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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2018, 01:34:49 pm »
Quote from: edpc on April 18, 2018, 07:42:15 am

It's a check and balance on a legal system that isn't infallible.  Governors have the same power over state cases.

How indeed?  How is it, for instance, that a government entity.... like say... the IRS.... has the power to target, specifically, right-leaning folks or groups?  How is it that one political party has the power to procure a warrant to spy on their opposition during an election year and campaign?  Oh wait....

so much for that "check and balance" shtick.

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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2018, 01:35:25 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on April 18, 2018, 01:31:20 pm

Now wait a minute.  I believe in giving credit where credit is due.  I'm betting that there's some Soros $$$ floating around there too.

Well no duh. Where do you think the Rats get their cash now that Harvey is persona non grata?
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2018, 01:38:59 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 18, 2018, 04:47:33 am
I guess this would put the lie to the nonsense the NY Prosecutor isn't working with Mueller, as an employee would.  Kimba Wood, too.  The NY Prosecutor puts the screws to Cohen (who, for all I know, may deserve it), and Mueller gets to spring him in exchange for some Trump dirt.  Win-win.

Actually... I call it a stanky soup-mix of corruption.   And America lose-loses every time with crap like this.  With every single corroborated story we hear about it, Americans lose faith and trust in our system of government.   But then... our system of government is based on capitalism (vs. communism)... therefore, I suppose it would be a "win-win" for da commies.   ^-^   

So...

Nevermind.
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2018, 01:40:19 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on April 18, 2018, 01:35:25 pm
Well no duh. Where do you think the Rats get their cash now that Harvey is persona non grata?

Right.  And now that plenty of folks are pissed off at Hillary for trashing their little god Bernie.   :laugh:
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2018, 01:44:04 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on April 18, 2018, 01:34:49 pm
How indeed?  How is it, for instance, that a government entity.... like say... the IRS.... has the power to target, specifically, right-leaning folks or groups?  How is it that one political party has the power to procure a warrant to spy on their opposition during an election year and campaign?  Oh wait....

so much for that "check and balance" shtick.


Had any of the individuals in question been charged or convicted, the president has the power to pardon them - that’s how.
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2018, 01:46:44 pm »
Quote from: edpc on April 18, 2018, 01:44:04 pm

Had any of the individuals in question been charged or convicted, the president has the power to pardon them - that’s how.

And... with "this" president, should he use that power, it will be just one more item listed on those articles of impeachment....used against him.   Not a very good "power" after all, eh?
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2018, 01:52:11 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on April 18, 2018, 01:46:44 pm
And... with "this" president, should he use that power, it will be just one more item listed on those articles of impeachment....used against him.   Not a very good "power" after all, eh?


He has pardoned three people, already.  So, I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2018, 01:54:00 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on April 18, 2018, 01:46:44 pm
And... with "this" president, should he use that power, it will be just one more item listed on those articles of impeachment....used against him.   Not a very good "power" after all, eh?

How so? Presidential Pardon powers are absolute and some of the most unrestricted things in the Constitution.
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2018, 01:57:31 pm »
Quote from: edpc on April 18, 2018, 01:52:11 pm

He has pardoned three people, already.  So, I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

I'm talking about the idiot left using people Trump has pardoned or will pardon (like Cohen, should he need to) against him via articles of impeachment.   They will use it like they're using everything else they can dredge up ....against him.   They will claim it's another example of obstruction of justice.  So, logically....it's not much of a "power" if/when it can (or will) be used against you.   Right?
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2018, 01:57:35 pm »
@Frank Cannon

Lawyer who said, "all the boxes are checked" so Cohen flips.  I'll look him up.

It was "Gerald Leonard "Gerry" Spence (born January 8, 1929) is a semi-retired American trial lawyer. He is a member of the American Trial Lawyers Hall of Fame.  Spence has never lost a criminal case either as a prosecutor or a defense attorney. He has not lost a civil case since 1969."
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2018, 01:58:30 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on April 18, 2018, 01:54:00 pm
How so? Presidential Pardon powers are absolute and some of the most unrestricted things in the Constitution.

There are Federal Judges who seem to have forgotten that.  The one in Phoenix required Joe Arpaio to file (and defend) motions to dismiss AFTER he got his Presidential Pardon.
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2018, 01:59:18 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on April 18, 2018, 01:54:00 pm
How so? Presidential Pardon powers are absolute and some of the most unrestricted things in the Constitution.

Uh.... so is firing of insubordinate (and/or corrupt, lying, leaking) employees.  But that's not stopping the left from using Trump's firing of Comey against him.  Just sayin....

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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2018, 02:00:02 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on April 18, 2018, 01:57:35 pm
@Frank Cannon

Lawyer who said, "all the boxes are checked" so Cohen flips.  I'll look him up.

It was "Gerald Leonard "Gerry" Spence (born January 8, 1929) is a semi-retired American trial lawyer. He is a member of the American Trial Lawyers Hall of Fame.  Spence has never lost a criminal case either as a prosecutor or a defense attorney. He has not lost a civil case since 1969."

LOL. You are listening to Gerry Spence like he knows something and is credible? Did he have his stupid fringe jacket on while he was running his mouth?
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2018, 02:02:10 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on April 18, 2018, 01:59:18 pm
Uh.... so is firing of insubordinate (and/or corrupt, lying, leaking) employees.  But that's not stopping the left from using Trump's firing of Comey against him.  Just sayin....

You said it was going to be used in the impeachment. It can't. Spinning nonsense in the MSM is a whole separate matter and if they pick that scab, their hero Holder will be exposed for his shady work on pardons.
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2018, 02:03:17 pm »
And where pray tell is Jeff Sessions? WHy is Sessions allowing this witch to continue?
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2018, 02:04:07 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on April 18, 2018, 01:57:31 pm
I'm talking about the idiot left using people Trump has pardoned or will pardon (like Cohen, should he need to) against him via articles of impeachment.   They will use it like they're using everything else they can dredge up ....against him.   They will claim it's another example of obstruction of justice.  So, logically....it's not much of a "power" if/when it can (or will) be used against you.   Right?



There are no obstruction or abuse of power risks with the people he has already pardoned. If he pardons Cohen during an active investigation, they may try.  Even if they don’t, he’d be crippled politically, so I wouldn’t expect him to do it.
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2018, 02:07:06 pm »
Quote from: edpc on April 18, 2018, 02:04:07 pm


There are no obstruction or abuse of power risks with the people he has already pardoned. If he pardons Cohen during an active investigation, they may try. Even if they don’t, he’d be crippled politically, so I wouldn’t expect him to do it.

And see....right there.  You just made my point.

It's not much of a "power".... if you can be cowed and essentially prevented from using it...

purely due to political reasons or pressures.

Case in point... Bush not full-pardoning Scooter Libby.  GWB was afraid of the political backlash from the idiot left.


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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2018, 02:08:11 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on April 18, 2018, 02:03:17 pm
And where pray tell is Jeff Sessions? WHy is Sessions allowing this witch to continue?

He was last seen dressed in a New Kids on the Block T shirt and a rat tail wig infiltrating a High School in Nebraska so he can bust kids smoking joints in the parking lot after school.
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2018, 02:08:13 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on April 18, 2018, 02:03:17 pm
And where pray tell is Jeff Sessions? WHy is Sessions allowing this witch to continue?


Part of the warrant is redacted, but he is aware of the content.  We don’t know if it included something for which he’s already recused himself.
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2018, 02:12:56 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on April 18, 2018, 02:08:11 pm
He was last seen dressed in a New Kids on the Block T shirt and a rat tail wig infiltrating a High School in Nebraska so he can bust kids smoking joints in the parking lot after school.

He's starting to remind me (a lot) of One-Bullet Barney Fife.  Only....

he doesn't even have, much less use, that one bullet...

except for when it comes to going after those eeeevil pot smokers.
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Re: Michael Cohen Will ‘Flip’ on Trump Under Threat of ‘Decades’ in Prison, Stormy Daniels’s Lawyer
« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2018, 02:25:22 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on April 18, 2018, 02:07:06 pm
And see....right there.  You just made my point.

It's not much of a "power".... if you can be cowed and essentially prevented from using it...

purely due to political reasons or pressures.

Case in point... Bush not full-pardoning Scooter Libby.  GWB was afraid of the political backlash from the idiot left.


There’s no backlash if he does it on his way out.  Obama was already elected.  He chose Option B - commutation.
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