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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #125 on: May 21, 2018, 05:28:14 pm »
Quote from: Suppressed on May 21, 2018, 05:23:41 pm
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Not disagreeing with the bottom line.  I'm disagreeing that express package service is part of that loss.  Perhaps I should have said, ". . .the express packages like Amazon that partially offset those loss sectors".

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If you read the articles they say the loss is due to a decline in 1st class mail despite a doubling of the package volume.

Basically people aren't sending as many letters due to online bill pay.   So no the package business does not offset the loss, certainly not at the discounted rates companies like Amazon pay.  The USPS fought for market share and under priced delivery, losing money on every package shipped by those companies.   They increased prices for individual mailers but that wasn't enough to make up the difference.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #126 on: May 21, 2018, 05:29:47 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on May 21, 2018, 05:25:34 pm
@txradioguy   I don't believe that.  It cannot be extortion because Trump cannot do it.  If Bezos has anything to do with Trump's threat at all, it's what's called and idle threat just to annoy someone who's been annoying you for a year.

I take Trump's side against the media all the time because, while Trump may lie occasionally, the press lies constantly.

I didn't say it would be successful...but that's what he's attempting to do...and it's no idle threat.

It comes from the President's lack of knowledge of how the USPS and their rate schedules work and no one in his administration having the spine to tell him he can't do what he's threatening.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #127 on: May 21, 2018, 05:30:20 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on May 21, 2018, 05:07:22 pm
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Try working with a bunch of EPA or OHSA pukes sometime.  I dare ya!

Off topic, but I needed to deal with IRS to get a certain form faxed and, while I was on hold, my SIL asked me what I was doing.  I said, 'I'm praying that I won't get an affirmative action hire.'  He was so disgusted (Liberal dude) he walked off.  Karma got me and I DID get an affirmative action woman who was incredible stupid and defensive.  I finally just hung up with her and dialed again.  This time I got a great guy who knew exactly what I needed and faxed it immediately.

I think those unfortunate hires are becoming a lot fewer.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #128 on: May 21, 2018, 05:30:56 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 21, 2018, 05:27:29 pm
Then there's the foreign stuff.  I get my toothpaste shipped in from UK, and it takes 3-4 weeks to get it via Royal Mail.

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Buying toothpaste from the UK, now there is a new one on me. 

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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #129 on: May 21, 2018, 05:31:01 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 21, 2018, 04:57:08 pm
Using the USPS shipping cost estimator the cost for a similar box from similar locations is $7.20

So the real question is where is that money coming from?  Is amazon eating that $3.99.  Hard to believe there is that much extra profit in a $25 mouse.

Rotflmao!!!
I probably pay half of what you do for construction and automotive materials. Same in computers. The last MS Mouse I bought was less than five bucks.

Does that piss you off too?

Volume pricing. It's a thing.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #130 on: May 21, 2018, 05:33:29 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on May 21, 2018, 05:31:01 pm
Rotflmao!!!
I probably pay half of what you do for construction and automotive materials. Same in computers. The last MS Mouse I bought was less than five bucks.

Does that piss you off too?

Volume pricing. It's a thing.

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Just when I thought you couldn't get any more nonsensical.

There are different types of computer mouses.  Some are cheap and some are nicer, and more expensive.

Now stop playing in traffic, you're gonna get hurt.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #131 on: May 21, 2018, 05:35:28 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 21, 2018, 05:27:29 pm
Then there's the foreign stuff.  I get my toothpaste shipped in from UK, and it takes 3-4 weeks to get it via Royal Mail.

Yes!!  I get my toothpaste from the UK also because they are the only ones who have what I like, so I am careful to order when my supply is getting a little low.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #132 on: May 21, 2018, 05:36:15 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 21, 2018, 05:30:56 pm
@Cyber Liberty
Buying toothpaste from the UK, now there is a new one on me. 



LOL!  I hadn't thought of that.  The toothpaste I get has a better formula in UK, but obviously it's not a wide seller there.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #133 on: May 21, 2018, 05:36:47 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on May 21, 2018, 05:35:28 pm
Yes!!  I get my toothpaste from the UK also because they are the only ones who have what I like, so I am careful to order when my supply is getting a little low.

Sensodyne with Novamin.  Good stuff.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #134 on: May 21, 2018, 05:38:24 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 21, 2018, 05:33:29 pm
@roamer_1
Just when I thought you couldn't get any more nonsensical.

There are different types of computer mouses.  Some are cheap and some are nicer, and more expensive.

Now stop playing in traffic, you're gonna get hurt.

LOL! Whatever d00d. Other than a trackball, I can't remember ever paying anywhere near 25 bucks for a mouse. Just for kicks, give me the brand and part number and I will look it up and tell you what my cost is. 

Volume pricing. It really is a thing.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #135 on: May 21, 2018, 05:44:53 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on May 21, 2018, 05:38:24 pm
LOL! Whatever d00d. Other than a trackball, I can't remember ever paying anywhere near 25 bucks for a mouse. Just for kicks, give me the brand and part number and I will look it up and tell you what my cost is. 

Volume pricing. It really is a thing.

@roamer_1
Volume pricing means you buy a lot.

I buy one every couple of years.

Who spends more each year on stupid mouses??????   Seriously man let it go before I send you the theme music to the movie Frozen
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #136 on: May 21, 2018, 05:46:27 pm »
What I find much more fascinating is the mindset among "conservatives" that have no problem with government picking winners and losers and deciding which private businesses and enterprises should be punished.

I know, I know.... the argument has been made that Amazon is using a taxpayer subsidized agency and getting a cheaper bulk rate from the Post Office, so therefore it has been decided that Trump has the right to double their rates by mere decree simply because Trump wants to do it and Amazon is not fair because it's hurting brick and mortar stores that local governments get big tax revenues from.

But by that precedent having been set - I forsee that the argument will soon become that because selected businesses use roads that are taxpayer subsidized, that government reserves the right to charge extra fees and rates on those arbitrarily chosen businesses and individuals that 'profit' from using government roads (see Pocahontas Warren for more information). 

Amazing to discover just how many Leftist ideas are now provinces of the 'Conservative' Republican mindset.

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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #137 on: May 21, 2018, 05:47:02 pm »
Lets recap the past 135 post.

The post office sucks.
Trump sucks.
Bezo's is a golden god.


Is that about right?
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #138 on: May 21, 2018, 05:56:01 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 21, 2018, 05:05:24 pm
@txradioguy
You cant

I cant

Companies with large amounts of stuff to mail can negotiate rates.    I've done it.

If you've done it, then you know that it's not even the USPS that sets the rates.  That is done by the Postal Regulatory Commission which is made up of commissioners appointed by the President.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #139 on: May 21, 2018, 05:56:42 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on May 21, 2018, 05:47:02 pm
Lets recap the past 135 post.

The post office sucks.
Trump sucks.
Bezo's is a golden god.


Is that about right?

No.  More like:

The Post Office Sucks.

Trump Sucks.

Bezos as a person Sucks - but Amazon.com is a golden God and we love getting all our shit from there delivered right to our front door.  Millions of things we cannot get locally, delivered.

Anything government touches turns to crap.

That's about right.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #140 on: May 21, 2018, 05:58:14 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 21, 2018, 05:44:53 pm
@roamer_1
Volume pricing means you buy a lot.

I buy one every couple of years.

Who spends more each year on stupid mouses??????   Seriously man let it go before I send you the theme music to the movie Frozen


RIGHT. I imagine Amazon spends a whole lot more than you on shipping... It is little wonder that they pay less than half of the eight bucks or so you have to pay to ship a similar package. You are wondering where all that money goes... It doesn't 'go'. It doesn't exist. Amazon gets a greatly discounted rate because of it's massive volume... that it can pass on to it's customers in whatever fashion it pleases.

so your argument about the $7.90 it costs *you* to ship a similar package is just silly.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #141 on: May 21, 2018, 06:02:31 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on May 21, 2018, 05:58:14 pm

RIGHT. I imagine Amazon spends a whole lot more than you on shipping... It is little wonder that they pay less than half of the eight bucks or so you have to pay to ship a similar package. You are wondering where all that money goes... It doesn't 'go'. It doesn't exist. Amazon gets a greatly discounted rate because of it's massive volume... that it can pass on to it's customers in whatever fashion it pleases.

so your argument about the $7.90 it costs *you* to ship a similar package is just silly.

@roamer_1
Actually its not.  It shows that the post office is increasing the cost to the small shipper to subsidize the larger shippers.

and still losing money
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #142 on: May 21, 2018, 06:03:41 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on May 21, 2018, 05:56:01 pm
If you've done it, then you know that it's not even the USPS that sets the rates.  That is done by the Postal Regulatory Commission which is made up of commissioners appointed by the President.

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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #143 on: May 21, 2018, 06:04:37 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on May 21, 2018, 05:47:02 pm
Lets recap the past 135 post.

The post office sucks.
Trump sucks.
Bezo's is a golden god.


Is that about right?

@Wingnut   Pretty much.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #144 on: May 21, 2018, 06:04:53 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on May 21, 2018, 05:46:27 pm
What I find much more fascinating is the mindset among "conservatives" that have no problem with government picking winners and losers and deciding which private businesses and enterprises should be punished.

I know, I know.... the argument has been made that Amazon is using a taxpayer subsidized agency and getting a cheaper bulk rate from the Post Office, so therefore it has been decided that Trump has the right to double their rates by mere decree simply because Trump wants to do it and Amazon is not fair because it's hurting brick and mortar stores that local governments get big tax revenues from.

But by that precedent having been set - I forsee that the argument will soon become that because selected businesses use roads that are taxpayer subsidized, that government reserves the right to charge extra fees and rates on those arbitrarily chosen businesses and individuals that 'profit' from using government roads (see Pocahontas Warren for more information). 

Amazing to discover just how many Leftist ideas are now provinces of the 'Conservative' Republican mindset.

You're exactly right @INVAR When Obama picked winners and losers, many "conservatives" cried foul, but now that "their guy" is doing it, they are not only suddenly OK with it, but actually defend it.  The Pied Piper strikes again and his supporters are falling right in line despite the hypocrisy.

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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #145 on: May 21, 2018, 06:05:20 pm »
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #146 on: May 21, 2018, 06:05:41 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 21, 2018, 06:03:41 pm
@RoosGirl
Can you make me a sammich?

Somehow, I have this strange suspicion that you may not enjoy what it is made from.
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #147 on: May 21, 2018, 06:06:48 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on May 21, 2018, 06:05:41 pm
Somehow, I have this strange suspicion that you may not enjoy what it is made from.

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Im not even hungry.

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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #148 on: May 21, 2018, 06:07:02 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 21, 2018, 06:02:31 pm
@roamer_1
Actually its not.  It shows that the post office is increasing the cost to the small shipper to subsidize the larger shippers.

and still losing money

SO, when I can go down to O'Rielly's and buy spark plugs for half or a quarter of what you can, does that mean O'Rielly's is jacking up the little guy (*you*) so they can subsidize me? Is that really what you think?
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Re: Trump’s Top Economic Adviser Says Amazon Threats Are ‘Not In My Lane’
« Reply #149 on: May 21, 2018, 06:07:48 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 21, 2018, 06:03:41 pm
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Can you make me a sammich?

Absolutely.  You want it warmed or cold?
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