I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead   Nice.       BTW...
How long till you are back to whatever us 60+ year olds call 100%.   

Many months, it appears.  A torn tendon heals much more slowly, I am told, than a broken bone.  The biggest challenge will be getting up and down stairs.   I don't expect to ever run again.   

[WingNot]

Many months, it appears.  A torn tendon heals much more slowly, I am told, than a broken bone.  The biggest challenge will be getting up and down stairs.   I don't expect to ever run again.

Take up cycling. Great for ROM and it is low impact (if you don't fall off). It's better for you than running and great cardio.

[Jazzhead]

Take up cycling. Great for ROM and it is low impact (if you don't fall off). It's better for you than running and great cardio.

That's a good idea, WN - at first on a stationary bike at the gym.   

[WingNot]

That's a good idea, WN - at first on a stationary bike at the gym.

Small step!.. Small Steps.

[endicom]

Dunno about good, but a better choice would have been to send the bill back to Congress...

They were out of town.

[Sanguine]

They were out of town.

They were on their way out of town, but what relevance does that have? 

[endicom]

Excuse you, but it was INSISTED upon by the supporters for Trump - that he was going to negotiate great deals, stop Congress from ripping us off and to drain the swamp.

Johnny One Note, you need some new material.

[endicom]

They were on their way out of town, but what relevance does that have?

There wasn't anyone to send the bill back to. It was timed to be so.

[Sanguine]

There wasn't anyone to send the bill back to. It was timed to be so.

So what?  It didn't impede him from refusing to sign the damned thing and sending it back to Congress.  That's a meaningless excuse.

[INVAR]

Johnny One Note, you need some new material.

Nope.  I like this note.  I'll keep singing it because you people kept shoving your note down everyone's throat during the last election and since then.


So whatever happened to this great 'Art of the deal-maker' you promised and insisted your leader was?  This invulnerable outsider who was going to MAGA?

Whatever happened to your insistences that Trump was going to 'drain the swamp' by the mere power of his presence and the might of his breath once he got into the Oval office?

Either he was full of shit from the beginning and like gullible lemmings, you jumped right off the cliff with him, or you people knew he was full of shit and pushed him on voters because you just wanted to watch him make the media squirm.

In any case, it demonstrates that you Trump supporters have no discernible judgment skills we should trust or acknowledge as having any validity to consider.

[Cyber Liberty]

There wasn't anyone to send the bill back to. It was timed to be so.

Pocket vetoes work.  He could have left them to twist in the wind, but it appears he was more interested in their comfort than ours.  He also should have a whole page of recess appointments to go as well.  Where are they?

[endicom]

Nope.  I like this note.  I'll keep singing it because you people kept shoving your note down everyone's throat during the last election and since then.

I didn't know there is a member named 'you people.' But I'll keep an eye out for this person.

[Sanguine]

I didn't know there is a member named 'you people.' But I'll keep an eye out for this person.

Not even a good dodge.

[endicom]

Not even a good dodge.

I've nothing to dodge. You've certainly not given me anything to dodge.

[INVAR]

Not even a good dodge.

I'm of the belief that many of 'those people' knew Trump was full of shit, but they did not, and still do not give a shit themselves.

He is their 'wrecking ball', same as Obama was the Marxist Left's 'wrecking ball'.

They do not care if he makes MAGA.  They just want to see punishment inflicted upon those they blame and hate.   So, I do not expect them to answer the obvious questions about why all those things they insisted Trump was going to do - have not materialized.

I simply enjoy pointing out how void of discernment and judgement they are, which is what happens when principles are discarded for pragmatism.  The person becomes devoid of substance and only an acolyte of that which they attach themselves to, which they must defend at any and all costs - even when it is self-evident it was all bullshit.

It is how members of a cult behave.

[WingNot]

It is how members of a cult behave.

You were doing so well.  Then Boom you have to just hurl out the dig. 

Dude.  Let it go. 

[the_doc]

@Sanguine

Yes, your cynicism is probably justified in this case. 

Heck, I agree with Schlichter on all three of his main points:

1) Congress was deliberately sabotaging Trump's program.  This is a no-brainer. 

2)  Trump messed up badly by not shepherding the legislation better--so, he deserves considerable blame for Omni-Bust.  Schlichter stipulates this.  We ought to notice that so we can more calmly appreciate Schlichter's main point in the article.  (See below.)

3)  Schlichter maintains that Trump had to sign the bill.  I am no Trump sycophant, but I think we ought to pay more attention to what Schlichter is saying. 

I would elaborate on Schlichter's position by saying that it is inconceivable that POTUS was trying to curry favor with the leftists--since Trump obviously knew he was going to infuriate most of his base by signing the abominable bill.  The only reasonable explanation for Trump signing the bill in spite of terrible repercussions from conservatives is surely what Schlichter was telling us:  Trump signed it as a matter of national security.  The military and the DOJ and the intelligence community need money and they need it right now--not just several weeks from now.   

Let's wait and see what happens in the timeframe of the shutdown that Trump averted by signing the bill.

(In the interests of full disclosure, let me say that I am something of a Schlichter sycophant.  He's one of the best pundits online, IMHO.  And I think it is pretty crass to insinuate that Schlichter is just motivated by filthy lucre.)

[Jazzhead]

Pocket vetoes work.  He could have left them to twist in the wind

Who he'd have left twisting in the wind are our fighting men.   Kudos to President Trump for having his priorities in order. 

[the_doc]

They were on their way out of town, but what relevance does that have?

See my post above.

[Jazzhead]

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I would elaborate on Schlichter's position by saying that it is inconceivable that POTUS was trying to curry favor with the leftists--since Trump obviously knew he was going to infuriate most of his base by signing the abominable bill.  The only reasonable explanation for Trump signing the bill in spite of terrible repercussions from conservatives is surely what Schlichter was telling us:  Trump signed it as a matter of national security.  The military and the DOJ and the intelligence community need money and they need it right now--not just several weeks from now.   

Bingo.   

[INVAR]

You were doing so well.  Then Boom you have to just hurl out the dig. 

Dude.  Let it go.

My apologies if my notation of how people entrapped in a cult behave, garnered your irk.

I do not read you acting in a like manner, so I was not directing the observation at you.

[INVAR]

Trump signed it as a matter of national security.  The military and the DOJ and the intelligence community need money and they need it right now--not just several weeks from now.   

That is just pure bullshit.

As has been noted and repeatedly ignored by those pushing this meme that Trump had to sign it to give funds to our military:

Trump ALREADY SIGNED FOR THOSE SPENDING INCREASES ON FEBRUARY 9th!

Trump signed a 700 BILLION DOLLAR Military Budget into law on February 9th, the largest budget they have ever received

700 and 719 B-B-BILLION dollars for this year and next year.  Appropriations Trump made law just over one month ago.

To wit:

The enormous increases in defense spending agreed to by lawmakers on Friday (February 9th, and signed by Trump the same day), go beyond what Trump originally asked for.  Of the $700 million in spending for the 2018 budget year that started last Oct. 1, about $629 billion is for core Pentagon operations and nearly $71 billion is for the wars in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

Trump had requested a 2018 military budget of $603 billion for basic functions and $65 billion for war missions.

The deal Congress approved early Friday also sets the Pentagon's 2019 budget at $716 billion, giving Mattis the financial stability he's been demanding.

This claim that Trump had to sign this Omnibus bill this past Friday to get money to our 'fighting men and women' is simply bullshit.  The money was already appropriated and approved to be spent by Trump in the CR on February 9th.

[Sanguine]

See my post above.

Two out of three ain't bad. I agree with your first point.  That's obvious.

#2 - agreed.  Trump should have done some work getting a bill that he should sign.

#3 - as someone who knows whereof she speaks, I completely disagree.  Yes, the military needs to be rebuilt, but there are many more systemic problems that must be dealt with in order to do that.  It's similar to pointing out that the results of our education system are awful and therefore we need to throw more money at it and fast without ever addressing the real problems.

Edited to add: I see Invar addressed the same point, just above.

[XenaLee]

So what?  It didn't impede him from refusing to sign the damned thing and sending it back to Congress.  That's a meaningless excuse.

This is probably another false hope scenario....but...

a caller on talk radio threw it out there....

that Trump was planning to throw down on this legislation, when it expires....

right before the 2018 election.  He posits that it may be Trump's idea of an "October surprise" intended to gain the votes of is base (back) just in time .... by adhering to his "I'm not going to do this again" promise. 

I'd like to think it's true... but I've become a pessimist to the nth lately.   

[Sanguine]

This is probably another false hope scenario....but...

a caller on talk radio threw it out there....

that Trump was planning to throw down on this legislation, when it expires....

right before the 2018 election.  He posits that it may be Trump's idea of an "October surprise" intended to gain the votes of is base (back) just in time .... by adhering to his "I'm not going to do this again" promise. 

I'd like to think it's true... but I've become a pessimist to the nth lately.   

I suppose it could be that dimensional chess, but the problem is that the national debt has now been increased by how many more trillion dollars?  And, PP has gotten an additional 1/2 billion, and the wall isn't funded...etc.