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On trade, foreign policy, and so much more, he's Clinton, Bush, and Obama without the charm and respect. That can be a good thing.
By Nick Gillespie
http://reason.com/blog/2018/03/12/trump-is-more-like-recent-presidents-tha

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The flipside of Trump Derangement Syndrome, whose strongest form argues that the president is an "extinction-level threat" to democracy itself, is Trump Exceptionalism Syndrome, which holds that Trump is the greatest leader since Winston Churchill, the biblical kings David and Cyrus, or whomever.

Recent events reveal something more mundane: Trump is all too much like the other recent inhabitants of the White House. We are neither living through the End Times nor at the start of New Dawn. Instead of entering some sort of political Singularity, we're still stuck in the Regularity. Trump is not a transformative character. Once we accept that, we can support the good things he does (supporting school choice, cutting corporate tax rates and regulations) while criticizing the bad (waving away due process, throwing in with white supremacists, and deporting immigrants, among other things).

Trump's decisions to levy tariffs on steel and aluminum clearly fall into the bad category. They are idiotic, indefensible, economically counterproductive, and...not so different than similar policies levied by both George W. Bush and Barack Obama. Both of those guys pulled similar tricks on steel, after all . . .

. . . So when it comes to trade, Trump is doing exactly what recent presidents—conservative and liberal, Republican and Democratic—have done. It's lamentable, but FFS, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is out there saying she's "not afraid of tariffs" and that we need to chuck over free-er trade because it helps the corporations. She's also protecting her brand, so she's refusing to say whether she supports Trump's tariffs, his pullout from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, or his renegotiation of NAFTA. But she plainly does, right? She just can't admit it, because it would screw up the narrative to admit that she and Trump—and Bush and Obama—actually share the same views on a bunch of stuff . . .


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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2018, 07:16:41 pm »
Bush wasn't a "conservative" President.

That was the problem.

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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2018, 07:20:23 pm »
Bush wasn't a "conservative" President.

That was the problem.
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A major problem. Which enough still don't like to admit.



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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2018, 09:39:34 pm »
@DB
A major problem. Which enough still don't like to admit.



Bush the Elder's picture should be in the foreground next to the Junior.  He hated Reagan's policies.  I always said that era should not be considered Reagan/Bush and then Clinton, but should have been Reagan and then Bush/Clinton.
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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2018, 10:09:13 pm »
Bush the Elder's picture should be in the foreground next to the Junior.  He hated Reagan's policies.  I always said that era should not be considered Reagan/Bush and then Clinton, but should have been Reagan and then Bush/Clinton.
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I suspect that President Lips II got the prominence because, unlike his old man, he had two terms to wreak mischief.


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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2018, 10:17:25 pm »
I've been saying since the election that the new boss is the same as the old boss (Obama).

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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2018, 10:23:06 pm »
Show some proof that Reagan reduced the size, power and cost of the fedgov.

There are several articles here, to review.

https://www.google.com/search?num=20&newwindow=1&source=hp&ei=IfWmWo3IC-uF0wLSiLTQDg&q=government+growth+reagan&oq=government+growth+reagan&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0i22i30k1.1170.12424.0.14561.25.22.0.2.2.0.126.2010.21j1.22.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.24.2046.0..0j35i39k1j0i131k1.0.lFthzE4wJnA
There was also a splendid chapter, "The Failure of the Reagan Gambit," in David Frum's book Dead Right. In that chapter, he argued primarily
that Reagan's aims could have been achieved but weren't, primarily because Reagan

a) was unable to persuade Capitol Hill to resist the rise of social welfare spending;

b) A decade of what Frum described as "stealthy tax increases" eroded the Reagan tax cuts where spending hikes didn't
(how often did we hear and remember that Reagan would ask for spending cuts in return for some of those "stealthy" tax
increases, Congress would say yes, then when it came time to sign the deals Congress essentially told him "eff you" when
he asked, essentially, "ok, I gave you those little taxes, where did my spending cuts go?");

c) The specific Kemp-Roth tax cut was made null and void by rising Social Security taxes;

d) Reagan himself wasn't really calling for real spending cuts in the first place---he called merely for slowing the growth
of spending hikes.

e) Assorted and sundry Reagan aides and even Cabinet members who breathed fire over slashing big government suddenly
found themselves making peace with the bastard once they got into the government---even men like Bill Bennett, Ed Meese,
and William French Smith.

f) Reagan himself was an inconsistent fiscal conservative. Wasn't it so that he often said he wasn't trying to undo the New
Deal since he himself voted for FDR four times, he was only trying to undo Lyndon Johnson's Great Society?
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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2018, 10:50:48 pm »
So even our most idolized and much beloved "true conservative," fails to live up to his legacy.

I accept that. I only suggest we have realistic expectations for all of our candidates and officeholders.

In Reagan's era, he probably had some democrats that were more conservative thatn a few Republicans now.

Today there is not a single democrat that votted to repeal or relplace Obamacare.

(but there wasn't a single Republican that voted for it at passage.)

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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2018, 10:57:40 pm »
I will say this about Reagan's spending.

Defense and related spending crushed the USSR. It bankrupted them trying to keep up. There was some significant payoff for it.

Now we throw a trillion here, a trillion there in "infrastructure" projects which has no real payoff.

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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2018, 11:58:30 pm »
So even our most idolized and much beloved "true conservative," fails to live up to his legacy.
I don't idolise officeholders at any level of government.

I consider government to be the nation's largest organised crime family.


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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2018, 12:05:40 am »
I like this line from the article:

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Trump is all too much like the other recent inhabitants of the White House. We are neither living through the End Times nor at the start of New Dawn. Instead of entering some sort of political Singularity, we're still stuck in the Regularity.

Or UNIPARTY which is what I like to call the creature that pretends it is a dual party system while fleecing the voters of their liberty while pandering for their support for more power and more of their money.

I don't idolise officeholders at any level of government.

I consider government to be the nation's largest organised crime family.


Ditto.  And worse than just a crime family.
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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2018, 12:10:55 am »
Trump is God.

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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2018, 12:16:56 am »
ZZzzzzZZzz

Tired of winning? Donny said that could happen.

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2018, 12:18:18 am »
Tired of winning? Donny said that could happen.

Tired of you using that same ol worn out bait so I hoped if I took a bite you move on to something new.

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2018, 12:21:17 am »
Tired of you using that same ol worn out bait so I hoped if I took a bite you move on to something new.

Tell me about it. People are losing their minds around here. It reminds me of when I was a kid back in the 40's and people were writing "Tippy Canoe and Tyler Too" all over the GD place.

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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2018, 12:26:02 am »
Tell me about it. People are losing their minds around here. It reminds me of when I was a kid back in the 40's and people were writing "Tippy Canoe and Tyler Too" all over the GD place. 

The 1840s.  And you're off your game...
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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2018, 12:31:07 am »
The 1840s.  And you're off your game...

Did you think I meant the 1740's? Don't be absurd.

That does remind me of my favorite joke from my childhood though....

While passing a house on the road, two Virginia salesmen spotted a "very peculiar chimney, unfinished, and it attracting their attention, they asked a flaxen-haired urchin standing near the house if it 'drawed well' whereupon the aforementioned urchin gave them the stinging retort: 'Yes, it draws all the attention of all the damned fools that pass this road.'

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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2018, 12:56:59 am »
The 1840s.  And you're off your game...

I don't know if you should pick on Frank just because he's old.

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Re: Trump Is More Like Recent Presidents Than Anyone Wants To Admit
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2018, 04:07:56 am »
Recent presidents did not defeat ISIS, they did not negotiate with strength against a renegade and very dangerous country like North Korea, that remaining to be seen how that concludes but it is well known that at least, the last 3 Presidents dropped the ball on this if not aiding the NK regime. So, this is just typical never-Trump garbage.