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Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« on: March 20, 2018, 04:41:54 pm »
Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said he has received “assurances” that Robert Mueller won’t be fired, as questions swirl around whether President Trump will pull the plug on the special counsel.

“I received assurances that his firing is not even under consideration,” Ryan told reporters during his weekly news conference on Tuesday. “We have a system based upon the rule of law in this country, we have a justice system, and no one is above that justice system.”

While the White House insists that Mueller’s ouster is not in play, Trump has made a series of moves in the past week that have stepped up concern in Washington that he may move to fire Mueller and end the special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible ties to the Trump campaign.

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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2018, 04:44:17 pm »
Doesn't seem like there are assurances Sessions won't be let go.  The new AG can fire Mueller and the White House can claim plausible deniability.  After all, they didn't know Sessions would recuse himself, allowing Rosenstein to appoint Mueller.
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2018, 04:44:49 pm »
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2018, 05:41:17 pm »
He doesn't have to be fired, just told if you don't find anything by this date, wrap it up.
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2018, 05:43:00 pm »
He doesn't have to be fired, just told if you don't find anything by this date, wrap it up.

Good grief!  That's way too logical.   888high58888
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2018, 05:57:19 pm »
He doesn't have to be fired, just told if you don't find anything by this date, wrap it up.


That would be an interesting thing to say, considering his criticism of 'artificial timelines' in the SOTU speech.
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2018, 06:11:20 pm »
I just want you to know, Trump's going to fire Mueller
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2018, 06:15:12 pm »

That would be an interesting thing to say, considering his criticism of 'artificial timelines' in the SOTU speech.

If you want to equivocate an investigation that repeatedly wanders off mission to military policy in Afghanistan, then you have a far bigger logic hill to climb than finding a reason for Sessions to tell Mueller that things need to sunset by a certain date, if nothing relevant to the original purpose of the investigation is found.
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2018, 06:36:05 pm »
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2018, 07:09:52 pm »
If you want to equivocate an investigation that repeatedly wanders off mission to military policy in Afghanistan, then you have a far bigger logic hill to climb than finding a reason for Sessions to tell Mueller that things need to sunset by a certain date, if nothing relevant to the original purpose of the investigation is found.


Sessions can't tell him anything, since he's recused himself.  As far as the date goes, it's not possible to determine, since much of what is being pursued is relative.  The people connected have been charged with various offenses to be used as leverage in their cooperation.  The investigators have no control over trial dates and lengths.  There have also been ongoing negotiations as to whether or how Trump would answer questions from Mueller.  Setting a date would mean potential witnesses or targets of the investigation need only wait until the clock runs out.  In that way, it's exactly the same as military policy timelines in any theater.  It's not as big of a hill as you think.
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2018, 08:55:51 pm »

Sessions can't tell him anything, since he's recused himself.  As far as the date goes, it's not possible to determine, since much of what is being pursued is relative.  The people connected have been charged with various offenses to be used as leverage in their cooperation.  The investigators have no control over trial dates and lengths.  There have also been ongoing negotiations as to whether or how Trump would answer questions from Mueller.  Setting a date would mean potential witnesses or targets of the investigation need only wait until the clock runs out.  In that way, it's exactly the same as military policy timelines in any theater.  It's not as big of a hill as you think.

Conversely, the investigation isn't a political sword of Damocles for dragging out till the election in the hope the Dems take Congress, no more than a military action should be continued for poltical purposes. Not a big hill to climb there either.

It also doesn't mean that Sessions can't honestly sunset the investigation if something isn't found. Once trials and interviews are done, and if nothing comes out if it, then it's absolutely appropriate for the DOJ to demand an end. Sessions recusal in fact reinforces that decision, it does not work against it.
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2018, 09:36:05 pm »
Conversely, the investigation isn't a political sword of Damocles for dragging out till the election in the hope the Dems take Congress, no more than a military action should be continued for poltical purposes. Not a big hill to climb there either.

It also doesn't mean that Sessions can't honestly sunset the investigation if something isn't found. Once trials and interviews are done, and if nothing comes out if it, then it's absolutely appropriate for the DOJ to demand an end. Sessions recusal in fact reinforces that decision, it does not work against it.


The midterms are completely irrelevant. The Starr investigation took place through the 1994 midterms and '96 re-election.  The full report was released just before the '98 midterms.  The investigation will continue as long as Mueller brings evidence to Rosenstein and he authorizes continuing.  Unless he's replaced, it doesn't matter what Sessions thinks or says.
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2018, 10:14:32 pm »

The midterms are completely irrelevant. The Starr investigation took place through the 1994 midterms and '96 re-election.  The full report was released just before the '98 midterms.  The investigation will continue as long as Mueller brings evidence to Rosenstein and he authorizes continuing.  Unless he's replaced, it doesn't matter what Sessions thinks or says.

The Starr investigation is irrelevant. Simply just because a precedent exists, does not mean it relates to this situation, or that the precedent itself should have been set.

The whole 'Sessions can't say anything' is an artificial line in the sand for those who want the investigation to continue because it's Trump. I could care less, meandering fishing expeditions should not be allowed to go on and on within our justice system. Sessions and the DOJ have every right to call an end to this whenever they please.
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2018, 10:22:10 pm »
The Starr investigation is irrelevant. Simply just because a precedent exists, does not mean it relates to this situation, or that the precedent itself should have been set.

The whole 'Sessions can't say anything' is an artificial line in the sand for those who want the investigation to continue because it's Trump. I could care less, meandering fishing expeditions should not be allowed to go on and on within our justice system. Sessions and the DOJ have every right to call an end to this whenever they please.


I guess we can count Trump's attorney John Dowd among those who think Sessions can't stop the investigation and secretly want it to continue, since he tweeted this over the weekend......


I pray that Acting Attorney General Rosenstein will follow the brilliant and courageous example of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and Attorney General Jeff Sessions and bring an end to alleged Russia Collusion investigation manufactured by McCabe’s boss James Comey based upon a fraudulent and corrupt Dossier.

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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2018, 11:37:47 pm »

I guess we can count Trump's attorney John Dowd among those who think Sessions can't stop the investigation and secretly want it to continue, since he tweeted this over the weekend......


I pray that Acting Attorney General Rosenstein will follow the brilliant and courageous example of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and Attorney General Jeff Sessions and bring an end to alleged Russia Collusion investigation manufactured by McCabe’s boss James Comey based upon a fraudulent and corrupt Dossier.

Well that's some very clever rhetorical smokescreen, but but opinions of lawyers do not translate into legal reality.
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2018, 12:34:27 am »
Well that's some very clever rhetorical smokescreen, but but opinions of lawyers do not translate into legal reality.


It is hardly a smokescreen to point out the president's own attorney is aware of who can dismiss Mueller or end the investigation. Everyone seems to realize it but you.
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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
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And the RNC 'Assured' us that you and that idiot Romney were the remedy to save us from 4 more years of Bammy.

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Re: Ryan: I've 'Received Assurances' Mueller Won't Be Fired
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2018, 04:02:18 am »

It is hardly a smokescreen to point out the president's own attorney is aware of who can dismiss Mueller or end the investigation. Everyone seems to realize it but you.

He will say exactly what he needs to say to not unnecessarily add friction to the situation. Your understanding of things is very one dimensional.
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