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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #75 on: March 26, 2018, 06:52:54 pm »
The voluntary confederation of the several States,  including the delegation of authority to a federal government to regulate interstate commerce and to provide for taxation to promote the common welfare, is not Communism.   That you suggest it is shows ignorance rather than mere foolishness.
Since you adhere to some desire to seek the collective monies from all to be doled out by some higher-up authority, that is indeed Communism espoused by Marx and his followers.

Freedom via our Constitutional process says nay to that.

Further, we do not belong to a Confederation as you state, nor we delegate all interstate commerce to a federal entity.

A lot of states engage in activities between themselves without the federal presence, just as the states of New York and New Jersey did when they constructed tunnels and bridges years ago between their two states.

To ask other states to support what benefits only these two is making a mockery of the Constitution we live under, not matter you wishing otherwise.

To take your hypothesis of 'the benefit of these two states serving the benefit of the whole' to its logical conclusion, ALL activity of any state benefits all other states, which is clearly against the Constitution we adhere to and must be a rejected notion.

It must be bliss to live under such ignorance of our laws as you apparently do.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #76 on: March 26, 2018, 07:10:46 pm »
It must be bliss to live under such ignorance of our laws as you apparently do.

He is not ignorant.  He knows exactly what he is and why he advocates what he does.

Those of us on this board would be stupid to grant him any benefit of the doubt given his posting history.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #77 on: March 26, 2018, 07:25:44 pm »
He is not ignorant.  He knows exactly what he is and why he advocates what he does.

Those of us on this board would be stupid to grant him any benefit of the doubt given his posting history.
He will note my comment on ignorance is simply throwing back what he said to me.

All liberals would have you believe they are the only intelligent ones speaking, and he is displaying his own lack of understanding in what he actually says on this thread.

He made three errors in his short comment to me.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2018, 08:08:23 pm »
He will note my comment on ignorance is simply throwing back what he said to me.

All liberals would have you believe they are the only intelligent ones speaking, and he is displaying his own lack of understanding in what he actually says on this thread.

He made three errors in his short comment to me.

Yes, exactly.  But he will never own up to them, instead he will do what he always does, doubles down on his Communist position and lectures you on your selfishness and lack of wisdom.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #79 on: March 26, 2018, 08:17:52 pm »
Attack the argument, not the person.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #80 on: March 26, 2018, 08:39:19 pm »
Attack the argument, not the person.

As the voice of reason on this site, I would like to point out that attacking the person in a argument is a time honored tradition in American history.

How dare you denigrate this fine part of our national identity.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #81 on: March 26, 2018, 08:42:02 pm »
Attack the argument, not the person.

We are attacking the tactics used in his arguments based on posting history.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #82 on: March 26, 2018, 08:44:40 pm »
That's right.  Every deliberate failure by a conservative to vote,  or to vote for a vanity candidate,  empowers the vote of a liberal.

That's a bullchit argument right there.   Many American voters refuse to vote straight ticket (blanket party voting).  Many Americans are more selective than just blindly voting straight Republican or straight Democratic.  Are you really trying to say that by being selective you're empowering the opposition party?  BS. 

But I can understand how it is that you are in favor of blind party voting, no matter what that party may do or have done re: betrayals and broken promises.  I get the "why".  As does most folks here that know you only too well from your postings.

No quarter given to the enemy within...ever.

You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #83 on: March 26, 2018, 08:45:37 pm »
We are attacking the tactics used in his arguments based on posting history.

Take it up in a PM, not here on the board.  Again, attack the argument and don't make it personal.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #84 on: March 26, 2018, 09:11:17 pm »
Better yet.... if you are a Conservative (a rightie).... the question begs....
Which is why the GOP will now lose control of Congress.   Which is, I suspect, exactly how they want things to go.... considering how many times they have betrayed their base.
@XenaLee
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@CatherineofAragon

No, you have to know they don't want to lose their jobs, don't want that to happen.  In campaigning for this election, they will blame the Democrats.  Doesn't matter what they use in their campaign, people will vote for the Democrat because they don't like Trump personally.  The election is about him.  I think Independents will vote against Trump no matter who the Dem is.  Add Republicans who won't vote for him or a Democrat, leave those ballot seats blank, and Dems win the majority of seats in House and Senate. 

I don't know what will happen in November in all states; I do know it looks bad for Texas due to the increase of hundreds of thousands of Dems voting in the primary when they have never done that before.  I think this will happen in all states due to the fact of loss of Republican seats in the special elections that have been held since Trump took office.

I try to stick with facts/numbers when "predicting" what might happen in elections.  If some on here personally attack me for this post, I won't answer them.  They are wasting their fingers' actions and this fake paper.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2018, 09:14:14 pm »
@XenaLee
@mystery-ak
@CatherineofAragon

No, you have to know they don't want to lose their jobs, don't want that to happen.  In campaigning for this election, they will blame the Democrats.  Doesn't matter what they use in their campaign, people will vote for the Democrat because they don't like Trump personally.  The election is about him.  I think Independents will vote against Trump no matter who the Dem is.  Add Republicans who won't vote for him or a Democrat, leave those ballot seats blank, and Dems win the majority of seats in House and Senate. 

I don't know what will happen in November in all states; I do know it looks bad for Texas due to the increase of hundreds of thousands of Dems voting in the primary when they have never done that before.  I think this will happen in all states due to the fact of loss of Republican seats in the special elections that have been held since Trump took office.

I try to stick with facts/numbers when "predicting" what might happen in elections.  If some on here personally attack me for this post, I won't answer them.  They are wasting their fingers' actions and this fake paper.

@Victoria33, what do you think of closed primaries?  I'm a delegate to the state convention and plan on supporting this.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2018, 09:17:26 pm »
Perfection is a) in the eye of the beholder; and, b) not attainable in mortal society. Conservatives and libertarians believe in a free, not
a perfect society that imperfect men and woman can never truly create. Trotting out the old "the perfect is the enemy of the good" argument
then requires a serious examination as to whether the "good" is, in fact, good, in the present case. Somehow, I just don't think a piece
of legislation that metastasises deficits and debt and presents spending plans that would provoke orgasms in the Obamas and Clintons and
Pelosis of this world can be considered "the good."
To be negated soon enough by runaway federal spending and Donaldus Minimus's tariffs. It won't be long before we look back on the tax cuts
(for which even the most recalcitrant NT gave him credit, by the way, when they first came down the pike) and say, "They were nice while they
lasted."
Reversing Obama's regulatory executive orders are a) good; but, b) something on the line of putting out a fire on one tree while the whole damn
forest still blazes. There remain all manner, and several tons worth, of needless regulations to eliminate that weren't put into place by executive
order, and neither Donaldus Minimus nor this Congress seems all that much inclined to address them, and you can bet safely that enough of
them are regulations under which they profit in one or another way.
Such a priority that Donaldus Minimus's tariffs and trade wars are going to eliminate a sizeable share of the former (he's not the first president
who's going to learn that the hard way, but this is a president who doesn't learn from history because he can't---he's interested in precious
little history unless it involves him directly, in some way) and put a muzzle on the latter, soon enough.
Well, we do have Justice Gorsuch. And maybe Donaldus Minimus will once again listen to the right people if and when there's another Supreme Court
vacancy to fill before his time is up. (Rumours persist at this writing that Justice Kennedy has retirement on his mind . . . )
If by "a world of their own you mean standing foursquare and no less for freedom, what's left of it; for individual rights and responsibilities; and, for a
properly-construed government---meaning, a government whose sole legitimate business, other than protecting us from enemies actual and
provably iminent from abroad and predators (real predators, please, not mere vicemongers), is to stay the hell out of your business, my
business, everyone's business, until or unless one would obstruct or abrogate another's equivalent rights---as opposed to the improperly-consecrated
State (which sees fit to poke its nose into all of one and all's business, whether it is competent or constitutionally sanctioned to do so) under which we've
lived only too long, then, yes, we inhabit a world of our own.
Where have I heard that argument before? Oh, yes---during the years in which the constitutional floutings and wild spending at every three-card monte
stand in town of George W. Bush and his Republican Congresses led a) to a Democratic takeover of Congress in 2006; and, b) to the advent of His Excellency
Al-Hashish Field Marshmallow Dr. Barack Obama Dada, COD, RIP, LSMFT, Would-Have-Been-Life President of the Republic Formerly Known as the United States.
Exactly how many times are we supposed to buy the same old Kickapoo Joy Juice in how many new, gussied up bottles and believe we're finally
getting a legitimate bottle of wine?
Well Said! 888high58888
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2018, 09:18:06 pm »
@XenaLee
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@CatherineofAragon

No, you have to know they don't want to lose their jobs, don't want that to happen.  In campaigning for this election, they will blame the Democrats.  Doesn't matter what they use in their campaign, people will vote for the Democrat because they don't like Trump personally.  The election is about him.  I think Independents will vote against Trump no matter who the Dem is.  Add Republicans who won't vote for him or a Democrat, leave those ballot seats blank, and Dems win the majority of seats in House and Senate. 

I don't know what will happen in November in all states; I do know it looks bad for Texas due to the increase of hundreds of thousands of Dems voting in the primary when they have never done that before.  I think this will happen in all states due to the fact of loss of Republican seats in the special elections that have been held since Trump took office.

I try to stick with facts/numbers when "predicting" what might happen in elections.  If some on here personally attack me for this post, I won't answer them.  They are wasting their fingers' actions and this fake paper.

Yeah, well... blaming the Democrats (the ssdd blame game) won't work this time.  Maybe even never again.... since.... they made promises based on that "if only" you voters voted us into power/majority control.  We did.  And what did we get for it? 

I predict (not rocket surgery, after all...lol)... that this November will be a bloodbath for the GOP.  And same goes for 2020 unless they get their act together and manage to extract their heads from that 'too comfy' place it's been.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #88 on: March 26, 2018, 09:26:54 pm »
@XenaLee
@mystery-ak
@CatherineofAragon

No, you have to know they don't want to lose their jobs, don't want that to happen.  In campaigning for this election, they will blame the Democrats.  Doesn't matter what they use in their campaign, people will vote for the Democrat because they don't like Trump personally.  The election is about him.  I think Independents will vote against Trump no matter who the Dem is.  Add Republicans who won't vote for him or a Democrat, leave those ballot seats blank, and Dems win the majority of seats in House and Senate. 

I don't know what will happen in November in all states; I do know it looks bad for Texas due to the increase of hundreds of thousands of Dems voting in the primary when they have never done that before.  I think this will happen in all states due to the fact of loss of Republican seats in the special elections that have been held since Trump took office.

I try to stick with facts/numbers when "predicting" what might happen in elections.  If some on here personally attack me for this post, I won't answer them.  They are wasting their fingers' actions and this fake paper.
For me, the candidate successful in getting my vote will have a track record of Conservative policy and actions or they will not get my vote (any of them). I'll look at any candidate, but do not expect much from either major party.
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C S Lewis

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2018, 09:36:36 pm »
@Victoria33, what do you think of closed primaries?  I'm a delegate to the state convention and plan on supporting this.
@Sanguine


Absolutely, I would be in favor of that for states in which the voter officially "registers" as Dem/Rep/Green Party, Independent, etc.

In Texas, we don't register as being of any party.  If you vote in the Republican Primary, you are labeled as a Republican until the next primary.  It is the same for any party recognized by the state as an official party. 

In a primary in our county, the side-kick of the Democrat Party Chairman, ran for Republican Party Chairman against the present Republican Party Chairman, which was my husband.  In this guy's announcement article for chairman in our newspaper, he said he would make a good Republican chairman because he was a cheerleader in our high school.  (He had also been convicted for having sex with a child, was on probation.)  Naturally, he got some votes from his Democrat friends who crossed over to vote in the Republican Primary.  Naturally, he didn't win.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #90 on: March 26, 2018, 09:48:45 pm »
Since everyone ignore my post all take that as meaning I was 100% correct. And I'll repeat myself

Why vote GOP? There is really only one reason given the sorry state of the GOP today,
Federal Judges.

How ever in 2018 you have another reason to vote R if you want to see the House and Senate
continue their investigation of corruption at DOJ/FBI/CIA/IRS/State and other feds agencies.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #91 on: March 26, 2018, 09:51:49 pm »
they made promises based on that "if only" you voters voted us into power/majority control.  We did.  And what did we get for it? 


You voted for Trump? Well good for you.  :beer:

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #92 on: March 26, 2018, 09:54:07 pm »
@Victoria33, what do you think of closed primaries?  I'm a delegate to the state convention and plan on supporting this.

Put me down as in favor too. I hate that in red states Ds vote for the most liberal R.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #93 on: March 26, 2018, 10:12:09 pm »
Since everyone ignore my post all take that as meaning I was 100% correct. And I'll repeat myself

Why vote GOP? There is really only one reason given the sorry state of the GOP today,
Federal Judges.

If we have really arrived at the place where what remains of our liberties is wholly dependent upon whom a party and president put on the bench - then this Republic is officially over and all y'all are just comfortable living in a Socialist mobocracy that will change as often as the weather depending upon whom is able to get their kind onto the courts to rule on their behalf.


How ever in 2018 you have another reason to vote R if you want to see the House and Senate
continue their investigation of corruption at DOJ/FBI/CIA/IRS/State and other feds agencies.

That's just Kabuki Theater ala Issa.

Not a damn thing is going to come of any 'corruption' except for little sacrificial lambs tossed out to the public to assuage their angst.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #94 on: March 26, 2018, 10:20:20 pm »
@Sanguine


Absolutely, I would be in favor of that for states in which the voter officially "registers" as Dem/Rep/Green Party, Independent, etc.

In Texas, we don't register as being of any party.  If you vote in the Republican Primary, you are labeled as a Republican until the next primary.  It is the same for any party recognized by the state as an official party. 

In a primary in our county, the side-kick of the Democrat Party Chairman, ran for Republican Party Chairman against the present Republican Party Chairman, which was my husband.  In this guy's announcement article for chairman in our newspaper, he said he would make a good Republican chairman because he was a cheerleader in our high school.  (He had also been convicted for having sex with a child, was on probation.)  Naturally, he got some votes from his Democrat friends who crossed over to vote in the Republican Primary.  Naturally, he didn't win.

We have a situation in our county where three candidates are running on the R ticket and being supported by the NAACP.  Apparently, they feel they have to change parties to win, and presumably will revert to their progressive roots if/when elected. 

(Not that that has anything to do with primaries; just a comment on the situation.)
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #95 on: March 26, 2018, 10:22:30 pm »
@Victoria33, what do you think of closed primaries?  I'm a delegate to the state convention and plan on supporting this.

That idea was shot down and made irrelevant by the Republican party leadership in the last GOP convention.  An Amendment proposal by Graham Hunt to encourage state GOP parties to hold closed primaries was defeated 32-73 with strong arm-twisting by the Establishment and Pro-Trump camps who benefitted immensely from open primaries.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #96 on: March 26, 2018, 10:25:36 pm »
The judicial branch of government is co-equal to the the other two so it is kind of important to have
conservatives running it. Surely you have noticed the havoc piss ant district Federal judges have
caused Trump re travel ban, DACA.

As far as the investigation are concerned, FBI director, fired. Deputy FBI director, fired. Asst AG demoted. Two senior FBI officials demoted.  And we have yet to see the IG report. That's not Kabuki Theater

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #97 on: March 26, 2018, 10:28:57 pm »
That idea was shot down and made irrelevant by the Republican party leadership in the last GOP convention.  An Amendment proposal by Graham Hunt to encourage state GOP parties to hold closed primaries was defeated 32-73 with strong arm-twisting by the Establishment and Pro-Trump camps who benefitted immensely from open primaries.
@INVAR

Yes, open primaries allowed Independents and Democrats to vote for Trump, and dump better Republican candidates, of which there were many.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #98 on: March 26, 2018, 10:41:59 pm »
The judicial branch of government is co-equal to the the other two so it is kind of important to have
conservatives running it. Surely you have noticed the havoc piss ant district Federal judges have
caused Trump re travel ban, DACA.
You missed the point.  If our liberties and the running of government hinges on whatever party/ideology controls the courts - then the Republic is officially over.  We are a Socialist Mobocracy.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #99 on: March 26, 2018, 10:50:44 pm »
The judicial branch of government is co-equal to the the other two so it is kind of important to have
conservatives running it. Surely you have noticed the havoc piss ant district Federal judges have
caused Trump re travel ban, DACA.

As far as the investigation are concerned, FBI director, fired. Deputy FBI director, fired. Asst AG demoted. Two senior FBI officials demoted.  And we have yet to see the IG report. That's not Kabuki Theater

meh.

By what method, considering this current day, do you propose to guarantee that Republicans are appointing, or ever will appoint, Conservative judges? Their so called principles are for sale in every other thing, so by what measure do you see them being true in this?