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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #100 on: April 08, 2018, 09:23:35 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on April 05, 2018, 10:52:46 pm
If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich if he is the only one running against Trump.  Dump on Kasich but he is not crazy.  If he says something, he means it, you can depend on what he says.  A conservative family member lives in Ohio, and has nothing bad to say about him.

Sound like Bernie and John could take up together.  I know I am not going in that direction.  It is either a person with a believable faith in God and love for family or I am not voting.
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #101 on: April 08, 2018, 09:27:43 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on April 08, 2018, 09:23:35 pm
Sound like Bernie and John could take up together.  I know I am not going in that direction.  It is either a person with a believable faith in God and love for family or I am not voting.

Somebody mentioned upthread that Kasich is buttering up Chickenpooper, Dem from Colorado, for a 2020 ticket.
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #102 on: April 08, 2018, 10:51:20 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 08, 2018, 09:27:43 pm
Somebody mentioned upthread that Kasich is buttering up Chickenpooper, Dem from Colorado, for a 2020 ticket.

Yes, Kasich and the Pooper have been in discussion about 2020.  Kasich wants to demonstrate that he has the ability to work across party lines.  His intent is only to disrupt those conservatives within the GOP.
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #103 on: April 09, 2018, 12:46:10 pm »
Quote from: Mesaclone on April 08, 2018, 08:49:49 pm
Well stated, sir. Just wanted to add that Aurelius "Meditiations" was a life changing read for me as well...would that we had a Marcus Aurelius in modern politics to save the day! Aurelius understood that life is a about balance, acceptance and having the humility to see our place in this universe in all its glory and insignificance...the paradox of who we are.

I'd recommend Cicero's "On the Good Life"...another great man of deep wisdom, more practical than Aurelius and perhaps a bit more optimistic about human nature. A man who can incorporate Cicero and Aurelius into his daily life is destined to be content with all things as they are.

To me, there is something exhilarating about men who lived 2000 years ago sharing wisdom that is still so applicable today.  It demonstrates a shared humanity of immense durability.

I'll take the Cicero recommendation as well.  I've some of his speeches, but the book looks great.
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #104 on: April 09, 2018, 04:34:15 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on April 08, 2018, 10:51:20 pm
Yes, Kasich and the Pooper have been in discussion about 2020.  Kasich wants to demonstrate that he has the ability to work across party lines.  His intent is only to disrupt those conservatives within the GOP.

Maybe his intent is to devise a new coalition that can appeal to those turned off by extremism from both the right and the left.  Is there a place in either party these days for someone who's conservative on economic/fiscal matters but moderate on social issues?   

I have disagreements with the man,  but he strikes me as having a good head and a good heart.   
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #105 on: April 09, 2018, 05:35:12 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on April 09, 2018, 04:34:15 pm
Maybe his intent is to devise a new coalition that can appeal to those turned off by extremism from both the right and the left.  Is there a place in either party these days for someone who's conservative on economic/fiscal matters but moderate on social issues?   

I have disagreements with the man,  but he strikes me as having a good head and a good heart.

It's more likely he wants to reprise the spoiler role he played in 2016 against an as-yet unknown opponent.  He'd love to be the one to undermine Trump in the Primaries sufficiently to damage Trump enough to make him either lose in the Primaries or lose in the General Election.

I don't think Kasich is a good man at all.
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #106 on: April 09, 2018, 05:53:58 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on April 09, 2018, 04:34:15 pm
Maybe his intent is to devise a new coalition that can appeal to those turned off by extremism from both the right and the left.  Is there a place in either party these days for someone who's conservative on economic/fiscal matters but moderate on social issues?   

I have disagreements with the man,  but he strikes me as having a good head and a good heart.

In all seriousness, how is Kasich conservative on economic/fiscal issues?  He's apparently fallen for the "Jesus was a socialist" fallacy, and equates government spending with personal contributions to the poor.  When every government spending decisions is measured against "would Jesus give them this money"....there isn't much (if any) room less for economic/fiscal conservatism.  I think he's probably to the left of where Bill Clinton was.

He's one Republican for whom I would not vote even if he was running against Kamala Harris, Bernie, Warren, or a leftist of similar ilk.
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #107 on: April 09, 2018, 06:35:19 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on April 09, 2018, 05:53:58 pm
In all seriousness, how is Kasich conservative on economic/fiscal issues?  He's apparently fallen for the "Jesus was a socialist" fallacy, and equates government spending with personal contributions to the poor.  When every government spending decisions is measured against "would Jesus give them this money"....there isn't much (if any) room less for economic/fiscal conservatism.  I think he's probably to the left of where Bill Clinton was.

He's one Republican for whom I would not vote even if he was running against Kamala Harris, Bernie, Warren, or a leftist of similar ilk.

It depends on what sort of conservatism floats your boat.   Kasich developed a reputation as a budget and deficit hawk while a Congressman;  he even opposed the B-2 bomber if I recall on such grounds.   

If you care about deficits and their long-term impact on future generations,  I'd say Kasich is a darn good choice.  I think he would also have the courage to tackle entitlement reform.   He also has a consistent pro-life record.   But if conservatism and Christianity to you means telling the old and the poor and the infirm and the addicted to go to hell, then, sure, Kasich isn't going to have much appeal.  His heart's not made of stone.     




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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #108 on: April 09, 2018, 06:44:56 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on April 09, 2018, 06:35:19 pm
IBut if conservatism and Christianity to you means telling the old and the poor and the infirm and the addicted to go to hell, then, sure, Kasich isn't going to have much appeal.  His heart's not made of stone.     

You're in prime form today, @Jazzhead.  (applause)
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #109 on: April 12, 2018, 08:51:44 pm »

Carr: Pathetic ‘kinetic’ John Kasich thinks he can be a contender
Howie Carr
Wednesday, April 11, 2018

Is there any more pathetic governor than John Kasich?

Actually, now that I think about it: maybe one, Gov. Charlie “Tall Deval” Baker.

They do have a couple of things in common. They’re RINOs — Republicans in Name Only — and they’re on the lam.

Tall Deval fled Boston yesterday, lammed it down Route 24 to Westport for a chamber of commerce gathering with some very ethical Bristol County statesmen. Maybe he wanted to deliver a personal check to the brand-new legal-defense fund that Fall River Mayor Jasiel Correia has just set up for himself … .

But as far as Tall Deval was concerned, hobnobbing with the local criminal class beat being photographed with Vice President Mike Pence, who was in Boston at the Langham Hotel for a $15,000-a-head GOP fundraiser. God forbid the governor should get political ­cooties from his old pal in the Republican Governors Association. ...

Kasich is barnstorming the Granite State in his spare time, of which he seems to have plenty, as a “thoughtful, intelligent, kinetic person.” Those are the words of the Concord Monitor, which is even more worthless in a Republican primary than the Union Leader. In other words, he’s “grown” and “evolved.” To put it more bluntly, Kasich hates Trump. That makes him kinetic, I guess.

Did you know that Kasich is the son of a mailman? In 2016, the voters said, “Return to Sender.” He was the last GOP candidate Trump pinned a nickname on. The moniker: “One-for-38,” for the number of primaries he a) won, and b) ran in. ...   More at Boston Herald
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #110 on: April 12, 2018, 09:07:52 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on April 12, 2018, 08:51:44 pm
Carr: Pathetic ‘kinetic’ John Kasich thinks he can be a contender
Howie Carr
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Is there any more pathetic governor than John Kasich?



None that I can think of.   :shrug:
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #111 on: April 12, 2018, 10:53:56 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on April 12, 2018, 09:07:52 pm
None that I can think of.   :shrug:

Well, there is Charlie Crist and Jeb!
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #112 on: April 12, 2018, 11:15:25 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on April 12, 2018, 10:53:56 pm
Well, there is Charlie Crist and Jeb!
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #113 on: April 12, 2018, 11:53:08 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on April 12, 2018, 11:15:25 pm
I miss those Crist steak house's up here's

Guess he didn't have time to run restaurants and chase ambulances at the same time.  Heard he gave the restaurants to someone named Ruth.  I suspect that old broad that sleeps through court cases, but I have no proof of that.
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #114 on: April 13, 2018, 12:33:01 am »


   She looks like someone associated with @Frank Cannon
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #115 on: April 13, 2018, 12:35:01 am »
Who the Rochester is responsible for relighting this used diaper of a thread?
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #116 on: April 13, 2018, 12:36:25 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on April 12, 2018, 10:53:56 pm
Well, there is Charlie Crist and Jeb!

True but their careers are pretty much over.  The demented windmill wants to make another lame attempt at running for president so he can take votes away from the GOP and put a DEM in the oval office. He's a  flippin' jack rabbit!

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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #117 on: April 13, 2018, 12:42:50 am »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on April 13, 2018, 12:35:01 am
Who the Rochester is responsible for relighting this used diaper of a thread?

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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #118 on: April 13, 2018, 12:51:05 am »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on April 13, 2018, 12:35:01 am
Who the Rochester is responsible for relighting this used diaper of a thread?

Who in the heck in their right mind would spend $70 for a Kasich diaper bag??

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Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #119 on: April 13, 2018, 12:53:27 am »
Quote from: libertybele on April 13, 2018, 12:51:05 am
Who in the heck in their right mind would spend $70 for a Kasich diaper bag??



I can think of one poster.....

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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #120 on: April 13, 2018, 12:53:32 am »
Quote from: libertybele on April 13, 2018, 12:51:05 am
Who in the heck in their right mind would spend $70 for a Kasich diaper bag??



Noooo!  He's really that serious?
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #121 on: April 13, 2018, 12:58:26 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on April 13, 2018, 12:53:32 am
Noooo!  He's really that serious?

I don't know if he is, but somebody seems to be.  @Frank Cannon nails it a couple posts up.
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #122 on: April 13, 2018, 01:01:00 am »
   What better to carry around a bunch of shit in.
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #123 on: April 13, 2018, 01:03:30 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on April 13, 2018, 12:53:32 am
Noooo!  He's really that serious?

Hard to believe, I know but he has a pretty 'warped' base.  Looks like Arnold is hoping he runs too; nothing like one RINO endorsing another.  :rolling:

https://www.cafepress.com/+john-kasich+diaper-bags
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/politics/arnold-schwarzenegger-john-kasich-2020/index.html
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Re: Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
« Reply #124 on: April 13, 2018, 01:04:10 am »
Quote from: corbe on April 13, 2018, 01:01:00 am
   What better to carry around a bunch of shit in.

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Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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