Trump hits Bush: Invading Iraq 'the single worst decision ever made'

[jpsb]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/02/international/middleeast/us-copter-is-downed-in-iraq-killing-16-and-wounding.html
U.S. Copter Is Downed in Iraq, Killing 16 and Wounding 20


My husband was 1sgt of this Co..they lost 3 crew members and 13 GI's heading home for R&R..I thought Mike was on this chopper for several hours until he called me from Balad..he/we spent his R&R visiting the families of those who were killed in his Co.....

"It is the solider that hates war above all else, for it is he that has to fight it."
Gen MacArthur.

What a terrible way to spend R&R. So glad your husband was not on that chopper.

[Applewood]

@sneakypete

I guess you can't really show me where Trump is the better president because it's much easier to attack me. 

Just what has Trump done that is better than Bush and the other preceding presidents?  He has yet to fulfill most of his campaign promises.  And don't bring up Gorsuch.  I have yet to see anything to indicate he's the conservative he was advertised to be. 

We still have Obamacare.  Tax "reform" was merely a few tweaks with some people getting a break that will be wiped out if the president goes through with his trade war and congress raises the gas tax, and many people got nothing.  And we still have a rampant influx of illegals and alleged "refugees."

Meanwhile, Trump is engaged in almost non-stop pissing matches with  enemies -- real and imagined -- including members of his own party.   He can't even hold onto his own staff.  The White House needs a revolving door.

We don't have a president.  We have a little boy who would rather play than work, who would rather spend his time picking fights than gettiing down to the business of running this country.  He wants to do things his way -- the Constitution and rule of law be dammed -- and he's going to whine and stomp his feet until he gets what he wants. 

Maybe you think he's joking -- and that we nonbelievers just don't get his sense of humor.  But there is nothing funny about a president who is way over his head and ill suited for the presidency.  And lately, he has moved from being incompetent to downright dangerous.  When are you and the rest of the true believers going to wake up and realize you elected an insane person to the presidency? 

[Suppressed]

To paraphrase the old saying:  time heals many wounds.  I think that's all we're seeing with Bush just as we've seen it with many other former Presidents after leaving office.

It's interesting to note, though, that it remained flat for years after leaving office, until Trump's big candidacy...when it started to steadily rise, and has ever since.

I think people began to realize, "it really could be worse!"

[Suppressed]

So if I don't bow down and worship your king, I am now mentally incompetent.

@Applewood @sneakypete

I note that it comes from a guy who can't even properly format his replies in quotes. 

You'd think that with the glass house in which he lives, he'd have a more realistic view of the world outside.

[XenaLee]

No,I KNOW you are mentally incompetent because you think Boy Jorge was a good president,and wish that JEB,Cruz,or some other alleged Republican clone Party Pod Person had won instead of Trump. What do YOU call wishing for more of the same,when the "same" has proven to be a disaster?


You have already established it,it's up to some responsible authority to now recognize it.

And there is more proof you are disturbed.

IF Trump were as bad as you and the rest of the Bush Bots claim,he would STILL be a YUGE improvement over any of the retards and traitors YOU vote for.[/b]

And the problem with that statement is.... that remains to be seen. 

I've seen it alleged (here, in fact) that GWB was so bad that he got us Obama and Obamacare.  The question then remains... at the end of Trump's term (assuming he makes it to that end).... what will Trump's election end up getting us?  I shudder to think.... since, as has been pointed out already, he really hasn't accomplished all that much.  No wall (not that I think we have to have one).  No repeal of Obamacare, just a repeal of the mandate that can be easily put back into place by the next Demrat administration.  The biggest budget buster spending bill EVAH passed with his blessing.  Really, the only solid thing I see is the corporate tax reduction.... but with raised tariffs, even that tax relief will end up being short-lived.

No, Trump hasn't done all that much in his first year.  So what horrors will be blamed on him in another 3-4 years?   Scary.

[Suppressed]

I could say the same thing about Trump supporters. 

And please show me where Trump has any real substance.  I can't see it.  All I can see is a lot of chest beating and stupidity. 

If you're a fan, Trump is entertaining.  But that's all.  He really has nothing else to offer.

He's good for the crowd who finds m-m-m-monster truck exhibitions to be the height of intellectual stimulation.



BTW...there's nothing wrong with monster trucks.  I'm simply suggesting they aren't an intellectual pursuit.

[edpc]

He's good for the crowd who finds m-m-m-monster truck exhibitions to be the height of intellectual stimulation.



BTW...there's nothing wrong with monster trucks.  I'm simply suggesting they aren't an intellectual pursuit.

Well, today is sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY!!!!

[Concerned]

And the problem with that statement is.... that remains to be seen. 

I've seen it alleged (here, in fact) that GWB was so bad that he got us Obama and Obamacare.  The question then remains... at the end of Trump's term (assuming he makes it to that end).... what will Trump's election end up getting us?  I shudder to think.... since, as has been pointed out already, he really hasn't accomplished all that much.  No wall (not that I think we have to have one).  No repeal of Obamacare, just a repeal of the mandate that can be easily put back into place by the next Demrat administration.  The biggest budget buster spending bill EVAH passed with his blessing.  Really, the only solid thing I see is the corporate tax reduction.... but with raised tariffs, even that tax relief will end up being short-lived.

No, Trump hasn't done all that much in his first year.  So what horrors will be blamed on him in another 3-4 years?   Scary.

I suspect the most significant legacy of Trump's Presidency will be a very hard turn to the Left for the country.  With this Administration doing things like flaunting checks and balances by refusing to testify before Congress (and the Republicans allowing it), I expect we'll see a hard turn to the Democratic Party.  I think we're already seeing the beginnings of this with 39 state legislative seats flipping from Republicans to Democratic since Trump's election.  I suspect we'll see further evidence of this after the midterms, and the turn will be complete in 2020.

[TomSea]

Trump's a street fighter, figuratively... that's why Rush would often play that as bumper music in 2016...

The Republican party was honestly, looking at a 3rd Democratic presidential term after Obama's presidency, it would be a wonder that a Republican could win, I suppose polls showed Kasich or Rubio defeating Hillary, FWIW, polls taken in the spring of 2016.

Heritage Foundation says Trump has put together a more successful 1st year as president with a conservative agenda than even Reagan. Guess whose word I am going to take!

Thinking that the Democrats were going to win again, is depressing, especially when one has had mostly Republican Presidents during their life, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 but it looked like the tide was changing for the Democrats besides obviously, the media being heavily on the Democrats side.

[truth_seeker]

I suspect the most significant legacy of Trump's Presidency will be a very hard turn to the Left for the country.  With this Administration doing things like flaunting checks and balances by refusing to testify before Congress (and the Republicans allowing it), I expect we'll see a hard turn to the Democratic Party.  I think we're already seeing the beginnings of this with 39 state legislative seats flipping from Republicans to Democratic since Trump's election.  I suspect we'll see further evidence of this after the midterms, and the turn will be complete in 2020.

You might consider GW bush, who set the stage for Obama's win, PLUS loss of both legislative chambers.



The blue line is Bush, going down continuously as he continued the trend of weak Republican options, started by his Dad, next Dole, GW himself, McCain and Romney.

So I can fully understand why so many "Republicans" get wobbly kneed when somebody actually fights.

[Concerned]

You might consider GW bush, who set the stage for Obama's win, PLUS loss of both legislative chambers.



The blue line is Bush, going down continuously as he continued the trend of weak Republican options, started by his Dad, next Dole, GW himself, McCain and Romney.

So I can fully understand why so many "Republicans" get wobbly kneed when somebody actually fights.

Good point @truth_seeker

As hard a turn Left as the country made after Bush to Obama, I fully expect the turn to be even harder and further Left after Trump.  After 8 years of Obama reckless spending followed by 4 years of Trump adding to the debt like a drunken-Obama, it's hard to be optimistic fiscally especially when you anticipate an even further Left turn in 2020.  That'll be some legacy.  /s

[INVAR]

How am I silencing the POTUS...take a look at the forum....

Because to even hint at disagreement with Trump is 'hate', 'fake news' and 'attempts to silence the president'.

He is King.  And when he speaks, you are to shut your pie hole and accept it as gospel.

Even when it changes from one sentence to the next.

[truth_seeker]

Good point @truth_seeker

As hard a turn Left as the country made after Bush to Obama, I fully expect the turn to be even harder and further Left after Trump.  After 8 years of Obama reckless spending followed by 4 years of Trump adding to the debt like a drunken-Obama, it's hard to be optimistic fiscally especially when you anticipate an even further Left turn in 2020.  That'll be some legacy.  /s

I have to remind myself, the #nevertrumps can always find (or project ahead into the unknown future) the worst.

Yet Heritage has stated he has been more conservative, than even Reagan--in his policies.

Did you miss (or simply ignore) my comment of how every Republican since Reagan, has been weak? I named them for easy reference.

[edpc]

Because to even hint at disagreement with Trump is 'hate', 'fake news' and 'attempts to silence the president'.

He is King.  And when he speaks, you are to shut your pie hole and accept it as gospel.

Even when it changes from one sentence to the next.

Even if it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, like this rambling mess from July 2016 in SC:


“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart —you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”

[XenaLee]

I have to remind myself, the #nevertrumps can always find (or project ahead into the unknown future) the worst.

Yet Heritage has stated he has been more conservative, than even Reagan--in his policies.

Did you miss (or simply ignore) my comment of how every Republican since Reagan, has been weak? I named them for easy reference.

Soo..... you consider imposing tariffs to be "Conservative" then?

[RoosGirl]

Because to even hint at disagreement with Trump is 'hate', 'fake news' and 'attempts to silence the president'.

He is King.  And when he speaks, you are to shut your pie hole and accept it as gospel.

Even when it changes from one sentence to the next.

Honestly that is the most frustrating part about trying to have any kind of conversation with most of the Trump supporters here.  It comes across as being so insecure with the man that they can't dare admit to any kind of weakness.

[edpc]

Soo..... you consider imposing tariffs to be "Conservative" then?

If he’s going to cite The Heritage Foundation, we may as well hear what they have to say about the tariffs.


https://www.heritage.org/trade/commentary/3-reasons-why-trumps-tariffs-would-hurt-american-workers

[XenaLee]

If he’s going to cite The Heritage Foundation, we may as well hear what they have to say about the tariffs.


https://www.heritage.org/trade/commentary/3-reasons-why-trumps-tariffs-would-hurt-american-workers

Right.  And as I have already stated, imposing tariffs would negate the positive results of Trump's recent tax reform.... effectively taxing Americans due to those tariffs.  It's another "one step forward, two steps back" move.  It's a pattern.  Let's hope he doesn't follow through on it.

[truth_seeker]

Soo..... you consider imposing tariffs to be "Conservative" then?

I consider threatening tariffs to be strong negotiating, and I recall Reagan imposed tariffs on Japanese electronics.

Remember Reagan? The guy that called for his 11th Commandment. Long forgotten after such a long string of weak candidates, however dignified and dainty, in their many defeats.

[Concerned]

I have to remind myself, the #nevertrumps can always find (or project ahead into the unknown future) the worst.

Yet Heritage has stated he has been more conservative, than even Reagan--in his policies.

Did you miss (or simply ignore) my comment of how every Republican since Reagan, has been weak? I named them for easy reference.

I don't need some partisan organization to tell me whether someone is conservative or not. All I need to do is look at his budget and the $1T we need to borrow this year and the $7.2T he's adding to the debt over the next 10.  I am capable of drawing my own conclusion that this man is NOT fiscally conservative. 

I simply ignored your comment on weak Rebublicans.  You're entitled to your opinion just as I am.  I'm certainly not going to try and change your opinion.

[edpc]

Remember Reagan? The guy that called for his 11th Commandment. Long forgotten after such a long string of weak candidates, however dignified and dainty, in their many defeats.

I remember Reagan very well. I also recall Trump and his supporters invoking his name whenever it’s convenient.  What is inconvenient, however, is the fact Trump testified as an expert witness for a Democrat panel in 1992 that the Reagan tax cuts were a disaster. He also referred to the former president as a con man who couldn’t deliver the goods.

[RoosGirl]

I remember Reagan very well. I also recall Trump and his supporters invoking his name whenever it’s convenient.  What is inconvenient, however, is the fact Trump testified as an expert witness for a Democrat panel in 1992 that the Reagan tax cuts were a disaster. He also referred to the former president as a con man who couldn’t deliver the goods.

You dingdong, that's just more proof that Trump is more conservative than Reagan.

[DB]

I consider threatening tariffs to be strong negotiating, and I recall Reagan imposed tariffs on Japanese electronics.

Remember Reagan? The guy that called for his 11th Commandment. Long forgotten after such a long string of weak candidates, however dignified and dainty, in their many defeats.

I'm really tired of your "11th Commandment" crap. Trump has dumped on more Republicans than any other "Republican" president - ever. He rarely dumps on Democrats. He called other Republican presidential candidates liars, owned by the banks, etc. He goes out of his way to trash GWB, a previous Republican president, and that he lied his way into a war. He can't even decide if he's a Republican or Democrat for more than 10 years in a row. So if that's the 11th Commandment you so hold dear why the hell did you vote for Trump? Hypocrisy on steroids.

[edpc]

You dingdong, that's just more proof that Trump is more conservative than Reagan.

I made damn sure my filters were set before I did that search.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

I guess you can't really show me where Trump is the better president because it's much easier to attack me. 

Just what has Trump done that is better than Bush and the other preceding presidents?  He has yet to fulfill most of his campaign promises.  And don't bring up Gorsuch.  I have yet to see anything to indicate he's the conservative he was advertised to be. 

We still have Obamacare.  Tax "reform" was merely a few tweaks with some people getting a break that will be wiped out if the president goes through with his trade war and congress raises the gas tax, and many people got nothing.  And we still have a rampant influx of illegals and alleged "refugees."

Meanwhile, Trump is engaged in almost non-stop pissing matches with  enemies -- real and imagined -- including members of his own party.   He can't even hold onto his own staff.  The White House needs a revolving door.

We don't have a president.  We have a little boy who would rather play than work, who would rather spend his time picking fights than gettiing down to the business of running this country.  He wants to do things his way -- the Constitution and rule of law be dammed -- and he's going to whine and stomp his feet until he gets what he wants. 

Maybe you think he's joking -- and that we nonbelievers just don't get his sense of humor.  But there is nothing funny about a president who is way over his head and ill suited for the presidency.  And lately, he has moved from being incompetent to downright dangerous.  When are you and the rest of the true believers going to wake up and realize you elected an insane person to the presidency?

@Applewood

Blah,blah,whine,bitch,moan,whah! Trump has only been in office for a year,and not only is he having to fight the entrenched Dim left,he's having to fight the alleged Republican globalist leftists. Yet people like you have been whining since the day he was sworn in that he hasn't accomplished much while giving punks like Boy Jorge every excuse in the world for not doing anything positive in a full 8 years.

Since this seems to have escaped your notice,we do NOT live in an Empire,where the President can just order people to do things,and have them shot if they don't. It takes time. ESPECIALLY when losers like you are whining at him while he is still being sworn in.

On top of that the alleged Republican Party Professionals are putting up every roadblock they can think of because if he is successful it exposes the fact that THEY didn't anything done with decades to do it because THEY DIDN'T WANT IT DONE. There are a LOT of "personal oxen" that are going to get gored in both the Dim and the Semi-Dim parties if he gets even a fraction of what he is hoping for.

Chances are you are one of them because all you have done is bitch and whine since he was elected.