AP FACT CHECK: An angry Trump twists facts about raid, probe

[Applewood]

AP FACT CHECK: An angry Trump twists facts about raid, probe

WASHINGTON — The FBI raid on the office and hotel room of President Donald Trump's personal lawyer provoked visceral rage from the president and a burst of misstatements. Here's a look at his remarks:

TRUMP: "So I just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys, a good man, and it's a disgraceful situation." — Comments at a meeting with military advisers Monday.

THE FACTS: It was not a break-in. The FBI executed a search warrant obtained from a judge in conducting the raid and seizing records on a variety of matters, among them a $130,000 payment made to porn actress Stormy Daniels by Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen. The application for the warrant was approved high in the Justice Department.

TRUMP: "They found no collusion whatsoever with Russia." — referring to the Mueller investigation.

THE FACTS: There has been no such finding. It's true that evidence of collusion has not emerged to date in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and the Trump campaign's relationship with Russian figures. But the investigation continues and Mueller does not disclose what his probe has found except when filing charges. Although Trump focused his fury on the Mueller probe, Monday's raid was overseen by the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan, not the special counsel. Cohen's lawyer, Stephen Ryan, said the raid was based in part on a referral from Mueller, however.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/ap-fact-check-an-angry-trump-twists-facts-about-raid-probe/ar-AAvIUPW?ocid=spartandhp

[Applewood]

Yes, I know some here won't like the source, but Trump and many of his supporters (including some in the media) have misinformed and outright lied about the raid on Cohen's office.  This presents another, possibly more accurate version of the facts.

[Sanguine]

I dunno, @Applewood.  Using the term "break-in" is like using the term "wire-tapping".  Technically, there were no actual wires tapped, but it's a general term and was used appropriately under the circumstances.

[Applewood]

To me a "break-in" means entry by force.  Picking a lock, breaking a window and such.  I understand that Cohen himself has said the FBI was courteous and professional. 

I never heard of a courteous break-in. 

So I dunno either.

[Hoodat]

Yes, I know some here won't like the source, but Trump and many of his supporters (including some in the media) have misinformed and outright lied about the raid on Cohen's office.  This presents another, possibly more accurate version of the facts.

Sounds pretty darn petty to me, @Applewood.  The second one doesn't even make sense.  It actually confirms Trump's statement.  As for the first, any invasion of privacy could be characterized as a break-in (i.e. a forced violation of a boundary).

[Frank Cannon]

Wow. What a retarded article written by a jackass. The hoops jumped through to claim Russian Collusion happened when non has been found is absurd on many counts.

BTW since when in the hell did AP become the de facto fact checker on anything? It is a hack Leftist group of blithering idiots.

[Hoodat]

Wow. What a retarded article written by a jackass. The hoops jumped through to claim Russian Collusion happened when non has been found is absurd on many counts.

Trump:  'No collusion has been found"

AP:  'There has been no such finding'

AP affirms that a negative does not exist.  Idiots.  And in the very next sentence, they ADMIT EXACTLY what Trump said.  These people are deranged.

[Frank Cannon]

Trump:  'No collusion has been found"

AP:  'There has been no such finding'

AP affirms that a negative does not exist.  Idiots.  And in the very next sentence, they ADMIT EXACTLY what Trump said.  These people are deranged.

It's the new paradigm. It happened unless there is definitive proof it didn't. If it is proved it didn't happened, the proof is a lie.

[Applewood]

I knew this article would get a rise put of Trump supporters. 

What AP is saying about collusion is that the investigation isn't finished.  So we don't know what the investigation has uncovered, if anything.  Trump's assertion that the investigation has not uncovered any collusion is premature at best.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I knew this article would get a rise put of Trump supporters. 

What AP is saying about collusion is that the investigation isn't finished.  So we don't know what the investigation has uncovered, if anything.  Trump's assertion that the investigation has not uncovered any collusion is premature at best.

The AP also seems to be saying( let me use terms Trumper's understand ) 'Only idiots, retards, and jackasses would refer to a legal search warrant as "Breaking In."'  Makes perfect sense to me.  I wonder why Cult45 is confused?

[DCPatriot]

I knew this article would get a rise put of Trump supporters. 

What AP is saying about collusion is that the investigation isn't finished.  So we don't know what the investigation has uncovered, if anything.  Trump's assertion that the investigation has not uncovered any collusion is premature at best.

 So....you fully admit that your intention was to start a fight.   

Thank you for your honesty.

[aligncare]

How has President Trump, who has suffered the greatest daily incoming fire (of lies and distortions) from media and political critics, of any president in his first year – probably in American history, how has he still managed to steadily rise in the polls to above 50%?

Because not only does his base support him, but non affiliated people also like him better than congress (approval at 10%) and media (approval 32%).

[Applewood]

So....you fully admit that your intention was to start a fight.   

Thank you for your honesty.

I admit no such thing.  I had hoped to get people calmed down and look at the whole matter rationally instead of going into hysterics because Trump and his allies are telling them what a catastrophe this is. 

But as usual, the resident Trump supporters once again rejected reason and dutifully continue to parrot their leader's histrionics.

[Concerned]

Of course it wasn't a "break-in".  Even the President's attorney said the search was "extremely professional, courteous and respectful".  I really do despise liars. 

[aligncare]

I like it when Trump uses the same tactics the media uses: set the narrative first before the other guys do. It was a break in, got it? a break-in. It’s one against the media hoards and the bully pulpit can be a powerful tool in combating media propaganda.

[Applewood]

I like it when Trump uses the same tactics the media uses: set the narrative first before the other guys do. It was a break in, got it? a break-in. It’s one against the media hoards and the bully pulpit can be a powerful tool in combating media propaganda.

Except that he's lying.

[DCPatriot]

Except that he's lying.

Did they use a key to enter the localities?   Or, did they force the door(s)?   

[Applewood]

Did they use a key to enter the localities?   Or, did they force the door(s)?   

Or were they let in?

[aligncare]

Except that he's lying.

Marquess of Queensberry rules work only in a fair boxing match, not in war. And you know what they say about politics and war.

[Applewood]

Marquess of Queensberry rules work only in a fair boxing match, not in war. And you know what they say about politics and war.

So lying is ok if Trump does it?

[aligncare]

Except that he's lying.

BTW, how do you know he’s lying. Because media told you so and you believe the lying liberal media.

[Applewood]

BTW, how do you know he’s lying. Because media told you so and you believe the lying liberal media.

And how do you know he's telling the truth? 

There was no forced entry.  Cohen himself countered the "break-in" assertion by characterizing the agents as courteous and professional.    Trump wasn't present during the raid and neither were we.  But Cohen was and I believe him before i believe Trump.

What about the rest of Trump's assertions as described in the AP article?  For example, he ties the recent nosedives in the stock market to the Mueller investigation when most every analyst has said those declines were the result of Trump's trade war.  Sorry, but I believe the financial experts before I believe Trump. 

[aligncare]

[Hoodat]

I knew this article would get a rise put of Trump supporters. 

As an avid Cruz supporter, I am not willing to sacrifice integrity for political expediency.  And I recognize non-rational persuasion when I see it.  A broken clock may be correct only two times a day.  But at those times when it is correct, I will openly admit the truth of that even if I don't like that particular clock.

What AP is saying about collusion is that the investigation isn't finished.  So we don't know what the investigation has uncovered, if anything.

No.  AP is calling out Trump for being untruthful.  And AP is dead wrong.

Trump's assertion that the investigation has not uncovered any collusion is premature at best.

Trump's assertion that the investigation has not uncovered any collusion is dead-on accurate.  And AP freely admits it.  In the event that collusion is discovered at some future point, it doesn't change the factual accuracy of Trump's current statement.

[Hoodat]

Of course it wasn't a "break-in".  Even the President's attorney said the search was "extremely professional, courteous and respectful".  I really do despise liars.

The "liars" would be the ones using the term "break-in".  Notice that the term "break-in" came from AP, not from Trump.