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GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« on: May 21, 2018, 08:38:21 pm »
I guess if Mexico isn't paying for it, those who support it can voluntarily pay for it instead is the next best option.

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Rep. Diane Black (R- Tenn.) has introduced legislation that would create a “border wall trust fund,” allowing people to donate money towards President Trump’s border wall.
The Border Wall Trust Fund Act would “allow the Secretary of the Treasury to accept public donations to fund the construction of a barrier on the border between the United States and Mexico, and for other purposes.”
Appearing on Fox News on Monday afternoon, Black said the bill would allow those “who really want to see a secure border” to donate to a trust to raise money for the security measure.....

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/388661-people-can-donate-to-trumps-border-wall-trust-fund-under-tennessee-lawmakers


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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2018, 08:41:09 pm »
  Clever way to disguise GOP Legal Fees from the Base.
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2018, 08:44:59 pm »
  Clever way to disguise GOP Legal Fees from the Base.

On the other hand, I would be all for making most government programs fund this way.  Let those who want these programs vote directly out of their pockets. The real disguising of costs come in the way our budgets work. The average Joe doesn't really understand or have a real say in spending on things he wants or not on things he doesn't.


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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2018, 09:08:48 pm »
On the other hand, I would be all for making most government programs fund this way.  Let those who want these programs vote directly out of their pockets. The real disguising of costs come in the way our budgets work. The average Joe doesn't really understand or have a real say in spending on things he wants or not on things he doesn't.


People say they want this, until they really get it.  The whole idea behind a republic is having a representative do this for you.  Voters have one job, but they keep sending the same goofballs back to DC.  There’s no way they could responsibly itemize spending.  You can’t even get a handful of your co-workers to agree on a place for lunch.
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2018, 09:13:50 pm »
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The Border Wall Trust Fund Act would “allow the Secretary of the Treasury to accept public donations to fund the construction of a barrier on the border between the United States and Mexico, and for other purposes.”

Wait... I think I see a flaw...




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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2018, 09:16:40 pm »

People say they want this, until they really get it.  The whole idea behind a republic is having a representative do this for you.  Voters have one job, but they keep sending the same goofballs back to DC.  There’s no way they could responsibly itemize spending.  You can’t even get a handful of your co-workers to agree on a place for lunch.

People want a lot of things as long as they think someone else is paying for it.

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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2018, 09:18:40 pm »
   Hell, if Stormy can get half a Mil surely America can crowd fund a measly Mexican Wall. 
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/stormy/


   In less than 2 years we go from Mexico will pay for it, to They'll pay LATER, to now Grandma that money your sending to Billy Graham needs to go here for #MAGA.

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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2018, 09:21:02 pm »
People want a lot of things as long as they think someone else is paying for it.


If they really wanted the wall, the 63 million who voted for Trump can each pony up $400 for the $25B needed.
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2018, 09:28:16 pm »
LOL.
Maybe there will be a trend.
Perhaps all government spending can be crowdfunding.
Then, we can really see where the priorities of the American people lie.
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2018, 09:37:05 pm »
I thought collecting taxes from us was a form of crowdfunding.   :chairbang:
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2018, 09:41:03 pm »
I thought collecting taxes from us was a form of crowdfunding.   :chairbang:

Taxation is theft.
Crowdfunding is voluntary.

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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2018, 10:20:43 pm »
Taxation is theft.
Crowdfunding is voluntary.

Get rid of Federal tax and have us give the same amount to the issues that we choose?  Otherwise this is ridiculous.  We already have paid for the wall.  I want my portion of Federal taxes that goes to Planned Parenthood to be diverted to the wall.
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2018, 10:25:50 pm »
Get rid of Federal tax and have us give the same amount to the issues that we choose?  Otherwise this is ridiculous.  We already have paid for the wall.  I want my portion of Federal taxes that goes to Planned Parenthood to be diverted to the wall.

You haven’t paid diddly for a Wall.

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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2018, 10:35:04 pm »
Wait... I think I see a flaw...
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2018, 10:43:34 pm »
If the promise of Mexico paying for the wall was honored, we wouldn't have to worry about paying for it.   *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2018, 10:44:39 pm »
You haven’t paid diddly for a Wall.

Oh you are so right but this is what I have paid for...............

Federal spending gets more ridiculous every year, and a new congressional report details 100 of the most egregious examples.

Following in the footsteps of chronic-waste chronicler Tom Coburn, Oklahoma senator James Lankford published “Federal Fumbles” late on Monday afternoon. The football-themed report examines not only ridiculous spending but also costly or burdensome overregulation.

Here are NR’s top-ten favorite — which is to say, most scoff-worthy and absurd — examples of how the government wastes your time, energy, and hard-earned cash.

10. $283,500 on Department of Defense bird-watching

In the sage scrub of the California coast lives a small grey bird known as the California gnatcatcher. Its biggest enemy? Cowbirds, which like to hijack the gnatcatcher’s nest and lay eggs. The poor gnatcatchers never quite realize they’re raising someone else’s kin.
 

The federal government designated the gnatcatcher a threatened species more than two decades ago, and the Department of Defense has not-so-bravely rallied to its rescue. This year, DOD approved a $283,500 grant to monitor the day-to-day life of baby gnatchatchers.

9. $48,500 to write about Russian smokers

It’s no secret Russians like their tobacco. Roughly 60 percent of Russian men and 25 percent of Russian women smoke, averaging just over half a pack of cigarettes each day, according to a 2011 report by the Kennan Institute.

What that has to do with the U.S. National Institutes of Health, however, is unclear. In April, the NIH announced it would grant some hapless grad student $48,500 to pen the definitive history of smoking in Russia over the past 130 years. This tome must “reconstruct the culture of tobacco using newspapers, journals, industry publications, etiquette manuals, propaganda posters, popular literature, films, cartoons, and advertising images.”

The NIH apparently thinks someone is going to a) read this; and b) learn from Russia’s mistakes. That seems unlikely.

8. $406,419 to look at a “chicken and egg” problem

America’s feeling pretty polarized these days, and the National Science Foundation wants to know whether to blame TV pundits.

So it gave Massachusetts Institute of Technology more than $400k to ponder the burning question: “Does media choice cause polarization, or does polarization cause media choice?”

Just wait until the study is published and discussed on cable news. That will be really meta.

7. $3.1 billion on vacation for federal employees placed on administrative leave

Just a few weeks ago, NR wrote about how DEA employees caught patronizing prostitutes were given bonuses rather than being fired, as if anyone needed more proof of how incredibly difficult it is to lose a government job.

The GAO reports that five federal agencies alone spent $3.1 billion on workers placed on administrative leave in a two-year timespan. A lot of that cash — $775 million, to be exact — went to public employees banned from their desks for more than a month. (“Primarily,” Lankford’s waste book finds, “workers are placed on leave because they are under investigation for misconduct.”)

Why work for the government when you can get paid not to?

6. $5,000 for a documentary film about Madison County, North Carolina’s best fiddler

The National Park Service forked over $5,000 to Mars Hill University so it could make a documentary film about a local musician. Optimistically, they assumed it might lure tourists to the region.

It’s not the biggest expenditure, but it’s still irksome. “A $5,000 grant, which is $500 greater than the monthly income of the average American family, does not compare to the billions of dollars of frivolous spending by the federal government each year,” Lankford notes. But “with all due respect to [the musician] and his accomplishments, a documentary about a North Carolina fiddler does not benefit the U.S. national interest or the American public.”

5. Nearly $150,000 to understand why politics stress us out

The National Science Foundation seems to have taken note of how stressful it can be to debate politics with friends and family.

It’s such a problem, apparently, that the NSF needs to spend taxpayer cash to delve into its root causes.

“One could argue,” the report quips, “that the most stressful thing about politics is the waste and bloat of government spending, especially researching topics such as this.”

4. Regulating llama farmers out of existence

Remember those adorable llamas who escaped in Arizona last winter? Well, the federal government seized on the opportunity to ruin their home.

According to Lankford’s report, the Department of Agriculture decided the owners of these llamas needed a license to “showcase” their animals, which they raised especially to help little kids and the elderly in their community. When the owners tried to fight back, they found themselves tangled in even more red tape.

Eventually, says llama owner Karen Freund, they just gave up. The federal government had “just totally destroyed everything I had planned for my retirement,” she said.

3. $65,473 to figure out what bugs do near a lightbulb

The National Park Service was wondering what happened when insects used to dark, rural environments suddenly encountered a light.

It’s a stupid question, the report notes, because “anyone raised in a rural area can attest that one way to attract insects is to turn on a light.”

No word yet on how many bureaucrats it took to screw in that light bulb.

2. Making Americans do their dishes twice

In 2015, the Department of Energy mandated that dishwashers must use no more than 3.1 gallons of water per load. The problem? Dishes don’t really get clean with so little water.

So now, Americans have to wash their plates twice.

“Families already have enough to worry about without adding extra loads of dishes to the mix, simply due to poorly conceived federal regulations,” the report notes.

1. $35,000 for solar-powered beer

The Department of Agriculture wants your suds to be greener. So in Michigan and Wyoming, it paid for solar-panel installations at breweries.
   
They’re literally drinking away taxpayer money.

— Jillian Kay Melchior writes for National Review as a Thomas L. Rhodes Fellow for the Franklin Center. She is also a senior fellow at the Independent Women’s Forum and the Tony Blankley Fellow at the Steamboat Institute.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/12/top-10-wasteful-government-expenses/

I'm surprised we didn't spend an even million to study why a cheeto is orange.
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2018, 10:59:08 pm »
You haven’t paid diddly for a Wall.

Is $473 billion enough to build the wall?

Sen. James Lankford’s government waste report totals over $400 billion
 By Sally Persons - The Washington Times - Monday, November 27, 2017



Sen. James Lankford released his annual federal government waste and solutions report on Monday detailing the arguably ridiculous things the government spent money on.

“Our $20 trillion national debt will continue to increase until we implement spending cuts, government reforms, and create a healthy economy. This Federal Fumbles report provides commonsense examples of ways to limit our spending and fix government inefficiency,” Mr. Lankford, Oklahoma Republican, said in a statement.

There is over $473 billion in wasteful spending listed in the report.


The items on this year’s “Federal Fumbles” list include $2.3 million researching forms of exercise that best led to weight loss in seniors, $20,000 for adult summer art camp focused on climate change and $2.6 million spent on chimpanzees that were previously used for biomedical testing.

The National Institute for Health recently stopped the testing on chimpanzees and created a National Center for Chimpanzee Care to continued to take care of the animals.

the arguably ridiculous things the government spent money on.

“Our $20 trillion national debt will continue to increase until we implement spending cuts, government reforms, and create a healthy economy. This Federal Fumbles report provides commonsense examples of ways to limit our spending and fix government inefficiency,” Mr. Lankford, Oklahoma Republican, said in a statement.

There is over $473 billion in wasteful spending listed in the report.


The items on this year’s “Federal Fumbles” list include $2.3 million researching forms of exercise that best led to weight loss in seniors, $20,000 for adult summer art camp focused on climate change and $2.6 million spent on chimpanzees that were previously used for biomedical testing.

The National Institute for Health recently stopped the testing on chimpanzees and created a National Center for Chimpanzee Care to continued to take care of the animals.......

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/27/james-lankfords-government-waste-report-totals-ove/

http://www.businessinsider.com/james-lankford-federal-fumbles-report-of-government-waste-2017-11
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2018, 11:10:54 pm »

If they really wanted the wall, the 63 million who voted for Trump can each pony up $400 for the $25B needed.

I'd happily go for plan that if those of us who contribute to the wall get to split the 50 billion this country spends on illegal immigrants annually among ourselves.

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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2018, 11:13:43 pm »
I'd happily go for plan that if those of us who contribute to the wall get to split the 50 billion this country spends on illegal immigrants annually among ourselves.


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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2018, 11:17:55 pm »

One down, 62,999,999 to go.

Checks in the mail.

I'll have my dividend now.

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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2018, 11:18:53 pm »
Checks in the mail.

I'll have my dividend now.


It's in the mail, too.  If you don't get it, blame Bezos.
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2018, 11:36:46 pm »
Shut down all the southern borders. (Trump EO)
The loss of drugs and rotting produce on Mexico's highways will help Mexico fork over the money.

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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2018, 11:40:11 pm »
Shut down all the southern borders. (Trump EO)
The loss of drugs and rotting produce on Mexico's highways will help Mexico fork over the money.

I hope you don't mind if I say that this is the most common sense response I have seen in answer to Mexico refusal to fund the wall. 
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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2018, 12:10:23 am »
Shut down all the southern borders. (Trump EO)
The loss of drugs and rotting produce on Mexico's highways will help Mexico fork over the money.

Won't work. Loss of drugs sales might hurt, but Mexico puts enough calcium carbide on their fruit to handle border delays of any length. Our progeny will be throwing out half eaten Mexican fruit picked today long after we're gone.

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Re: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to crowdfund border wall
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2018, 12:30:22 am »
Trust Fund, where have I heard that before?
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