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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2018, 03:39:07 am »
I had no idea there were this many Bernie Sanders disciples here on TBR.
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2018, 03:41:37 am »

Trump can’t even remember ‘I hear you’ without a note card. What makes you think he even knows what NAFTA stands for?

Remember when the Trumpists try to unethically claim Reagan is Orange, that it was Ronald Reagan who proposed NAFTA (start at 17:08): 
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We live on a continent whose three countries possess the assets to make it the strongest, most prosperous and self-sufficient area on Earth. Within the borders of this North American continent are the food, resources, technology and undeveloped territory which, properly managed, could dramatically improve the quality of life of all its inhabitants.

It is no accident that this unmatched potential for progress and prosperity exists in three countries with such long-standing heritages of free government. A developing closeness among Canada, Mexico and the United States--a North American accord--would permit achievement of that potential in each country beyond that which I believe any of them--strong as they are--could accomplish in the absence of such cooperation. In fact, the key to our own future security may lie in both Mexico and Canada becoming much stronger countries than they are today.

No one can say at this point precisely what form future cooperation among our three countries will take. But if I am elected President, I would be willing to invite each of our neighbors to send a special representative to our government to sit in on high level planning sessions with us, as partners, mutually concerned about the future of our continent. First, I would immediately seek the views and ideas of Canadian and Mexican leaders on this issue, and work tirelessly with them to develop closer ties among our peoples. It is time we stopped thinking of our nearest neighbors as foreigners.

By developing methods of working closely together, we will lay the foundations for future cooperation on a broader and more significant scale. We will put to rest any doubts of those cynical enough to believe that the United States would seek to dominate any relationship among our three countries, or foolish enough to think that the governments and peoples of Canada and Mexico would ever permit such domination to occur. I for one, am confident that we can show the world by example that the nations of North America are ready, within the context of an unswerving commitment to freedom, to see new forms of accommodation to meet a changing world. A developing closeness between the United States, Canada and Mexico would serve notice on friends and foe alike that we were prepared for a long haul, looking outward again and confident of our future; that together we are going to create jobs, to generate new fortunes of wealth for many and provide a legacy for the children of each of our countries. Two hundred years ago, we taught the world that a new form of government, created out of the genius of man to cope with his circumstances, could succeed in bringing a measure of quality to human life previously thought impossible.

Now let us work toward the goal of using the assets of this continent, its resources, technology, and foodstuffs in the most efficient ways possible for the common good of all its people. It may take the next 100 years but we can dare to dream that at some future date a map of the world might show the North American continent as one in which the people's commerce of its three strong countries flow more freely across their present borders than they do today.
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2018, 03:48:26 am »
God bless Ronald Reagan.
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2018, 03:52:59 am »
God bless Ronald Reagan.

He was such a great man.  What a great announcement (1979)...

(North American Accord talk starts at 17:08): 
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2018, 03:58:07 am »
I remember 1979.  Is this Even tag day, or Odd tag day for gas?

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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #80 on: March 06, 2018, 04:01:48 am »
I remember 1979.  Is this Even tag day, or Odd tag day for gas?




We had a 1968 Pontiac Catalina gas guzzler.  My parents traded it in for 2 Chevy Chevettes.  The only saving grace was the fact the registration gave us one license plate ending in 3, the other in 4.  Made that era a bit more manageable.
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #81 on: March 06, 2018, 04:04:30 am »
I think you're over-reacting.  Government already sticks its nose into our lives... the worst part of that is the IRS.

And so it's perfectly fine, just because there's already overreach?!?!

Really?

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I think Trump is trying to improve the economy for both consumers and business.

Oh, he's trying...



I guess that makes his idiocy all better.

Fine...

A for effort.
F for Execution
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #82 on: March 06, 2018, 04:08:38 am »
Thanx @Emjay .  I try for a factual consideration.  Certainly not above working the crowd though. But if your facts are wrong, well,... there is always a job at the Huffington post or CNN.

Does "working the crowd" include ignoring repeated requests by @Hoodat for you to back up your claims about NAFTA, @Fantom?
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #83 on: March 06, 2018, 04:10:09 am »
You mean silly notions like getting rid of free trade will somehow help create jobs?

@Hoodat

It's the Protectionist Magic Beans.  Just because they've always failed in the past doesn't mean they aren't Just the TrickTM this time!
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2018, 04:13:05 am »
And so it's perfectly fine, just because there's already overreach?!?!

Really?

Oh, he's trying...



I guess that makes his idiocy all better.

Fine...

A for effort.
F for Execution


If you're going to make a Sherilyn Fenn analogy, the tariffs will be less like Of Mice And Men and more like Boxing Helena.
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2018, 04:27:00 am »
If you're going to make a Sherilyn Fenn analogy, the tariffs will be less like Of Mice And Men and more like Boxing Helena.

Interesting question, whether Trump is Lennie or the surgeon!
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #86 on: March 06, 2018, 11:29:12 am »
@Hoodat

It's the Protectionist Magic Beans.  Just because they've always failed in the past doesn't mean they aren't Just the TrickTM this time!

@Suppressed  they are beginning to sound like Liberals who claim the only reason Socialism/Communism failed is because they weren't the ones implementing it. It would work if THEY were running it.
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Re: Trump: Steel tariffs go away if 'fair' NAFTA is reached
« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2018, 03:37:13 pm »
@Suppressed  they are beginning to sound like Liberals who claim the only reason Socialism/Communism failed is because they weren't the ones implementing it. It would work if THEY were running it.

They had me convinced when they came out before the election defending Kelo.
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