New York Time: Democrats and NeverTrumpers “Quietly Align” to Meet, Scheme Ways of Defeating Republi

[txradioguy]

   Simply @Emjay telling anyone what they want to hear even if they are diametrically opposed to whatever principles you may/may not hold just to win votes, a personality trait inherent in most all Politicians.   
   William Jennings Bryan and the Kingfish, Huey P Long quickly come to my mind.

Ross Perot and the Occupy movement are two other examples.

[driftdiver]

Uh, nope.  Never did that.  But thanks for playing.  We have some wonderful consolation prizes for you.  Tell him what he's won, Don.


As do I.  But I will not support him when he does liberal things.  I refuse to compromise my principles when he supports trade tariffs, or when he removes even more people from the tax roles, or when he signs budgets with trillion dollar deficits, or when he supports amnesty.  Capisce?  You are free to support him no matter what liberal position he takes.  But please don't lie about me being a Never Trumper simply because I refuse to sign on.

Doublespeak is the hallmark of a closet leftist.   Capisce?

[driftdiver]

Ross Perot and the Occupy movement are two other examples.

Andrew Jackson, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, & James Madison are a few more examples of people who played politics.

[Hoodat]

Doublespeak is the hallmark of a closet leftist.   Capisce?

The only thing missing here is any evidence at all that shows I said what you claim I said.  Short of that, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you are a liar.

[driftdiver]

The only thing missing here is any evidence at all that shows I said what you claim I said.  Short of that, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you are a liar.

@Hoodat
So you jump from making broad sweeping generalizations against anyone who supports Trump to making personal insults.

A goodfellow you are not.

Typical of NTs.

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat
So you jump from making broad sweeping generalizations against anyone who supports Trump to making personal insults.

A goodfellow you are not.

Typical of NTs.

QED

[Hoodat]

@driftdiver

Let's take a look again, shall we?  Here is your statement:

Yet you have no problem lumping anyone who says anything positive about this administration as an evil AT who has compromised their entire moral code and who cannot think critically.

As someone who has said many positive things about Trump on this forum, who has come to his defense numerous times, and who has started threads supporting him against his attackers, I find your statement utterly preposterous.  And the fact that you doubled down on it knowing full well that you did not have a shred of evidence to support it shows that you are an enemy of truth.  Yet I'm the name caller here?  lol

I am opposed to NTs as well as ATs.  But I am sick and tired of being labeled a NT simply because I refuse to be an AT. 

As for you, I don't recall you ever offering criticism for anything Trump has said.  Yet I recall countless times where you have attacked someone who did.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

Let's take a look again, shall we?  Here is your statement:

As someone who has said many positive things about Trump on this forum, who has come to his defense numerous times, and who has started threads supporting him against his attackers, I find your statement utterly preposterous.  And the fact that you doubled down on it knowing full well that you did not have a shred of evidence to support it shows that you are an enemy of truth.  Yet I'm the name caller here?  lol

I am opposed to NTs as well as ATs.  But I am sick and tired of being labeled a NT simply because I refuse to be an AT. 

As for you, I don't recall you ever offering criticism for anything Trump has said.  Yet I recall countless times where you have attacked someone who did.

@Hoodat
And yet you freely lump all ATs in the same bucket.

awww seems the arrow hit a bullseye and caused some consternation, literally some wailing and gnashing of teeth

I've criticized Trump on many occasions.  So I guess that makes you a liar.

good bye

[Emjay]

As do I.  But I will not support him when he does liberal things.  I refuse to compromise my principles when he supports trade tariffs, or when he removes even more people from the tax roles, or when he signs budgets with trillion dollar deficits, or when he supports amnesty.  Capisce?  You are free to support him no matter what liberal position he takes.  But please don't lie about me being a Never Trumper simply because I refuse to sign on.

Er, I prefer 'get it.'  But trade tariffs are supported by a lot of people for various reasons.  I would not call it liberal.  I would call it a difference of opinion on how to resolve the trade imbalance.  That budget wasn't perfect, but it was good.  And you know what perfect is the enemy of?  I thought you did.  And when has he supported amnesty?

I would not call you a Never Trumper, but I would call you someone who harbors enough dislike of Trump to cause you to see liberalism where none exists.  Capisce?

[INVAR]

Conservatives failed, and not just a little bit, no they failed miserably. 

No.  REPUBLICANS FAILED.

Conservatives never had a chance, and when they take one - their party leadership cuts their legs out from under them.

You know, once upon a time it used to be said that Conservatism works everytime it is tried.  Now, even the person who promoted the phrase no longer believes that, because they decided that a lifelong Liberal NYC Democrat Bulldozer is better.

Too many conservatives think they can win using common sense and logic.   Then they attack anyone who disagrees with them.  Anything that hints at compromise  is denounced as it must be "pure" or it is evil and they'd rather lose then accept a partial win.

We have already compromised ourselves into a Socialist State that both parties advocate for.  The fact you people are demanding that more compromise is needed with Democrats in order to 'win' is exactly what the GOP establishment is already doing.  The only difference is that you people have decided to make a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat your standard-bearer that you people demand everyone support and follow or get labelled an enemy of the state or a Taliban Jihadist according to your compatriots here.

Meanwhile conservatives are stabbing each other in the back because they aren't pure enough.

We have 30-plus years of compromise with liberals in both parties that we campaigned and voted for with zilch to show for it in terms of slowing or stopping the country from becoming what it is now. 

Precisely because we refused to insist on actual Conservatism and continued voting for liberals because... pragmatism and all that.

So you can continue to ridicule the rest of us for 'purity' all you like.   We just laugh at you, because we're done supporting liberalism while lying to ourselves that this is what it takes to move the country to the right.

You can call that puritanical and evil as the day is long.  We no longer care what you people think.

[driftdiver]

Er, I prefer 'get it.'  But trade tariffs are supported by a lot of people for various reasons.  I would not call it liberal.  I would call it a difference of opinion on how to resolve the trade imbalance.  That budget wasn't perfect, but it was good.  And you know what perfect is the enemy of?  I thought you did.  And when has he supported amnesty?

I would not call you a Never Trumper, but I would call you someone who harbors enough dislike of Trump to cause you to see liberalism where none exists.  Capisce?

@Emjay
I think tariffs are bad as well.  However, I think Trump is using them to gain leverage.  Otherwise China will just ignore any attempts to renegotiate trade agreements.  I'd wager they'll be gone in a year or less.

[driftdiver]

No.  REPUBLICANS FAILED.

Conservatives never had a chance, and when they take one - their party leadership cuts their legs out from under them.

You know, once upon a time it used to be said that Conservatism works everytime it is tried.  Now, even the person who promoted the phrase no longer believes that, because they decided that a lifelong Liberal NYC Democrat Bulldozer is better.

We have already compromised ourselves into a Socialist State that both parties advocate for.  The fact you people are demanding that more compromise is needed with Democrats in order to 'win' is exactly what the GOP establishment is already doing.  The only difference is that you people have decided to make a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat your standard-bearer that you people demand everyone support and follow or get labelled an enemy of the state or a Taliban Jihadist according to your compatriots here.

We have 30-plus years of compromise with liberals in both parties that we campaigned and voted for with zilch to show for it in terms of slowing or stopping the country from becoming what it is now. 

Precisely because we refused to insist on actual Conservatism and continued voting for liberals because... pragmatism and all that.

So you can continue to ridicule the rest of us for 'purity' all you like.   We just laugh at you, because we're done supporting liberalism while lying to ourselves that this is what it takes to move the country to the right.

You can call that puritanical and evil as the day is long.  We no longer care what you people think.

@INVAR
Conservatives failed.  The "real" conservatives have been telling everyone they have the best plan for decades and yet when it comes to wielding political power they are inept and impotent.  Thats FAILURE.

If the conservatives had some political clout then the Republicans would listen, heck they'd be slobbering all over Conservatives to get a leg up.

BTW the battle isn't Republicans vs Democrats.   Its globalists vs nationalists. 

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat
And yet you freely lump all ATs in the same bucket.

Looking back at my actual words in previous posts, the only 'bucket' I labeled ATs in was in regard to adopting the logical fallacy that anyone who was not AT was thus NT.  You were never never singled out, much less even mentioned.  Yet you spring forward leveling a false accusation against me - one which you refuse to retract - and then culminating by calling me 'NT'.

Priceless.

[Emjay]

No.  REPUBLICANS FAILED.

So you can continue to ridicule the rest of us for 'purity' all you like.   We just laugh at you, because we're done supporting liberalism while lying to ourselves that this is what it takes to move the country to the right.

You can call that puritanical and evil as the day is long.  We no longer care what you people think.

@INVAR   I call it hopelessly negative.  Who are 'you people' and who are 'we?'   I hope 'we' are few in the sense you use it because that would require curling up and dying while clutching purity to your breasts. 

We are in the process of getting the country back and all you can do is whine.

[Hoodat]

I would call it a difference of opinion on how to resolve the trade imbalance.

The trade imbalance isn't a problem.  Never was.  All those dollars that go overseas end up being invested back into the US.

That budget wasn't perfect, but it was good.

That budget sucked.  It almost doubled the deficit over Obama's last budget, gave Planned Parenthood half a billion dollars to keep its abortion clinics open, and did not cut spending in a single department.  It gave the Democrats everything they asked for, and more.  And no amount of Trump love is going to make that pill easy to swallow.

And when has he supported amnesty?

He campaigned on it.  He has also offered support for DACA as a political carrot.

I would not call you a Never Trumper, but I would call you someone who harbors enough dislike of Trump to cause you to see liberalism where none exists.  Capisce?

I have grown to like and appreciate Trump.  Which is why I resent the hell out of being called NT simply because I don't agree with the positions listed above.  I am not going to sugar coat tariffs as something good.  Ever.  They're not. 

I don't have a problem with calling it as it is. 

[INVAR]

@INVAR   I call it hopelessly negative.  Who are 'you people' and who are 'we?'   I hope 'we' are few in the sense you use it because that would require curling up and dying while clutching purity to your breasts. 

We are in the process of getting the country back and all you can do is whine.

I thought you decided to put me on Ignore for your mental well-being? 

The only thing you are 'getting back' is a bigger, more intrusive Federal Beast that spent 1.5 Trillion to fund the entirety of the Democrat Agenda along with an additional 1.4 Trillion in military spending for the next two years your leader signed on February 9th.  Almost 3 Trillion in money we do not have that we borrowed in debt from our grandchildren and great grandchildren if not for generations to come.

You are not doing jack shit to get the country back.  All that is being 'done' is demanding everyone vote for the bigger bulldozer to punish those you want put in their place.  That's it.  Which given the amazing synchronicity of this week's talking points, would indicate that referencing you all as the Mob is appropriate:

Doublespeak is the hallmark of a closet leftist.   Capisce?

I would not call you a Never Trumper, but I would call you someone who harbors enough dislike of Trump to cause you to see liberalism where none exists.  Capisce?

Apparently the Trump Faithful have decided that you see yourselves as the Sopranos and that using Mob-tactics is the way we need to go.

Mussolini would be so proud.

[INVAR]

Conservatives failed.  The "real" conservatives have been telling everyone they have the best plan for decades and yet when it comes to wielding political power they are inept and impotent.  Thats FAILURE.

If the conservatives had some political clout then the Republicans would listen, heck they'd be slobbering all over Conservatives to get a leg up.

I admit I was wrong.

You are not as smart as I thought you were.

[driftdiver]

I thought you decided to put me on Ignore for your mental well-being? 

The only thing you are 'getting back' is a bigger, more intrusive Federal Beast that spent 1.5 Trillion to fund the entirety of the Democrat Agenda along with an additional 1.4 Trillion in military spending for the next two years your leader signed on February 9th.  Almost 3 Trillion in money we do not have that we borrowed in debt from our grandchildren and great grandchildren if not for generations to come.

You are not doing jack shit to get the country back.  All that is being 'done' is demanding everyone vote for the bigger bulldozer to punish those you want put in their place.  That's it.  Which given the amazing synchronicity of this week's talking points, would indicate that referencing you all as the Mob is appropriate:

Apparently the Trump Faithful have decided that you see yourselves as the Sopranos and that using Mob-tactics is the way we need to go.

Mussolini would be so proud.

@INVAR
Once again you are wrong, many how can you take being wrong so much of the time?

Capice was used by @Hoodat in a condescending and insulting manner.  Hence he got it thrown right back at him.

[driftdiver]

I admit I was wrong.

You are not as smart as I thought you were.

@INVAR
And here I was sitting around waiting for  you to acknowledge my gigantic mental prowess.   

Darn

Darn darn darn

[Free Vulcan]

I'm inadvertedly starting to feel like this girl for posting this thread.

[INVAR]

@INVAR
Once again you are wrong, many how can you take being wrong so much of the time?

So according to you then -  Trump did not sign two 700-plus BILLION dollar military spending authorizations for the next two years (30 million more than the Pentagon asked for) on February 9th of this year - and did not sign a 1.3 Trillion Dollar budget in March?  3 Trillion in spending that we do not have that was simply deficit spent??

How am I wrong exactly?  Did Trump sign those spending authorizations or not?

I'm not interested in any silly Trumpsplaining you want to engage in, it is a yes or no question.  Not 'but's.  Yes, or no.

But somehow - in your twisted universe - that observation is wrong according to you.

How wonderfully typical.

[Hoodat]

@INVAR
Once again you are wrong, many how can you take being wrong so much of the time?

Capice was used by @Hoodat in a condescending and insulting manner.  Hence he got it thrown right back at him.

Apparently, saying the word 'understand' in Italian is now equivalent to using mob tactics.

[INVAR]

Apparently, saying the word 'understand' in Italian is now equivalent to using mob tactics.

I threw it right back in the manner they tossed it at you.

However, it is a word that is being used a whole lot more among Trump aficionados of late.  You know, the ones who admit that they like shoving our faces in Trump every day.

[driftdiver]

Apparently, saying the word 'understand' in Italian is now equivalent to using mob tactics.

@Hoodat
1.  I didn't introduce the word 'mob'
2.  typically the word is not commonly used as a replacement for 'understand'.   When its used in conjunction with english it is generally understood to be demeaning and condescending.  unless of course it is used among friends
3.  When the word is used in conjunction with english it does generally carry mob connotations.

[driftdiver]

I threw it right back in the manner they tossed it at you.

However, it is a word that is being used a whole lot more among Trump aficionados of late.  You know, the ones who admit that they like shoving our faces in Trump every day.

@INVAR
Oh gosh the irony!!!!!!!!!!!!!   @Hoodat used it