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Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« on: June 08, 2018, 01:17:25 pm »
Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
By Max Greenwood - 06/08/18 08:48 AM EDT

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President Trump said on Friday that he may pardon the late boxing champion Muhammad Ali.

Speaking to reporters outside the White House as he prepared to leave for the Group of Seven Summit in Quebec, Trump said he was thinking about pardoning someone who was "not very popular."

"He was not very popular then; his memory is very popular now. I'm thinking about Muhammad Ali," Trump said. "I'm thinking about that very seriously."

Ali refused to be inducted into the U.S. military in 1967 during the Vietnam War, citing religious objections. As a result, he was stripped of his heavyweight title, charged with draft evasion and sentenced to five years in prison.

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2018, 01:21:16 pm »
Jimmah "the peanut" Carter pardoned all the draft dodgers who went to Canada to escape service.  Why not pardon Ali who stayed in the country and fought induction.    Not saying it was right.  Just saying
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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2018, 02:04:13 pm »
This was his biggest crime....


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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2018, 02:07:03 pm »
Jimmah "the peanut" Carter pardoned all the draft dodgers who went to Canada to escape service.  Why not pardon Ali who stayed in the country and fought induction.    Not saying it was right.  Just saying

Not only that, didn't the Supreme Court overturn his conviction already?

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2018, 03:14:35 pm »
Maybe it’s just the warm fuzzies I get on recalling my youth but I have a soft spot for Mohammed Ali. 1967, the year Ali refused army induction, I was only 16 and politically naïve and yet I was protesting Vietnam.

A charismatic art teacher at my high school used to invite a select few students to Sunday brunches at his house in upscale Manhattan Beach, Brooklyn, where he held “rap sessions.” I was one of the kids. There were talks about art, theater, “the man,” “free thought,” “sexual liberation,” “US police action in Vietnam.” (Only after did I recognize what he was doing as political indoctrination)

Soon I found myself joining rallies and “spontaneous” anti-war protests on college campuses around NYC. In the mean time, Mohammed Ali was all over the news refusing to go to war. I guess I became simpatico with him.

But, despite all that (and all the cream cheese, bagels and lox Mr. Gershowitz served at his off campus “art” discussions) I soon joined the Air Force and did a tour in VN – something I wouldn’t trade for anything.

You could say I looked at life from both sides then.


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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2018, 03:17:40 pm »
I will say this. At least Ali did it while LBJ was still in office, unlike most liberals who only came out against the war when Nixon became President.

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2018, 03:18:43 pm »
You could say I looked at life from both sides then.


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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2018, 03:18:55 pm »
This was his biggest crime....


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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2018, 03:22:52 pm »
Jimmah "the peanut" Carter pardoned all the draft dodgers who went to Canada to escape service.  Why not pardon Ali who stayed in the country and fought induction.    Not saying it was right.  Just saying

That's a good point.  I still don't agree with Carter's action, but it's a historical fact.  Doesn't make sense for Ali to to have it worse than they did.

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2018, 03:33:33 pm »

Joni Mitchell may owe you some songwriter’s credit and royalties.

I always find the perception funny. Most associate Vietnam with Nixon but it was Kennedy who started it, LBJ who escalated it, and Nixon who ended it.

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2018, 03:35:17 pm »
I always find the perception funny. Most associate Vietnam with Nixon but it was Kennedy who started it, LBJ who escalated it, and Nixon who ended it.

Actually Ike started it by sending the advisors there. 

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2018, 03:35:29 pm »
Not only that, didn't the Supreme Court overturn his conviction already?

Yes.

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2018, 05:12:14 pm »
Not only that, didn't the Supreme Court overturn his conviction already?

Just saw this:

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Ali's attorney, Ron Tweel, responded to the President's gesture in a statement Friday.

"We appreciate President Trump's sentiment, but a pardon is unnecessary," the statement said. "The U.S. Supreme Court overturned the conviction of Muhammad Ali in a unanimous decision in 1971. There is no conviction from which a pardon is needed."
"I'm a man, but I changed, because I had to. Oh well."

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2018, 09:57:58 pm »
Just saw this:

Ali's attorney, Ron Tweel, responded to the President's gesture in a statement Friday.

"We appreciate President Trump's sentiment, but a pardon is unnecessary," the statement said. "The U.S. Supreme Court overturned the conviction of Muhammad Ali in a unanimous decision in 1971. There is no conviction from which a pardon is needed."


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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2018, 10:22:45 pm »
Derp

I am unfamiliar with that term. 
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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2018, 10:34:51 pm »
I am unfamiliar with that term.

derp
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    used as a substitute for speech regarded as meaningless or stupid, or to comment on a foolish or stupid action.


Cannot believe I have to explain this to Mr. Douche Canoe
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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2018, 10:42:12 pm »
derp
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    used as a substitute for speech regarded as meaningless or stupid, or to comment on a foolish or stupid action.


Cannot believe I have to explain this to Mr. Douche Canoe

I have lived a sheltered life.  Derp free you might even say.  This is why I turn to you.
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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2018, 10:44:51 pm »
I have lived a sheltered life.  Derp free you might even say.  This is why I turn to you.

Happy to edumacate you, of course the 'derp' was not aimed at you.  I am definitely not derp-free.
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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2018, 10:46:49 pm »
Happy to edumacate you, of course the 'derp' was not aimed at you.  I am definitely not derp-free.

Maybe not.  But that paddle from my canoe sure was!
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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2018, 10:50:53 pm »
Maybe not.  But that paddle from my canoe sure was!

Are you not he who introduced this forum to the term?

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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2018, 10:56:42 pm »
Are you not he who introduced this forum to the term?

What are you an elephant or just the unofficial TBR Historian? :beer:
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2018, 11:05:22 pm »
What are you an elephant or just the unofficial TBR Historian? :beer:

Like I told someone else, I have an astonishing capacity for absolutely useless information.

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Muhammad Ali
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2018, 11:14:16 pm »
Like I told someone else, I have an astonishing capacity for absolutely useless information.

Don't get her started.
Especially about pecan groves. Its long, but it's a chickenshit story.

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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2018, 11:31:38 pm »
Don't get her started.
Especially about pecan groves. Its long, but it's a chickenshit story.

 :laugh:

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