Kelly Says Trump Now Believes Border Wall Is Unnecessary

[driftdiver]

You can say BS all you want but Kelly did that interview and he said what he said.  Also in the link is Trumps own tweet.  So the wall has been yuuuugly reduced to portions.  Also kicked around has been talk of just fixing the fence.  We all know that if determined Hispanics and whatever else crosses the border (terrorists) will cross desert, mountains and water. 

As I said Trump is all over the road.  Impossible to know who he is.  Will the real Trump stand up please?  Big speech at CPAC.  The only thing we can go on is the variations of Trump that we hear, even coming from him in his own tweets

Ok and if Trump pulls border security in California I will call him a traitor to this nation.  Not the right thing no matter how mad he is at California.

Building a wall the entire border makes good campaign speak but it isn't necessary or even feasible.   It depends on the geography and a number of other factors.

What we need is border security.  A wall is but one piece of that puzzle.

[libertybele]

Building a wall the entire border makes good campaign speak but it isn't necessary or even feasible.   It depends on the geography and a number of other factors.

What we need is border security.  A wall is but one piece of that puzzle.

We already have border patrol and border security.  What is needed is a WALL and mass deportation; without either of those, border security and border patrol is weakened.

If they can build bridges and tunnels through rock, under water, over water, etc., they sure as heck can figure out how to build a darn wall in areas with undesirable terrain. 

Quit with the excuses.  Build the dang wall and start deporting!

[truth_seeker]

If Trump is the "Conservative Movement", then conservatism is dead. Trump has destroyed the Republican Party more effectively than any Democrat ever could.

The olde "conservatives are victims" claim. Own it.

[Stevensr123]

We already have border patrol and border security.  What is needed is a WALL and mass deportation; without either of those, border security and border patrol is weakened.

If they can build bridges and tunnels through rock, under water, over water, etc., they sure as heck can figure out how to build a darn wall in areas with undesirable terrain. 

Quit with the excuses.  Build the dang wall and start deporting!

I wouldn't say its necessary.

I reckon more funding for border patrols, strengthen existing laws, give out MASSIVE fines to any company that hires illegal immigrants (Jail time if necessary) , make it impossible for them to open up bank accounts, Pays Bills etc

Right now its just too east for them to go to america, get a job, even go to school etc! cut the Intensive to come and they won't go.

also give the death penalty to any illegal immigrant that commits rape/murder.

The border wall will not stop them from coming in, Unless its covers the entire border, is 30 meters under ground, mate of the harder materials and is frequently patrolled at all times. And even then, they will still most likely get through some how.

However if you stop the reasons why they want to come in the first place, they won't bother.

[driftdiver]

We already have border patrol and border security.  What is needed is a WALL and mass deportation; without either of those, border security and border patrol is weakened.

If they can build bridges and tunnels through rock, under water, over water, etc., they sure as heck can figure out how to build a darn wall in areas with undesirable terrain. 

Quit with the excuses.  Build the dang wall and start deporting!

@libertybele

We have a border agent for about every 10 miles of border.  We need to eliminate the ability to work for illegals.  No bank accounts, no drivers license, no tax funded services.  That removes the draw.  If they cant work then most will self deport.

Add a wall where feasible, add other technologies where those are best.   

[edpc]

No bank accounts, no drivers license, no tax funded services.  That removes the draw.  If they cant work then most will self deport.

That’s never going to happen as long as legislators are taking donations from big money ‘conservative’ contributors like the Kochs, who want access to cheap labor.


Through the Koch network’s LIBRE Initiative, volunteers and advisers are helping immigrants study for drivers’ license exams so they have some form of government ID, others prepare for citizenship tests and still others earn a G.E.D. And it doesn’t matter if they are here legally or not.

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As the Koch network sees it, any immigration overhaul should have four major components: workers cannot be tied to a single employer in a way that leaves them little change for career advancement at rival companies, immigrants with legal status should be able to leave the country to visit their homelands, families should have the right to stay together and the system should not be overly punitive for immigrants in the country illegally.

http://time.com/4737792/immigration-koch-brothers-citizenship-classes/

[libertybele]

I wouldn't say its necessary.

I reckon more funding for border patrols, strengthen existing laws, give out MASSIVE fines to any company that hires illegal immigrants (Jail time if necessary) , make it impossible for them to open up bank accounts, Pays Bills etc

Right now its just too east for them to go to america, get a job, even go to school etc! cut the Intensive to come and they won't go.

also give the death penalty to any illegal immigrant that commits rape/murder.

The border wall will not stop them from coming in, Unless its covers the entire border, is 30 meters under ground, mate of the harder materials and is frequently patrolled at all times. And even then, they will still most likely get through some how.

However if you stop the reasons why they want to come in the first place, they won't bother.

Yes without a doubt stop the perks that attract them to this country.  However, the wall provides a very visual and physical barrier.  Though harsh, IF we build the wall and then announce that those entering this country ILLEGALLY will be considered an enemy of thie USA and those entering illegally will be detained or deterred by any means necessary, including firepower -- I think you would quickly see the effectiveness of having a border wall. 

We've increased border patrol agents and security.  Unfortunately there are those in law enforcement who refuse to comply, just as there are those that refuse to enforce existing laws.  Again, building a wall, manning it with fire power and deportation would cut down on illegal immigration significantly.

Yes, the wall needs to cover the entire border; bit and pieces of the border isn't what was voted on in 2006 and approved; The Secure Fence Act.  We're still waiting for it to be built and we're still waiting on it to be completely funded.  The issue of building a wall isn't new.

[Emjay]

Not very old.  It is very difficult to know the intentions of Trump on Immigration.  He is all over the board.  "Build the Wall" is a campaign mantra that has lost its steam.

Everyone who knew anything about the Texas/Mexican border knew that a wall could not be built along the entire border.

[XenaLee]

Kelly Says Trump Now Believes Border Wall Is Unnecessary

The president, Kelly said, "has evolved in the way he has looked at things. Campaign to governing are two different things and this president has been very, very flexible in terms of the realm of what is possible."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/18/578796237/kelly-says-trump-now-believes-border-wall-is-unnecessary

Somehow I guess we missed the fact that Trump has evolved.  Reading the entire article you will find Kelly bragging to Hispanics that he is in control.

I don't think we need "a wall" either.  If we just enforce the damned immigration laws already on the books.... penalizing employers who hire illegals, deportation, etc...... the flood will eventually stop.  But only IF we don't hand them perks like amnesty.   If you're here illegally, you go the hell back where you came from.... until you can get here LEGALLY, like everyone already in line, doing it the right way.

[INVAR]

I'm laughing myself silly over reading the very people who during the campaign berated and insulted everyone who dared challenge their champion while repeating the mantra of "but... THE WALL!.... THE WALL!... THE WALL!" now lecturing everyone that a wall is actually a silly idea.

Come to think of it, these are also the same people who after chanting "Lock her up!" to apply to Hillary, went to bat to exonerate Trump's statement that Hillary and Bill are "good people" after his inauguration.

They are exactly like the acolytes for Obama were, just a different side of the aisle but with the same zany fervor of support for a political messiah.

[txradioguy]

Everyone who knew anything about the Texas/Mexican border knew that a wall could not be built along the entire border.

There could certainly be more of a wall than what little is there right now.

We could at least provide enough of a deterrent that people camping in Big Bend state park don't have to work about accidentally camping on a human trafficking/drug mule route in the park and being killed for it.

We keep focusing on the wrong things and ignoring the important things.  Like the safety of Americans...like the Constitutional responsibility the President is legally bound to do like secure the borders....it's right there in his oath.

And then there is this:

Section 4, Article 4 of the U.S. Constitution, which states:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/lawmakers-told-constitution-requires-secure-border/#5hYFeWvsIsxF2EqY.99


We don't need all this superficial crap being bandied about in Congress and the media about reform and bi-partisan Gang of 8  DACA bullsh*t.

We just need to follow the Constitution.

[txradioguy]

I don't think we need "a wall" either.  If we just enforce the damned immigration laws already on the books.... penalizing employers who hire illegals, deportation, etc...... the flood will eventually stop.  But only IF we don't hand them perks like amnesty.   If you're here illegally, you go the hell back where you came from.... until you can get here LEGALLY, like everyone already in line, doing it the right way.

Good fences make good neighbors.  And Mexico could certainly stand to be a much better neighbor to us than what they are right now.

[INVAR]

End ALL Taxpayer/Government provided welfare to anyone who is not a bona-fide citizen and whose legal guardians and/or parents are bona fide.

Mandate only bona-fide American citizens are eligible for government welfare benefits of any kind.

Mandate and require all immigrants assimilate into a distinctive American culture that requires speaking English a requirement.

END expatriation of American currency to support foreign family members until reciprocal actions are policy among immigrant host nations, and afford the same for our citizens working there in those countries.

DO those things - and the problem of illegal squatters invading the country will end overnight.

But our leaders and representatives in government will not.  They refuse.

So becoming a third world shithole ourselves is inevitable.

[Suppressed]

Everyone who knew anything about the Texas/Mexican border knew that a wall could not be built along the entire border.

Of course, but the Trumpists told us we were wrong when we pointed that out.

[INVAR]

Of course, but the Trumpists told us we were wrong when we pointed that out.

Yes.

Remember, Trump promised them that it was going to be a Yuuuuge, Big and beautiful wall that Mexico was going to pay for - and it was going to have a big, beautiful door in the middle where lots, and lots of people would come through.

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And we were told to shut up and sit down when discounting all of that pap as bogus, silly and pandering.

[Suppressed]

I'm laughing myself silly over reading the very people who during the campaign berated and insulted everyone who dared challenge their champion while repeating the mantra of "but... THE WALL!.... THE WALL!... THE WALL!" now lecturing everyone that a wall is actually a silly idea.

Come to think of it, these are also the same people who after chanting "Lock her up!" to apply to Hillary, went to bat to exonerate Trump's statement that Hillary and Bill are "good people" after his inauguration.

They are exactly like the acolytes for Obama were, just a different side of the aisle but with the same zany fervor of support for a political messiah.

Well said.

Face it, Trumpers...


YOU were the ones who were wrong!

[LadyLiberty]

I wouldn't say its necessary.

I reckon more funding for border patrols, strengthen existing laws, give out MASSIVE fines to any company that hires illegal immigrants (Jail time if necessary) , make it impossible for them to open up bank accounts, Pays Bills etc

Right now its just too east for them to go to america, get a job, even go to school etc! cut the Intensive to come and they won't go.

also give the death penalty to any illegal immigrant that commits rape/murder.

The border wall will not stop them from coming in, Unless its covers the entire border, is 30 meters under ground, mate of the harder materials and is frequently patrolled at all times. And even then, they will still most likely get through some how.

However if you stop the reasons why they want to come in the first place, they won't bother.

Good wish list.  I would like to add that babies born in the US have the same legal status as their parents.

[libertybele]

Well said.

Face it, Trumpers...


YOU were the ones who were wrong!

Uh...oh...you certainly aren't going to be very popular with that post and quite possibly, you just might have pizzed off a whole bunch of people.   

[corbe]

    Apparently @Suppressed is feeling a little Feisty today @libertybele I, for one, welcome his (new?) overlords.

[Suppressed]

Uh...oh...you certainly aren't going to be very popular with that post and quite possibly, you just might have pizzed off a whole bunch of people.   

Well, then...we'll find out who can't face reality honestly, won't we?   

Trump was a lying charlatan than many people believed. Even some of his fans now admit he just lied to get elected.

But remember the insistence that he meant what he said?  How much clearer could "Lock her up" be said? 

Or "Build the wall"?

[Suppressed]

    Apparently @Suppressed is feeling a little Feisty today @libertybele I, for one, welcome his (new?) overlords.

LOL, @corbe! @libertybele

I've gotten a bit fed up with the orangutan in the Oval Office flinging poop on Americans, and the chimpanzee chorus cheering it on.  Good Americans cringed at the pen and phone of Obama.  Good Americans cringe at

“I’m writing that out myself. I don’t care if Congress does it or not. I am writing it out myself.”

But then there are those (who once promised to hold his feet to the fire!) who try to distort and cover for him.

I just hope none of the chimps are on TBR.

[edpc]

“I’m writing that out myself. I don’t care if Congress does it or not. I am writing it out myself.”

I don't have a problem with this if it's rescinding previous Obama EOs.  IMO, the trigger on the DACA order should have been pulled the second after Gorsuch was confirmed.  It would have been immediately challenged and we'd probably have a decision on it by now, as opposed to maybe this fall.

[RoosGirl]

End ALL Taxpayer/Government provided welfare to anyone who is not a bona-fide citizen and whose legal guardians and/or parents are bona fide.

Mandate only bona-fide American citizens are eligible for government welfare benefits of any kind.

Mandate and require all immigrants assimilate into a distinctive American culture that requires speaking English a requirement.

END expatriation of American currency to support foreign family members until reciprocal actions are policy among immigrant host nations, and afford the same for our citizens working there in those countries.

DO those things - and the problem of illegal squatters invading the country will end overnight.

But our leaders and representatives in government will not.  They refuse.

So becoming a third world shithole ourselves is inevitable.

Your third world shithole comment made me think about something (again) that hapened this week.  My older dog is ill and was prescribed a medication that keeps her from producing too much insulin which causes her blood sugar to get too low.  The medication is diazoxide, which is a human drug and works as a diuretic and I believe is also used to lower extremely high blood pressure.  One huge grocery chain, Publix, that has a pharmacy in each store has the medication for $1500 for a month supply.  I told the vet I could not afford that and he checked with a local compounding pharmacy.  They can custom mix the prescription and it's $225 for a month supply.  I did that for one month and called to renew and was told their supplier can't get one of the ingredients; it's backordered until May.  What the hell?  How is any human medication backordered for 3 months?  I must be naive to think that an impossibility in the USA.

[libertybele]

Your third world shithole comment made me think about something (again) that hapened this week.  My older dog is ill and was prescribed a medication that keeps her from producing too much insulin which causes her blood sugar to get too low.  The medication is diazoxide, which is a human drug and works as a diuretic and I believe is also used to lower extremely high blood pressure.  One huge grocery chain, Publix, that has a pharmacy in each store has the medication for $1500 for a month supply.  I told the vet I could not afford that and he checked with a local compounding pharmacy.  They can custom mix the prescription and it's $225 for a month supply.  I did that for one month and called to renew and was told their supplier can't get one of the ingredients; it's backordered until May.  What the hell?  How is any human medication backordered for 3 months?  I must be naive to think that an impossibility in the USA.

The only things I can suggest is to perhaps get the med in India; I know that some U.S. pharmaceutical companies are aligning themselves with other pharm in India in order to curb high prices.

Can you not get the drug on-line through PetMeds or Diamondback drugs?

Best of luck in finding meds for your pooch.

http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/diazoxide-for-veterinary-use/

https://www.helprx.info/diazoxide-discounts-coupons

[RoosGirl]

The only things I can suggest is to perhaps get the med in India; I know that some U.S. pharmaceutical companies are aligning themselves with other pharm in India in order to curb high prices.

Can you not get the drug on-line through PetMeds or Diamondback drugs?

Best of luck in finding meds for your pooch.

http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/diazoxide-for-veterinary-use/

https://www.helprx.info/diazoxide-discounts-coupons

Thank you.  My vet has another compounding pharmacy he works with.  They're in NJ and had the meds available.  I talked with them yesterday and have the refill today for $50 less than the local compounding pharmacy in Florida.