Ted Cruz introduces legislation to keep immigrant families together after they cross the border

[Mod1]

Please discuss the topic without resorting to personal attacks and vulgarities directed to other members. Thank you.

[INVAR]

I'm not suggesting an open door,

Who do you think you are attempting to deceive here?  Yes you are.

the attitude of so many here toward migrants is unremittingly hostile

Rightfully so.  They ignore our laws sneaking in here, drink and drive, kill our citizens with impunity, steal, rob and squat in a nation they intend to reconquinista - all while WE have to pay for their subsistence here.

as if we cannot afford in this rich and prosperous country to cut at least some of these courageous folks a break.

Well then YOU give them a break with your own money and stop using our money to make yourself feel magnanimous.

By the very fact they have risked their lives and fortunes to get to America, they have demonstrated the sort of character that strikes me as good for America

So has Jihad Johnny.  And of course you would suggest that just because people do all they can to come get free handouts and a life provided for by the working citizens they intend to kill or replace, that they are 'good for America'.

[Jazzhead]

Those responses are pathetic, INVAR.   These folks seeking asylum from South and Central America are Christians, you know.   

[RoosGirl]

Those responses are pathetic, INVAR.   These folks seeking asylum from South and Central America are Christians, you know.

Speaking of pathetic attempts.

[Cyber Liberty]

Those responses are pathetic, INVAR.   These folks seeking asylum from South and Central America are Christians, you know.

They're breaking our laws by the hundreds of thousands, you know.  That's beyond the border jumping, they're murdering people too.

[Restored]

Those responses are pathetic, INVAR.   These folks seeking asylum from South and Central America are Christians, you know.

What does that have to do with anything? Christians are sending people to their country to do mission work. Why are they coming here when there is work to be done at home? They are not coming here for religious freedom. They are coming here for money.

If they are such good Christians, why aren't they obeying the law?

[txradioguy]

Those responses are pathetic, INVAR.   These folks seeking asylum from South and Central America are Christians, you know.

Being poor isn't a cause for Asylum.  There are no civil wars in Central America right now that would justify asylum.

About the ONLY country right now we should consider taking asylum seekers from is Venezuela because thanks to Maduro the people of that country ARE being repressed and abused.

[SirLinksALot]

Those responses are pathetic, INVAR.   These folks seeking asylum from South and Central America are Christians, you know.

OK, let me find out what you really want -- How many of these "asylum seekers" ( Note the quotes ) do you want America to accept?

Let me start with a number from a crime infested country like Honduras. Are you willing for our country to accept at least HALF of their 10 million population?

[Cyber Liberty]

OK, let me find out what you really want -- How many of these "asylum seekers" ( Note the quotes ) do you want America to accept?

Let me start with a number from a crime infested country like Honduras. Are you willing for our country to accept at least HALF of their 10 million population?

I am amused by the "let 'em all in" attitude of people who live in the North East.  They don't have to pay any of the human costs like people in the border states have to.  Spending other peoples lives comes as easily as spending other peoples money.

[mountaineer]

  These folks seeking asylum from South and Central America are Christians, you know.

You don't know that without asking them. Coming from a predominantly Christian country doesn't not automatically make one a Christian. Same goes for Americans.

[Cyber Liberty]

You don't know that without asking them. Coming from a predominantly Christian country doesn't not automatically make one a Christian. Same goes for Americans.

Murdering and conquering aren't typical "Christian values" that I recognize.

[XenaLee]

Those responses are pathetic, INVAR.   These folks seeking asylum from South and Central America are Christians, you know.

Then.... by your previous posts and ""logic"".... you should be against them all coming to America.  Odd that you're not.  Could it be.... perhaps.... that you know that what you just stated is yet another inaccurate claim? 

[XenaLee]

Murdering and conquering aren't typical "Christian values" that I recognize.

Putting your children in danger isn't either.  Kidnapping and using someone else's children just to gain entry into another country isn't either.  Belonging to a murderous, raping, thieving gang isn't either.  As usual... he is FOS.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

I give you credit for being more honest than most - you acknowledge that the problem you have with immigration is that the faces are brown.   

And I give you credit and acknowledge the fact that you are full of shit. I am 1/4 American Indian,and have nephews whose father came from Mexico.

In FACT,not only are you full of shit,you are a racist because that is the first thing that popped into your programmed head.

Guess what,Bubba. Americans come in all colors.

America needs immigrants to grow and to keep the economy humming.   (In a story posted on the board this morning, whites in America are dying faster then they're being born.)

Once more you have proven you are a blockhead with programmed thinking. Fewer Americans being born is a GOOD thing in a future world of more automation and fewer jobs. This is the major reason we need to keep the illiterate and untrained out of America. We already have a full complement of native-born Americans that are illiterate and untrained that need the menial jobs.

Of course I'm advocating increased legal immigration,

WHY? Other than your programmed kneejerk reaction,that is.

not the illegal kind.   As for enforcing the law,  let's drill down and understand that the solutions depend on the kind of "illegals" we're talking about.   "Illegals" fall into three broad categories:

WRONG! The fall into ONE category. They are all criminals.

The third category is the one that's at the heart of the current crisis, because the Trump administration wants to treat asylum seekers as criminals,

 

Ok,I am going to use small words,so try to follow along. They ARE criminals if they are here illegally. Is that REALLY such a hard concept for you to understand?

But cutting to the chase, why do so many "conservatives" refuse to recognize the humanity of folks from South and Central America -  Catholics, not Muslims -  fleeing chaos and oppression and risking everything to get to America?   I'm not suggesting an open door,

Yes,you are because even though you probably won't even admit this to yourself,you want the US to prove they are criminals instead of requiring THEM to prove they are not criminals. AND.....,if you come here without permission and sneak across our borders to steal jobs from actual citizens,you ARE a freaking criminal!

but the attitude of so many here toward migrants is unremittingly hostile,  as if we cannot afford in this rich and prosperous country to cut at least some of these courageous folks a break.

"Courageous" my big red ass! If these losers were courageous they would stay home to take up rifles and change their corrupt governments,not come here and try to corrupt ours any further than it is already corrupted. 

By the very fact they have risked their lives and fortunes to get to America, they have demonstrated the sort of character that strikes me as good for America - the kind of drive and ambition that spurred our own ancestors (my grandparents, in my case) to leave their shithole countries and start new lives.  Lives that, especially when the first generation becomes the second and third,  produce good, solid American citizens.   

   

<NOPE>

Quit with the personal insults.

[GrouchoTex]

We can tell some of our Briefer friends that do not live in a border state or the Southwest somewhere, just what is going on.
We can tell them how the media isn't reporting things we know.
We can tell them that the new brand of "Asylum" seeker isn't seeking asylum, until they are apprehended, and that they are well rehearsed in exactly what to say when captured.
we can show them how on several occasions, that jihadist have tried to come in illegally through the southern border.
We can show them all the local state and federal crime statistics to back up our claims.
We can take racism out of the equation, and show them how we live quite well with our neighbors whose heritage is from places south of our southern border, thank you very much.

Yet, it is as if we are talking to a wall (one that hasn't been built yet, but needs to be).

They refuse to believe that this time, and probably for at least a decade or more, that the answers to the issues on our Southern border will not be found in some Emma Lazarus poem.

[sneakypete]

I am amused by the "let 'em all in" attitude of people who live in the North East.  They don't have to pay any of the human costs like people in the border states have to.  Spending other peoples lives comes as easily as spending other peoples money.

@Cyber Liberty

Most see them as cheap domestic help they can abuse,or cheap construction workers they don't have to pay benefits to employ. THOSE are the people wanting more illegals in the country made legal.

[sneakypete]

Murdering and conquering aren't typical "Christian values" that I recognize.

@Cyber Liberty

SERIOUSLY? Have you never heard of a book called "The Bible"?

[dfwgator]

The typical illegal has the attitude of "F You and your Immigration Laws, You Stole this land from us and we have the Right to be here."

I have never understood this mentality.

Exactly who owned what in this sparse continent before the White men came in the 15th century?

Did any Indian or native lay claim to property X in North America and said "This is mine"?

[GrouchoTex]

@Cyber Liberty

Most see them as cheap domestic help they can abuse,or cheap construction workers they don't have to pay benefits to employ. THOSE are the people wanting more illegals in the country made legal.

True, and I will go one step further.
They really don't care if they become legal or not.
They just want us who foot the bill to leave them alone, so their cheap and abused labor source won't get sent home.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

SERIOUSLY? Have you never heard of a book called "The Bible"?

Murdering and conquering my be "biblical" (Old Testament) but it isn't "Christian" (New Testament).  Seriously.

[jpsb]

The typical illegal has the attitude of "F You and your Immigration Laws, You Stole this land from us and we have the Right to be here."

The only peoples that might be able to make that claim (at least as far as Texas is concerned) are
the Comanche and the Apache. Both pretty much did not allow the white man to live here until Austin
led the Americans here in the 1825.

[SirLinksALot]

I am amused by the "let 'em all in" attitude of people who live in the North East.  They don't have to pay any of the human costs like people in the border states have to.  Spending other peoples lives comes as easily as spending other peoples money.

Well, I am a Northeasterner (Long Island, New York). I can tell you this -- we used to be one of the most peaceful counties in the east. That all changed in 2014 when Obama took in thousands of young kids and placed them in among all places, the suburbs of Long Island (Brentwood being the foremost).

Soon after that, we get news of MS-13 gang killings almost every week. Guess who the victims are? MOSTLY HISPANICS !!

It became so bad that Trump and Sessions had to fly to Long Island more than once to assure residents that something will be done.

I for one don't want to "let them all in".

[Suppressed]

Those responses are pathetic, INVAR.   These folks seeking asylum from South and Central America are Christians, you know.

Why didn't they seek asylum in Mexico?

Oh, because they're not seeking asylum from oppression.  They're looking for a sugar daddy.

[dfwgator]

Why didn't they seek asylum in Mexico?

Oh, because they're not seeking asylum from oppression.  They're looking for a sugar daddy.

 

[GrouchoTex]

Well, I am a Northeasterner (Long Island, New York). I can tell you this -- we used to be one of the most peaceful counties in the east. That all changed in 2014 when Obama took in thousands of young kids and placed them in among all places, the suburbs of Long Island (Brentwood being the foremost).

Soon after that, we get news of MS-13 gang killings almost every week. Guess who the victims are? MOSTLY HISPANICS !!

It became so bad that Trump and Sessions had to fly to Long Island more than once to assure residents that something will be done.

I for one don't want to "let them all in".

You are also bringing up another dirty little secret.
Those who come here illegally that are criminals will prey on other illegals who are not.
They have no fear of being turned in, because those that would do so, fear that they would be deported.
Yet, another good reason to stop the inhumane practice of illegal immigration.