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Trump administration quietly makes it legal to bring elephant parts to the U.S. as trophies
by Eli Rosenberg March 6 at 9:50 PM

The Trump administration will allow Americans to bring tusks and other elephant body parts back to this country as trophies, in a pivot away from the support President Trump voiced last year for an Obama-era trophy ban.

The decision, announced quietly in a March 1 memorandum from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, withdrew previous rulings on trophy hunting and said the agency would allow sport hunters to receive permits for the trophy items on a “case-by-case basis.”

The move contrasts sharply with the position taken by Trump in November.

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I was going to ask why until I read further

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The president’s sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump are avid game hunters. A photograph of Trump Jr. holding a knife and a dead elephant’s tail after a hunt in Zimbabwe in 2011 has drawn wide attention in the past.
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It’s about time.  Just another one of those pesky regulations putting a roadblock in front of MAGA.

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I was going to ask why until I read further

Elephant trophy:



Other trophies:









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the agency would allow sport hunters to receive permits for the trophy items on a “case-by-case basis.”
One has to wonder what goes into such determinations.
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I believe that a court ruled the Obama reg unlawful, Trump is correcting an unlawful reg with a lawful
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Trump administration quietly makes it legal to bring elephant parts to the U.S. as trophies
by Eli Rosenberg March 6 at 9:50 PM

The Trump administration will allow Americans to bring tusks and other elephant body parts back to this country as trophies, in a pivot away from the support President Trump voiced last year for an Obama-era trophy ban.

The decision, announced quietly in a March 1 memorandum from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, withdrew previous rulings on trophy hunting and said the agency would allow sport hunters to receive permits for the trophy items on a “case-by-case basis.”

The move contrasts sharply with the position taken by Trump in November.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2018/03/06/trump-called-elephant-hunts-a-horror-show-his-administration-just-lifted-a-trophy-hunting-ban/?utm_term=.963a33571cd4

You do know don't you that without game hunting there probably be no "game" left in Africa.

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Certainly not very sympathetic pictures.

There is a contrarian school of thought about this.  There are preserves in Africa where the taking of these animals is permitted, at a high tax rate.  The money is then put into the preserve to maintain it and help propagate the species in the preserve, along with expansion of the preserve. 

Kenya had a large privately held hunting preserve (called "Galana ") that was self sufficient for ten years after it was decolonized after the Mau Mau Revolution.  The owner had worked out a deal with the Waliangulu bushmen, who were hunting the elephants to extinction for the meat.  In 1977, the hunting was made illegal by the anti-hunters in the government.  Poachers have since killed 5,000 of the 6,000 elephants that were on the preserve.  It remains illegal to this day, but the bushmen are finishing off the rest of the elephants by hunting them illegally.

Contrast:  In Botswana, the population of elephants skyrocketed while the population of them in Kenya plummeted.  It was legal to take elephants in Botswana until the anti-hunters stopped it in 2014. 
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These data show that the prohibition of hunting kills the goose that lays golden eggs for the people of Africa and for the wildlife.

More about it from the Hoover Institution: 
https://www.hoover.org/research/how-hunting-saves-animals
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You do know don't you that without game hunting there probably be no "game" left in Africa.

I do know there was a time of needless slaughter of elephants just to get their ivory...
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I do know there was a time of needless slaughter of elephants just to get their ivory...

That's still going on.   **nononono*
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Does that mean I can sell the really ugly ivory bracelet that my grandmother left me that her ex brother-in-law brought her back after serving in Africa during WWII?

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Does that mean I can sell the really ugly ivory bracelet that my grandmother left me that her ex brother-in-law brought her back after serving in Africa during WWII?

Tell @Frank Cannon it's plastic.  He'll be happy to unload it on his Section Eight tenants.
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Does that mean I can sell the really ugly ivory bracelet that my grandmother left me that her ex brother-in-law brought her back after serving in Africa during WWII?

No, you are stuck with that.

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Does that mean I can sell the really ugly ivory bracelet that my grandmother left me that her ex brother-in-law brought her back after serving in Africa during WWII?


You can set it on top of this magazine and see if they live together in perfect harmony.


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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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No, you are stuck with that.

Yep, appraised at over $800 because of the ivory content and worksmanship and I can't do anything with it.  I'm sure there's someone that would think it's the loveliest thing they've ever seen, but I'm stuck with the damn thing.

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Who gives a shit about this. The people upset over this type of hunting get upset that rats, deer and geese get killed for various reasons.

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You do know don't you that without game hunting there probably be no "game" left in Africa.

It's very helpful for many species (including elephants, in places where they are overpopulated). 

For others (e.g., lions), it's very harmful.
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It's very helpful for many species (including elephants, in places where they are overpopulated). 

For others (e.g., lions), it's very harmful.

You make an important distinction.  Predators don't cotton to preserves.
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You make an important distinction.  Predators don't cotton to preserves.

I admit I don't know all the specifics, but I think that's one of many factors.  Another is that the numbers are so low at this point.  National Geographic has pointed out that hunting has saved many species from extinction, but even so, there's this opinion against lion hunting: https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130802-lions-trophy-hunting-extinction-opinion-animals-africa-conservation/
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When I was little, we found a man. He looked like - like, butchered. The old woman in the village crossed themselves... and whispered crazy things, strange things. "El Diablo cazador de hombres."

Only in the hottest years this happens. And this year, it grows hot. We begin finding our men. We found them sometimes without their skins... and sometimes much, much worse. "El cazador trofeo de los hombres" means the demon who makes trophies of men.
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When I was little, we found a man. He looked like - like, butchered. The old woman in the village crossed themselves... and whispered crazy things, strange things. "El Diablo cazador de hombres."

Only in the hottest years this happens. And this year, it grows hot. We begin finding our men. We found them sometimes without their skins... and sometimes much, much worse. "El cazador trofeo de los hombres" means the demon who makes trophies of men.

heh...nice reference!
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