Federal Judge Orders Complete Restart Of DACA

[XenaLee]

I am coming to believe that the answer to that question when asked of most Republicans is 'none'.

Well, they seem to have given in on so much already.... alas, I fear you may be correct.

[Cyber Liberty]

What is 'the hill to die on'?  What issue would be worth it in your view?

One that does not look like a self-serving political one.

[Chosen Daughter]

One that does not look like a self-serving political one.

That isn't self serving.  The people voted for it.  We have an invasion.  If we allow DACA then they will also admit all of their relatives.  To restart it means hundreds of thousands if not millions more will come.

[Cyber Liberty]

That isn't self serving.  The people voted for it.  We have an invasion.  If we allow DACA then they will also admit all of their relatives.  To restart it means hundreds of thousands if not millions more will come.

Please note I am not disagreeing with you.  I'm only suggesting if President Trump is going to tell the courts to shove something up their collective Alimentary canals, it has to be on an issue that is undeniable to the whole country.  Yes, this issue is important to us on the right (and other people who have lost loved ones to murder by these worms), but it's not quite the one issue that resonates sufficiently.  At this point I don't know what is, but it's out there.

[INVAR]

Please note I am not disagreeing with you.  I'm only suggesting if President Trump is going to tell the courts to shove something up their collective Alimentary canals, it has to be on an issue that is undeniable to the whole country.

Not possible.  There is no such issue that will be undeniable to the whole country.

[XenaLee]

One that does not look like a self-serving political one.

Like.... what, for instance?  Give me an example.  I'm not being snarky here... I'm serious.

[XenaLee]

Please note I am not disagreeing with you.  I'm only suggesting if President Trump is going to tell the courts to shove something up their collective Alimentary canals, it has to be on an issue that is undeniable to the whole country. Yes, this issue is important to us on the right (and other people who have lost loved ones to murder by these worms), but it's not quite the one issue that resonates sufficiently.  At this point I don't know what is, but it's out there.

Then there is never ever going to be 'that issue' worth dying on that hill for.   Half of the nation is, as you well know, compromised and getting bribed/paid off by the taxpayers via the federal government welfare system.  They will only be 'for' an issue that keeps getting them paid.

For what it's worth, I do believe that 'most' of the nation is against illegal immigration.... even many, if not most, of the 'legal' Mexican citizens.

[Bigun]

Then there is never ever going to be 'that issue' worth dying on that hill for.   Half of the nation is, as you well know, compromised and getting bribed/paid off by the taxpayers via the federal government welfare system.  They will only be 'for' an issue that keeps getting them paid.

For what it's worth, I do believe that 'most' of the nation is against illegal immigration.... even many, if not most, of the 'legal' Mexican citizens.

I think you are entirely right on both counts.

[Cyber Liberty]

Like.... what, for instance?  Give me an example.  I'm not being snarky here... I'm serious.

I have no idea.  It's like porn, I'll know it when I see it.  I know I'm testing my friendship with a lot of my closest friends, but provoking a real "Constitutional Crisis" (not the fake kind we on the right are constantly accused of) is not to be taken lightly.  This may very well be "the one,"  but it's not yet ripe.

When we hear "That's their decision, now let them enforce it," then it's on.

[XenaLee]

I have no idea.  It's like porn, I'll know it when I see it.  I know I'm testing my friendship with a lot of my closest friends, but provoking a real "Constitutional Crisis" (not the fake kind we on the right are constantly accused of) is not to be taken lightly.  This may very well be "the one,"  but it's not yet ripe.

When we hear "That's their decision, now let them enforce it," then it's on.

Well, why would 'this' issue be provoking a Constitutional Crisis?  I thought DACA was based on an Obama Executive Order, which can easily and lawfully be discarded or undone or overturned (whatever) by Trump.  No?  And this moronic rogue judge has nothing to say about that, legally.  Right?  I'm so confused....

[txradioguy]

Well, why would 'this' issue be provoking a Constitutional Crisis?  I thought DACA was based on an Obama Executive Order, which can easily and lawfully be discarded or undone or overturned (whatever) by Trump.  No?  And this moronic rogue judge has nothing to say about that, legally.  Right?  I'm so confused....

That's how it's supposed to work.

But you're dealing with Liberal Politics 101...where EO's signed by Dem President's are as permanent as a rock...but any EO signed by a Republican President is illegal immoral and unconstitutional.

[Cyber Liberty]

Well, why would 'this' issue be provoking a Constitutional Crisis?  I thought DACA was based on an Obama Executive Order, which can easily and lawfully be discarded or undone or overturned (whatever) by Trump.  No?  And this moronic rogue judge has nothing to say about that, legally.  Right?  I'm so confused....

The argument about the dueling EOs is just an argument.  Telling the Courts they can bloody well enforce their stupid decisions themselves is when the "Crisis" happens.  So far, everybody has simply deferred to the courts, and when that stops happening, shit's on.

[Cyber Liberty]

That's how it's supposed to work.

But you're dealing with Liberal Politics 101...where EO's signed by Dem President's are as permanent as a rock...but any EO signed by a Republican President is illegal immoral and unconstitutional.

As my friend @Hopalong Ginsberg is fond of quoting (David Horowitz), "The issue isn't the issue, the Revolution is the issue."  It isn't whatever the issue of the day is that matters when the top of the pot blows off, it's the pot exploding that will matter.

[Emjay]

I think you are entirely right on both counts.

@XenaLee @Bigun  Amen to both of your posts.  It's good to see thoughtful people posting here.

[Free Vulcan]

Maybe he did.  In which case the fix is to appeal the decision up the chain of command to the circuit court. 

And if you want an actual reasoned, and (relatively) well thought out argument from r why the judge is wrong, I would recommend this blog post by patterico:  http://patterico.com/2018/04/25/federal-judge-to-hell-with-trump-long-live-barack-obamas-daca-program/

What I get tired of is the ersatz-apocalyptic nonsense being vomited on this thread.  The judge in this case, ruled on the basis that, under the Administrative Procedures Act, the Trump administration did not properly follow the law in making its decision to end the Obama EO because it didn’t adequately explain its finding that the Obama EO was illegal. 

If that finding is wrong, it should fail as a conclusion of law, not a finding of fact, which means that a reviewing court should be able to review it de novo, that is, without giving much deference to the trial judge’s decision. 

Judges make mistakes all the time, that’s why we have appellate courts.  If this judge is wrong, and I tend to think he is, then an appeal by the Trump administration should fix it. 

So, perhaps a little less hyperbole by all posting here, and a little more attention to detail, is in order.

Doesn't matter whether the EO was legal or illegal. The Prez has the right to terminate it and doesn't need to follow some kind of procedure to do so. That was just invented by this judge in order justify a reason to get their hands on it and claim some kind of jurisdiction over it.

[Chosen Daughter]

Please note I am not disagreeing with you.  I'm only suggesting if President Trump is going to tell the courts to shove something up their collective Alimentary canals, it has to be on an issue that is undeniable to the whole country.  Yes, this issue is important to us on the right (and other people who have lost loved ones to murder by these worms), but it's not quite the one issue that resonates sufficiently.  At this point I don't know what is, but it's out there.

Single biggest issue to me.  I think that is why Trump was elected.  That is what he campaigned on and all those people shouted about.

[Cyber Liberty]

Single biggest issue to me.  I think that is why Trump was elected.  That is what he campaigned on and all those people shouted about.

I can see your point, and my dislike of illegal aliens is second to none (for reasons you know).  This may very well be the issue Trump tells the court to pond sand on, and I'll be the first to tip my hat his way if he does.  I just don't think he will, and that's only my humble opinion.  He's proven me wrong before, and he's disappointed me too.

[roamer_1]

You’re always good for a laugh.

@INVAR  is precisely right on the matter.

[Chosen Daughter]

I can see your point, and my dislike of illegal aliens is second to none (for reasons you know).  This may very well be the issue Trump tells the court to pond sand on, and I'll be the first to tip my hat his way if he does.  I just don't think he will, and that's only my humble opinion.  He's proven me wrong before, and he's disappointed me too.

That is all he has been doing on immigration.  Caving.

[edpc]

That is all he has been doing on immigration.  Caving.

This is why.....


Koch Network re-evaluating midterm strategy amid frustrations with GOP

The Koch network isn’t only exasperated with Republicans for passing the $1.3 trillion spending package or frustrated by President Trump’s threatened tariffs.

They also want to see Congress act on:

    Protection for so-called Dreamers in exchange for border security.
    Criminal justice reform.
    Rolling back Dodd-Frank banking rules.
    Providing access to experimental drugs for terminally ill patients.
    A rescission package to claw back omnibus spending.
    A vote to make individual tax rate cuts permanent.

“The best opportunity they have to hold the House for their majority is to accomplish big things on policies that will improve the lives of Americans,” Phillips adds.

http://thehill.com/homenews/morning-report/384538-the-hills-morning-report


Special interest groups and big donors still run DC, keeping the swamp deep.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Whatever.   Why don’t you come back when you’ve completed first grade; then you might actually have something intelligible to say. 

So far, it’s all ideological blather untethered from reality.

Very typical response from you.  Nothing to offer, just sniping.  Still you have nothing to refute the fact that Congress did not create the power that was cited within the original post.

Your reference was not to the law but a court-rendered opinion.

So go ahead and continue the dialogue of rebuking anyone who says something contrary to you.

We all know by now how you handle people, with contempt.

[Hopalong Ginsberg]

As my friend @Hopalong Ginsberg is fond of quoting (David Horowitz), "The issue isn't the issue, the Revolution is the issue."  It isn't whatever the issue of the day is that matters when the top of the pot blows off, it's the pot exploding that will matter.

Bingo.

[libertybele]

I anticipated that it was only a matter of time before DACA slithered back into our society.  I also figured that once a judge ruled, neither party was going to accept blame.  Gee ... can't go against a court ruling now can we?

BTW...I jumped into this thread when I saw the name "Hopalong Ginsberg"!  Good one.  It gave me a chuckle anyways.  Welcome to the Briefing Room.

[Cyber Liberty]

Bingo.

TY.  I knew sooner or later I was going to use that, and I was ready with the proper attributions....

[Cyber Liberty]

BTW...I jumped into this thread when I saw the name "Hopalong Ginsberg"!  Good one.  It gave me a chuckle anyways.  Welcome to the Briefing Room.

Hoppy came over in the Great FReeper Migration....