because the guy I liked in the primary lost the general election."

Plus, in virtually every case, there are far too many opinions as to why a particular candidate lost for any particular "lesson" to be taught.  Every time a Republican loses in a general election, you have some people who think "he lost the support of the base because he wasn't conservative enough", and others who believe "he chased away swing voters because was too conservative".  So a loss caused by people abstaining doesn't necessarily push the next candidate in the direction desired by the voter who abstained, because there is never policy-based agreement as to why he lost.

If someone abstains because they simply want the guy to lose, that's rational.  Abstaining because you want to "send a message" isn't.

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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2018, 12:25:15 pm »
The worst thing about that strategy is that no discernable lesson is taught, or is learned.

The people you'd need to convince by such a strategy aren't the politicians, but the voters who choose which Republican is the nominee in a particular race.  And I've yet to meet a voter who said "I'm going to vote differently next time because the guy I liked in the primary lost the general election."

Plus, in virtually every case, there are far too many opinions as to why a particular candidate lost for any particular "lesson" to be taught.  Every time a Republican loses in a general election, you have some people who think "he lost the support of the base because he wasn't conservative enough", and others who believe "he chased away swing voters because was too conservative".  So a loss caused by people abstaining doesn't necessarily push the next candidate in the direction desired by the voter who abstained, because there is never policy-based agreement as to why he lost.

If someone abstains because they simply want the guy to lose, that's rational.  Abstaining because you want to "send a message" isn't.
You have a point. The consistent leftward drift in the GOP has been because of the interpretation of the 'message' as one of being too Conservative. The result has been one of Conservatives eventually realizing they don't have a dog in this fight any more, and the policies become ever more Liberal.

Third Party doesn't help much, at least not yet, possibly not ever, partly because of the serious false dichotomy ingrained in the national normalcy bias when it comes to electoral politics, and partly because some of the third parties are just leftwing kooks who want their particular vice legalized.

In the midst of that clamor, it is difficult to hear the voice of those who simply want a return to our Constitutional Republic, and the uberliberal MSM will make sure that message is drowned out or obscured, favoring their spin on things. Anyone in power is immediately threatened by any workable alternative, especially those in the allegedly conservative GOP, and will work arm in arm with the media to further marginalize any other voices.

I cast my ballot on principle when I think it will not lead to absolute disaster by enabling the antithesis to those principles to obtain power, but I am under no delusions that any message regarding the liberal drift of the GOP is getting through. The GOP is not tuned to that frequency, instead seeking (delusionally) to mollify invading socialists and other 'special interest' groups in the quest for the votes they have abandoned.

To give President Trump credit, at least he has made a show of appearing to put America first, which has even the GOP in disarray, because they were heading in the opposite direction. Since I am no clairvoyant, nor prophet, we'll see how that works out. My concern, ever, has been that in the backlash to liberal policy, the battle frames out between nationalists and globalists, without regard for our Constitution.
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2018, 01:32:37 pm »
Frankly, kick 'em all out and pick from the phone book at random, and you'd likely get as good or better Congress.

Joe, I share your feelings on the matter, but question the method.  I was flipping through channels last week and chanced upon "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire?".   Lots of seemingly intelligent people who were very motivated to provide correct answers to questions.  They were good at calculating numbers, for  dates, percentages etc.  But, absolutely clueless about history and current events.  Barry Goldwater was a democrat; no idea that Nixon had been a VP, not sure how our system of government works, and on and on.  I actually watched 2 of the shows because I was fascinated by their knowledge set.  They knew who sang what recent song, but couldn't tell you who runs the government.  You ought to watch it sometime - it might change your opinion about "the common man".

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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2018, 02:13:04 pm »
Frankly, kick 'em all out and pick from the phone book at random, and you'd likely get as good or better Congress.

Word.  Congress-critters are no different from actors.  They always get a re-take or do-over on anything they do, they are never subject to the consequences of their actions, and their decisions are diluted among the performances or votes of their colleagues.
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2018, 02:41:10 pm »
Frankly, kick 'em all out and pick from the phone book at random, and you'd likely get as good or better Congress.

It really depends on which community's phone book you choose. I'm not so optimistic about big cities in California.

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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2018, 02:43:56 pm »
It really depends on which community's phone book you choose. I'm not so optimistic about big cities in California.


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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2018, 05:26:04 pm »
The consistent leftward drift in the GOP has been because of the interpretation of the 'message' as one of being too Conservative. The result has been one of Conservatives eventually realizing they don't have a dog in this fight any more, and the policies become ever more Liberal.

Third Party doesn't help much, at least not yet, possibly not ever, partly because of the serious false dichotomy ingrained in the national normalcy bias when it comes to electoral politics, and partly because some of the third parties are just leftwing kooks who want their particular vice legalized.

In the midst of that clamor, it is difficult to hear the voice of those who simply want a return to our Constitutional Republic, and the uberliberal MSM will make sure that message is drowned out or obscured, favoring their spin on things. Anyone in power is immediately threatened by any workable alternative, especially those in the allegedly conservative GOP, and will work arm in arm with the media to further marginalize any other voices.

I cast my ballot on principle when I think it will not lead to absolute disaster by enabling the antithesis to those principles to obtain power, but I am under no delusions that any message regarding the liberal drift of the GOP is getting through. The GOP is not tuned to that frequency, instead seeking (delusionally) to mollify invading socialists and other 'special interest' groups in the quest for the votes they have abandoned.


Amen Joe.  Some of us are of the same discernment and mindset to the annoyance of others who think politics is just another sporting event to cheerlead and play fantasy betting games with.

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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2018, 05:31:35 pm »
George is becoming a little pinhead of a man, throwing temper tantrums hidden behind flower words, and flying off the rails in fits of pique.

Does the man care to realize that his own ideological cronies are more than half the problem?

Just another victim of Trump derangement syndrome. But I still can't fathom any sane person urging people to vote for the soulless party that the democrats have become.
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2018, 07:31:57 pm »
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Re: George Will: Vote Democrat This Fall If You Care About Your Country
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2018, 07:45:56 pm »
George is becoming a little pinhead of a man, throwing temper tantrums hidden behind flower words, and flying off the rails in fits of pique.

Does the man care to realize that his own ideological cronies are more than half the problem?

@Free Vulcan I'm not sure if Will has ever been an ideological "crony" of Conservatives. 

He's always been more of a Rockefeller Republican.  His thought process isn't exactly new or related to Trump.

He was the one that coined the phrase "Kamikaze Conservatives" when Regan was running in 1980 as a derogatory term for Conservatives that supported Reagan.
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