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As the Stormy Daniels news ramps up in Trump world, it’s no surprise that the president’s defenders are looking for ways to excuse the things they wouldn’t excuse Bill Clinton or any other Democrat for....


https://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2018/03/09/fox-news-trots-pro-trump-pastor-assure-world-adultery-porn-stars-no-big-deal/



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“Evangelicals know they’re not compromising their beliefs in order to support this great president,” Pastor Robert Jeffress said

Just another admission of idolatry.  Supporting a man, instead of principles or doctrine.  This is how a church, group or party becomes apostate to the very foundations they claim to be rooted. 

It's the same argument "Christians" gave for supporting Hillary Clinton despite the funding of abortion mills, or supporting politicians who approve of homosexual marriage.

It doesn't matter what kind of character their political saviors have, it is their 'cause' that absolves them from any accountability for their vote and support.

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“And let’s be clear, evangelicals still believe in the commandment ‘thou shalt not have sex with a porn star.  However, whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him.”

Well by that reckoning, character no longer matters when choosing to support someone if they tickle your desires and placate your needs.  A person does what they believe, and a person believes what they do.  A liar, thief, cheat and swindler - will always do the same, no matter what position or place you put them.

Character becomes irrelevant and such support becomes idolatrous.

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“And whether the president needs that forgiveness for this particular allegation, whether he’s asked for it, is between him, his family and his god.”

Not the issue.  The issue is trusting in the demonstrably flawed character of a person entrusted with the most powerful office in the world. 

Do we think Jeffries would follow-through with his sermon of trust and support by putting a person who has been accused of child abuse and has been caught lying about it in the past -  in charge of running his nursery at his church?  After all, Christ forgives and whether or not this person committed sins by abusing little children is irrelevant to supporting such a person to be put in charge of his church nursery.  Given how this is how he teaches we should treat the presidency, it goes-to-figure it must follow in every other walk of life, yes?

Trusting people of bad character to be in positions of power over people seems to be a new hallmark of Republicans and Conservatives these days.
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Yeesh. I'm not going to justify these kinds of actions even if I think they're just desperate media hysteria to get Trump on something. Talk about jump the shark.
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Yeesh. I'm not going to justify these kinds of actions even if I think they're just desperate media hysteria to get Trump on something. Talk about jump the shark.

Populism requires flexible principles...

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Jeffress is pastor of First Baptist Church of Dallas. Trump came to Dallas to see him at beginning of his candidacy - Jeffress has been kissing Trump's shoes since then.  I think he was "hired", as in take money, to keep track of and get various preachers to go for Trump.  He was in Trump Tower a lot and headed preachers when they talked to Trump.

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That's not what Jeffress said.  What I heard (I actually listened to him) was that Trump did bad stuff in the past, has moved on, and if he has repented and no longer doing that kind of stuff, we Christians shouldn't condemn him for it now.  Sounded pretty reasonable to me. 

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That's not what Jeffress said.  What I heard (I actually listened to him) was that Trump did bad stuff in the past, has moved on, and if he has repented and no longer doing that kind of stuff, we Christians shouldn't condemn him for it now.  Sounded pretty reasonable to me.

Condemning his status before God is one thing...

... entrusting him to office and expecting character that he has not shown any fruits of possessing, is quite another.

Christians should have been governed by this admonition from scripture regarding selecting their leaders:

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If anyone aspires to office of leader, he desires a noble task. Therefore a leader must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunk, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.  He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children respectful,  for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church?  He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil. - I Timothy 3:1-7

Trump possesses little of those character traits that the bible teaches is the kind of leader we are to place our trust into for leadership. Notwithstanding the direct admonition NOT to put a recent convert (of which Trump admitted he was) into such a position of leadership.  THAT is not condemning his status before God.  That is the spirit of sound judgment and discernment.  Something we obviously lack today as a people.

Yeah, it is argued this applies only to church leadership.  But if it is a necessary requirement in terms of how a church is to select it's leaders for good stewardship - how can we then  be stupid enough to assume the same does not apply to NATIONAL leadership?
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All of these "celebrity Christians" are an embarrassment.  People need to snap out of it and get back to basics.  Our celebrity culture is poison.

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That's not what Jeffress said.  What I heard (I actually listened to him) was that Trump did bad stuff in the past, has moved on, and if he has repented and no longer doing that kind of stuff, we Christians shouldn't condemn him for it now.  Sounded pretty reasonable to me.

What I find ludicrous, is that Jeffress said he couldn't support Romney because of his "character" (read Mormonism).  Regardless of one's opinion of the LDS, I don't think Trump's moral qualities are better than Romney's. 
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What I find ludicrous, is that Jeffress said he couldn't support Romney because of his "character" (read Mormonism).  Regardless of one's opinion of the LDS, I don't think Trump's moral qualities are better than Romney's.

Good point!

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What I find ludicrous, is that Jeffress said he couldn't support Romney because of his "character" (read Mormonism).  Regardless of one's opinion of the LDS, I don't think Trump's moral qualities are better than Romney's.

Nor do I. 

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What I find ludicrous, is that Jeffress said he couldn't support Romney because of his "character" (read Mormonism).  Regardless of one's opinion of the LDS, I don't think Trump's moral qualities are better than Romney's.

A lot of "born again" evangelicals hate Mormonism very deeply. The site FR has open season on Mormon hate.
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A lot of "born again" evangelicals hate Mormonism very deeply. The site FR has open season on Mormon hate.

Agreed.  I thought it had toned down lately.  Does anyone know what happened to Jeff Head?
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Agreed.  I thought it had toned down lately.  Does anyone know what happened to Jeff Head?

I think Jeff died.  @Cyber Liberty can you confirm that? 

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I think Jeff died.  @Cyber Liberty can you confirm that?

He is still alive. I understand his cancer came back strong but he just posted on Facebook yesterday.

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I think Jeff died.  @Cyber Liberty can you confirm that?

No, he's still kicking and doing Bookface posts about his models.
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No, he's still kicking and doing Bookface posts about his models.

Oh, I'm glad to hear that.  He's a tough guy!

Thanks, Ab.

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I'm really glad to hear Mr. Head is doing well.  He always seemed very sensible to me.
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Whoa!  A green eye and a blue one, and red hair.  I want to have her baby, just to test some genetic theories...
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I'm really glad to hear Mr. Head is doing well.  He always seemed very sensible to me.

Jeff is a really good guy.  He has a bead on things.
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That's not what Jeffress said.  What I heard (I actually listened to him) was that Trump did bad stuff in the past, has moved on, and if he has repented and no longer doing that kind of stuff, we Christians shouldn't condemn him for it now.  Sounded pretty reasonable to me.

Except.... for that "if" part....lol.

Has he or has he not?  That be da question.

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