Donald Trump Issues Order To Ban Most Transgender Troops From Serving In Military

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

The Telegraph UK
Our Foreign Staff
24 MARCH 2018 • 1:44AM

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/24/donald-trump-issues-order-ban-transgender-troops-serving-military/

Donald Trump issued an order on Friday to ban transgender people from serving in the military except under "limited circumstances".

The White House said retaining troops with a history or diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" - those who may require substantial medical treatment - "presents considerable risk to military effectiveness and lethality."

The US president received recommendations from Jim Mattis, the Defence Secretary, in February for dealing with transgender individuals serving in the military.

[endicom]

This should be good. The DoD says it will continue to follow federal law, whatever that means, to process transgender troops.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

These gender confused people may mean well but good intentions are not enough.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

With 41% attempting suicide they've no business in combat endangering their team mates lives.

[corbe]

[Stevensr123]

Only problem I have with this is, is this political or??

As far as I'm concerned, politicians should stay the f**$ out of military apart from signing the checks.

If the military wanted this, then it is just. If they disagree with it, despite what the people think, it should not happen

[musiclady]

I agree with doing this since these people are mentally ill, but wonder whether this order is legal.

[corbe]

   The early 70's USAF certainly acclimated me to the Social Climate of the day, first (and only time) I ever lived with a Black Man, Good Guy,  then they integrated my Barracks with Women (WAF).  Needless to say, I left the Black guy in my room on the third floor and moved in with a white woman downstairs, whom I did Marry, eventually, briefly. 

    But this transgender $hit must be just a Bridge Too Far for any level headed Young Man or Woman, today.

[edpc]

Well, the ones that remain can be F-35 pilots, so we 'literally can't see' them.


"Amazing job … so amazing we are ordering hundreds of millions of dollars of new planes for the Air Force, especially the F-35. You like the F-35? ... you can't see it. You literally can't see it. It's hard to fight a plane you can't see," Mr Trump said in October.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-24/donald-trump-hails-f-35-fighter-jets-you-literally-cant-see/9187582

[Bigun]

There is no such thing as a transgendered person and no one will ever make such a thing.

[RoosGirl]

Well, the ones that remain can be F-35 pilots, so we 'literally can't see' them.


"Amazing job … so amazing we are ordering hundreds of millions of dollars of new planes for the Air Force, especially the F-35. You like the F-35? ... you can't see it. You literally can't see it. It's hard to fight a plane you can't see," Mr Trump said in October.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-24/donald-trump-hails-f-35-fighter-jets-you-literally-cant-see/9187582

Can you tweet pictures to someone?

[musiclady]

There is no such thing as a transgendered person and no one will ever make such a thing.

Absolutely correct!

[Jazzhead]

Only problem I have with this is, is this political or??

As far as I'm concerned, politicians should stay the f**$ out of military apart from signing the checks.

If the military wanted this, then it is just. If they disagree with it, despite what the people think, it should not happen

Yup.  This just smacks of politics.  I hope I am wrong.  I hope it is the military itself that wants this policy shift, for military reasons.  Otherwise,  this is a textbook case of social engineering, something we routinely excorciate the left for.     

[RoosGirl]

Yup.  This just smacks of politics.  I hope I am wrong.  I hope it is the military itself that wants this policy shift, for military reasons.  Otherwise,  this is a textbook case of social engineering, something we routinely excorciate the left for.   

Not allowing participation due to mental instability is not social engineering.

[Jazzhead]

Not allowing participation due to mental instability is not social engineering.

What matters is whether they can do the job.  I suspect few are in the infantry,  but serve in support or logistical capacities.   And whether they are a credit to the military should be the concern of officers and brass, not politicians.   

[edpc]

What matters is whether they can do the job.  I suspect few are in the infantry,  but serve in support or logistical capacities.   And whether they are a credit to the military should be the concern of officers and brass, not politicians.

Like Bradley/Chelsea Manning.....or whatever it's going by these days?

[RoosGirl]

What matters is whether they can do the job.  I suspect few are in the infantry,  but serve in support or logistical capacities.   And whether they are a credit to the military should be the concern of officers and brass, not politicians.

Mentally unstable people should have no role when it comes to national security.  And I repeat, not allowing participation due to mental instability is not social engineering.

[Stevensr123]

Not allowing participation due to mental instability is not social engineering.

again though, is that the view of the military top brass and the military top brass and scientific community or politicians and what their base thinks is best?
For me a military needs to be above politics, race , religion and secure and should be deemed on results and actions.



This should be a military decision solely and so should future decisions.


How does trump or s politician know what is the best decision when they have backed out of war?

[RoosGirl]

again though, is that the view of the military top brass and the military top brass and scientific community or politicians and what their base thinks is best?
For me a military needs to be above politics, race , religion and secure and should be deemed on results and actions.

Considering the types of people I've heard that our last POTUS filled our military with I'm not sure being above politics, race, religion is even possible anymore.

[edpc]

Can you tweet pictures to someone?

Yes, but it would get one of two reactions from Trump:

1)  It would be fake news, because he can see it.
2)  He would be on the phone to Lockheed Martin demanding a refund.


Lockheed Martin CEO, Maryllin Hewson, was referred to in an announcement by Trump as Maryllin Lockheed.  Her reaction in the video is quite amusing.  You can tell she's hoping he's smart enough to read and sign the purchase authorization.

https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2018/03/22/whats-in-a-name-ask-donaldtrumps-pal-marillyn.html

[corbe]

                          I feel the urgent need to slap somebody.

   

[musiclady]

Not allowing participation due to mental instability is not social engineering.

Actually, it’s reversing the social engineering.

[Meldrew]

SFGate.com has its knickers in a knot over the DOJ not releasing the names of "Trumps experts" on the transgender ban.  As

@irishspy comments on twitter, the SJW's would make those folks lives miserable.  This seems to me to be at least as interesting as the actual ban. 

[Chosen Daughter]

It would really be something had he not signed that bill today.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yup.  This just smacks of politics.  I hope I am wrong.  I hope it is the military itself that wants this policy shift, for military reasons.  Otherwise,  this is a textbook case of social engineering, something we routinely excorciate the left for.   

No, this is not social engineering, 

[jpsb]

Yup.  This just smacks of politics.  I hope I am wrong.  I hope it is the military itself that wants this policy shift, for military reasons.  Otherwise,  this is a textbook case of social engineering, something we routinely excorciate the left for.   

Yeah if Trump thinks this political posturing is going to get him out of the dog house he is very much mistaken. He tried this months ago and SoD Mattis told him to go sit on it. This is a big
nothing burger.