Kelly Says Trump Now Believes Border Wall Is Unnecessary

[INVAR]

What if you're feeling Sikh?

You do your own surgery with your own dagger and you got a handy turban ready to tourniquet yourself up if needs be.

[INVAR]

Reminds me of Spinal Tap and Stonehenge.

Since he brought it up, we might as well put music to this thread.


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[libertybele]

Having been to both private and government-run hospitals in India - I can tell you the documentary you saw is as truthful as Michael Moore selling us on the superiority of healthcare in Cuba.

Private hospitals are ala carte and you have to pay for your care in advance after paying bribes.  Government hospitals are worse - with bribes required and wait times measured in entire days with care that is almost subhuman.   I cannot even begin to describe what the government hospital in Kakinada was like without getting nauseous remembering it.  The private hospital was a bit better and cleaner (by Indian standards) and while the cost of care is a fraction of what it is here (my wife's emergency room visit with IVs for vomiting and dehydration was only $35 US), but when it comes to major healthcare issues such as heart attack, you are into them for multiple thousands of dollars that have to be paid in advance of any treatment being administered to you.

Also, I noticed when living there, that the doctors tend to throw medicine at their many patients.  A lot of diseases have become drug-resistant over there due to the over-prescribed antibiotics and other medicines, most of which we also discovered were frauds - sugar pills in cases that were listed to be blood thinners.  Fraud is rampant there and hospital pharmacies tend to dish out the corruption as readily as a vendor on the street.

But if you have money - and will wave it around - and you can hide your caste if you are a dalit, you can get whatever you want to find in India.

Thanks for the info.

[INVAR]

Thanks for the info.

@libertybele - I had to hunt for the pic I wanted to post in my initial reply to you about India - but this was a shot I took while walking into the post-surgery ward at the government-run hospital to visit a church member who had surgery for a hernia.  The ward is co-ed, and behind the beds on the floor on both sides, runs a 4" trench in the cement that has all the urine, feces, and other fluids running down towards drains in at the near end of the shot that go down and exit the building onto the street below.  (We were 4 stories up).



I cannot describe the smell.  And, there are no bathrooms there.  People just squat over the trench and go.

Now this was the RECOVERY room post-surgery of a big major city in India.  The hospitals are not excellent there despite whatever it is you may have seen.  It is possible there is a private hospital serving the upper castes that the documentary crew was taken to, but hospitals for the general public - are nothing short of abysmal.

This is the private hospital in the same city as the government hospital in the pic above.  The facilities are remarkably better, but still it would be condemned here in the States as unsanitary and overcrowded.



You cannot see it well in this shot, but at a private hospital in India, when you are allowed into the building (as Christians and low castes, we had to sign in at a table out in the parking lot and be escorted into the reception area in a specific doorway away from the main entrance so the higher castes would not be infected with our bad karma) - you then proceed to the pay desk - and you pay for whatever service you need and the prices are listed on a board there in the back like a fast-food restaurant.



If you do not know what your problem is, you pay in advance to see a doctor.  He diagnoses you, and then sends you back  to the pay desk with a note describing whatever tests or treatment he thinks you need and you pay in advance once again for those.  Once you pay - you get a receipt and go into a waiting area where you have to show your receipt before they administer your test or treatment.  This follows for follow-up treatment and medicines.  You pay in advance and you pay ala carte.

There is no insurance there for most of the population.

[libertybele]

@libertybele - I had to hunt for the pic I wanted to post in my initial reply to you about India - but this was a shot I took while walking into the post-surgery ward at the government-run hospital to visit a church member who had surgery for a hernia.  The ward is co-ed, and behind the beds on the floor on both sides, runs a 4" trench in the cement that has all the urine, feces, and other fluids running down towards drains in at the near end of the shot that go down and exit the building onto the street below.  (We were 4 stories up).



I cannot describe the smell.  And, there are no bathrooms there.  People just squat over the trench and go.

Now this was the RECOVERY room post-surgery of a big major city in India.  The hospitals are not excellent there despite whatever it is you may have seen.  It is possible there is a private hospital serving the upper castes that the documentary crew was taken to, but hospitals for the general public - are nothing short of abysmal.

This is the private hospital in the same city as the government hospital in the pic above.  The facilities are remarkably better, but still it would be condemned here in the States as unsanitary and overcrowded.



You cannot see it well in this shot, but at a private hospital in India, when you are allowed into the building (as Christians and low castes, we had to sign in at a table out in the parking lot and be escorted into the reception area in a specific doorway away from the main entrance so the higher castes would not be infected with our bad karma) - you then proceed to the pay desk - and you pay for whatever service you need and the prices are listed on a board there in the back like a fast-food restaurant.



If you do not know what your problem is, you pay in advance to see a doctor.  He diagnoses you, and then sends you back  to the pay desk with a note describing whatever tests or treatment he thinks you need and you pay in advance once again for those.  Once you pay - you get a receipt and go into a waiting area where you have to show your receipt before they administer your test or treatment.  This follows for follow-up treatment and medicines.  You pay in advance and you pay ala carte.

There is no insurance there for most of the population.

Wow.  What you have shown and relayed is absolutely disgusting.  Definitely not the wonderful 'spa' like recovery facilities, nor state of the art hospitals that were depicted on the documentary. I do not recall which hospitals were focused on and I am definitely not doubting what you are saying and certainly pictures don't lie. Interesting that Fortis Memorial Research Institute – Gurgaon, India ranks #2, out of the Top 30 30 Most Technologically Advanced Hospitals in the World and the picture certainly is a stark contrast to others in India.



https://www.topmastersinhealthcare.com/30-most-technologically-advanced-hospitals-in-the-world/