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[Mesaclone]

Really?  When did Trump make that happen?

1.5 $TRILLION in deficit spending that Trump signed to fully fund the Leftist agenda says your statement is beyond empty. He funded our military...there weren't sufficient conservative votes to pass a balanced budget so that was not up to him.

I also do not think you Trumsplicans actually want Government shoved back into the role the Founders intended it to be.  I think all you people really want is someone to fight and punish those you hate using his office to do it. Maybe "thinking" isn't your thing. In just two sentences, you were wrong at least 4 different times...not good.

Well, it began on Jan 21st 2017 within his first 12 hours in office....And now that he’s President Trump, he has kept his promise. In his first 12 hours as president of the United States, Trump signed a whole ream of executive orders. Most of them are procedural, involving his cabinet picks, but a couple have powerful implications for American citizens. One of these executive orders begins Trump’s rollback of the Affordable Care Act, and another suspends a rate discount on Federal Housing Authority-backed mortgages. -Peter Hess

...and continues to this day.

He fights the fights that can be won, and when he cannot have ALL that he wants...full deportation or a budget balanced on day one of his Presidency...he gets what IS possible. Funding for the armed forces while fighting to trade DACA for a big-ass Wall and a much strengthened immigration enforcement.

[XenaLee]

Really?  When did Trump make that happen?

1.5 $TRILLION in deficit spending that Trump signed to fully fund the Leftist agenda says your statement is beyond empty.

I also do not think you Trumsplicans actually want Government shoved back into the role the Founders intended it to be.  I think all you people really want is someone to fight and punish those you hate using his office to do it.

Well..... to be fair here.... I, myself, would be kinda happy if Trump succeeded in containing, curtailing and yes, even (gasp!) punishing the lefties for what they've done to this nation, especially over the last decade.  I know, I know.  That shocks you.  Right? 

[Emjay]

   Other than that 3/5's thing that was a dem compromise later, 'WE THE PEOPLE' did not exclude people that are not joyous about President Trump, @Emjay.

You don't have to be joyous about Trump to see reason @corbe   I know you are irked by the Trump worship that seems to abound in your family, but relax.

The fact is that Trump is something of a miracle.  Not saying a miracle sent from God, but a miracle for the country.

It is unbelievable that Trump thought he could run for President; that he could actually get the nomination; and especially that he could be elected.

But that happened.  Historians will be kept in quill pens for years trying to figure out how and why but the fact is that Trump, more than any other politician of his time, struck a deep chord with The People.  He said what they wanted to hear... what they had been hungry to hear for years.

You and I didn't want Trump ... we wanted Ted Cruz.  But in retrospect, I don't think Ted Cruz could have beaten Hillary.  Trump was a man for his time.  An odd man for his time, maybe, but he did save the country. 

Yeah, the country might have survived 8 years of Obama (that we are still suffering for) followed by 4 years of Hillary, but the country would have been very damaged by the time that crew got through.  You can see by the hissy fits both Hillary and the Obama's are having daily that this was their country and this Bumpkin had no right to it.

And, while the NTers continue to nitpick Trump and what they call his lack of progress and his failure to keep his promises, the fact remains that everything that Trump has proposed and fought for is what most conservatives want. 

So, yeah, I support Trump and I hope that he can manage to get the needed seats in the Senate to get some of his proposals passed.

And, yes, I kinda resent being called unpleasant names just because I feel this way.

[corbe]

  @Emjay
   I love my Family, even had they voted for obummer or hellary (WHICH THEY DID NOT), as they tolerate my (so called) NTism I tolerate their ability to love me is spite of my flaws.

[Emjay]

@Emjay
   I love my Family, even had they voted for obummer or hellary (WHICH THEY DID NOT), as they tolerate my (so called) NTism I tolerate their ability to love me is spite of my flaws.

I love my family, also, but we do not indulge in the political banter that you enjoy so much.  Most of my family members are liberal.  We simply do not talk about it.  Why fight about that?

I always remember seeing democrat Pat (?) ... I'll think of his name in ten minutes ... or not.  Anyway, he was regretting the fact that he had alienated his parents for two years about the differences about the VietNam war.  He lost those two year with his parents over politics. 

I'm not losing any family years over politics.

[Emjay]

@Emjay
   I love my Family, even had they voted for obummer or hellary (WHICH THEY DID NOT), as they tolerate my (so called) NTism I tolerate their ability to love me is spite of my flaws.

By the way, thanks for changing the subject without responding to my post.

[INVAR]

Well..... to be fair here.... I, myself, would be kinda happy if Trump succeeded in containing, curtailing and yes, even (gasp!) punishing the lefties for what they've done to this nation, especially over the last decade.  I know, I know.  That shocks you.  Right?

I don't consider you a Trumplican dear.

[corbe]

    @Emjay I just spent 4 hours with my Trumper Family and Politics, as usual, was on top of the agenda (it's in our DNA). 
    Good People, Cold Beer and the ever present Laughs, what more could you ask for. 
    With that being said, I am also truly Blessed to share this time with you and the other Briefers here that I enjoy conversing with so much.
     There's all so much to be Grateful for this Memorial Day.
     The Sacrifices that have been made, for US to even be here.

[INVAR]

Well, it began on Jan 21st 2017 within his first 12 hours in office....
...and continues to this day. ...He fights the fights

Blah, blah, blah, bla..bla..bla..blah...blah...blahh.

That's what I hear now every single time I read all the silly justifications for Trump and bullshit like the 1.5 trillion he signed (after two 700 B-B-BILLION military spending increases authorized on February 9th of this year) peddled to promote him.

Maybe you actually believe all this bullshit you are trying to foist as undeniable justification - but I for one don't even listen to you turkeys anymore.  To me - you might as well be one of the Obama drones at DU trying to convince me how great his heinous was as president.  I'm not listening to those efforts - or yours.

The fact you have to go to such lengths to try and sell Trump - ought to be a sign for you that I'm not buying.

[TomSea]

Well, it began on Jan 21st 2017 within his first 12 hours in office....And now that he’s President Trump, he has kept his promise. In his first 12 hours as president of the United States, Trump signed a whole ream of executive orders. Most of them are procedural, involving his cabinet picks, but a couple have powerful implications for American citizens. One of these executive orders begins Trump’s rollback of the Affordable Care Act, and another suspends a rate discount on Federal Housing Authority-backed mortgages. -Peter Hess

...and continues to this day.

He fights the fights that can be won, and when he cannot have ALL that he wants...full deportation or a budget balanced on day one of his Presidency...he gets what IS possible. Funding for the armed forces while fighting to trade DACA for a big-ass Wall and a much strengthened immigration enforcement.

Totally agree. Some of the folks that act so hostile sound more like the Taliban or other terrorist enemies. They say some of the same things.

[corbe]

 :nometalk:

[TomSea]

Yup:

Who said... well that would be in bad taste, let alone, if people are talking about what sounds like armed rebellion per that article in the editorial page, that is pretty radical.

They do play that game, who said this? One of the 20th centuries worst dictators or some politician?

[corbe]

   What do I win, @TomSea?

[INVAR]

Totally agree. Some of the folks that act so hostile sound more like the Taliban or other terrorist enemies. They say some of the same things.

That's right.  We're the Taliban and enemy terrorists because we do not sing the hosannas to Trump. 

And yet these are the same people who get all upset if a picture of a single man refusing to seig-heil the Nazis at Nuremberg is posted here.

But referencing us as terrorists and the Taliban is A-okay.

[corbe]

[Mesaclone]

That's right.  We're the Taliban and enemy terrorists because we do not sing the hosannas to Trump. 

And yet these are the same people who get all upset if a picture of a single man refusing to seig-heil the Nazis at Nuremberg is posted here.

But referencing us as terrorists and the Taliban is A-okay.

No one referenced you AS a terrorist, rather, they called out your irrationality and blindness to reason as being similar to the kind of thought process by which terrorists justify their own intellectually indefensible viewpoints.

When your positions are made untenable by the presentation of fact, reason and common sense you fall back on ad hominem arguments, magical thought, and virtue signaling...the standard tactics of those who are unable to put forward an actual argument for their own ideology.

Finally, you try to draw associations by using Nazi analogies...such as the Sieg Heil picture you referenced...and then you are upset when people tell you how illogical and absurd such comparisons are. If you are dumb enough to see parallels between opposing Trump and opposing Hitler, you are demonstrating just how absurd, uneducated, and fanatical your own views are.

[DCPatriot]

No one referenced you AS a terrorist, rather, they called out your irrationality and blindness to reason as being similar to the kind of thought process by which terrorists justify their own intellectually indefensible viewpoints.

When your positions are made untenable by the presentation of fact, reason and common sense you fall back on ad hominem arguments, magical thought, and virtue signaling...the standard tactics of those who are unable to put forward an actual argument for their own ideology.

Finally, you try to draw associations by using Nazi analogies...such as the Sieg Heil picture you referenced...and then you are upset when people tell you how illogical and absurd such comparisons are. If you are dumb enough to see parallels between opposing Trump and opposing Hitler, you are demonstrating just how absurd, uneducated, and fanatical your own views are.

Top shelf, @Mesaclone

 

[aligncare]

Top shelf, @Mesaclone

 

Yes, Mesaclone makes solid arguments. But, hate trumps logic, and so as usual, good reasoning will fall on deaf ears.

[Chosen Daughter]

No one referenced you AS a terrorist, rather, they called out your irrationality and blindness to reason as being similar to the kind of thought process by which terrorists justify their own intellectually indefensible viewpoints.

When your positions are made untenable by the presentation of fact, reason and common sense you fall back on ad hominem arguments, magical thought, and virtue signaling...the standard tactics of those who are unable to put forward an actual argument for their own ideology.

Finally, you try to draw associations by using Nazi analogies...such as the Sieg Heil picture you referenced...and then you are upset when people tell you how illogical and absurd such comparisons are. If you are dumb enough to see parallels between opposing Trump and opposing Hitler, you are demonstrating just how absurd, uneducated, and fanatical your own views are.

I have seen plenty recently and have done plenty of research into the King Cyrus prophesies.  INVAR has plenty of reason for the things he said and I stand behind him.  From the beginning Trump has been something other than POTUS to America.  There is lots of information on it and anyone can look it up.  They are looking to Trump to bring about the Second Coming of Christ.  Not only in America but this information is being spread throughout the world.

[DCPatriot]

I have seen plenty recently and have done plenty of research into the King Cyrus prophesies.  INVAR has plenty of reason for the things he said and I stand behind him.  From the beginning Trump has been something other than POTUS to America.  There is lots of information on it and anyone can look it up.  They are looking to Trump to bring about the Second Coming of Christ.  Not only in America but this information is being spread throughout the world.

 

[driftdiver]

I have seen plenty recently and have done plenty of research into the King Cyrus prophesies.  INVAR has plenty of reason for the things he said and I stand behind him.  From the beginning Trump has been something other than POTUS to America.  There is lots of information on it and anyone can look it up.  They are looking to Trump to bring about the Second Coming of Christ.  Not only in America but this information is being spread throughout the world.

Oh boy. 

[Hoodat]

The only thing worse than a NeverTrumper is an AlwaysTrumper.  Unlike their counterparts, the AlwaysTrumper consistently engages in the logical fallacy that there is nothing in between.

[skeeter]

The only thing worse than a NeverTrumper is an AlwaysTrumper.  Unlike their counterparts, the AlwaysTrumper consistently engages in the logical fallacy that there is nothing in between.

Yes & no. NTer's never really say who they'd rather have.

[sneakypete]

I have seen plenty recently and have done plenty of research into the King Cyrus prophesies.  INVAR has plenty of reason for the things he said and I stand behind him.  From the beginning Trump has been something other than POTUS to America.  There is lots of information on it and anyone can look it up.  They are looking to Trump to bring about the Second Coming of Christ.  Not only in America but this information is being spread throughout the world.

@Chosen Daughter


Done reseach into "the King Cyrus prophesies"??

Oh,well! THAT changes EVERYTHING!   You clearly represent the rational Anti-Trumpers that post here and elsewhere,no sarcasm implied or intended.

Do you also buy and sell magic beans?

[sneakypete]

Yes & no. NTer's never really say who they'd rather have.

@skeeter

Can you blame them?