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CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« on: February 26, 2018, 04:40:04 pm »

CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism

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This is what a wing of conservatism is becoming: booing the ideas of constitutional fidelity and moral consistency. Ugh.

For the years I was on the radio there was one columnist that I don’t remember ever disagreeing with – on policy, on style, on perspective. Whenever her pieces appeared at National Review I would find something worthy of repeating and discussing on air in every single one. A listener once called me a Mona Charen groupie. I don’t know how big that club was, but I bet it’s bigger now.

For those that haven’t heard, Mona Charen was invited to appear on a panel at CPAC – the annual conference of conservatives that has become increasingly less conservative every year. Once a meaningful gathering of conservative minds to discuss the direction of the country, the value of conservative thought, and strategies to attract more people to the movement, CPAC has become largely a money-making, pop culture Republican festival. It’s a meeting that bars social conservatives but embraces the sexual revolution.

Think of it this way: Tomi Lahren and Sheriff David Clarke are at home at CPAC; Jonah Goldberg and Erick Erickson are not.

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2018, 04:44:40 pm »
Similar thoughts in this essay and discussion:

The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2018, 05:21:57 pm »
Politics as practiced on the national level in the USA requires putting together a coalition of interests sufficient to win a plurality of electoral votes.  The coalition  that George W. Bush put together was made up of groups that were shrinking demographically, and could no longer sustain a GOP national candidate.  Trump was able hold together the GWB coalition, and add one new group to it, namely disaffected working class males in the industrial heartland.

The problem is that it puts conservatives at odds over two key issues: immigration and protectionism.  For the most part, the open borders conservatives have stayed with the party because Trump is instinctively pro-business and pro-freedom.  I doubt that too many open border conservatives care about the wall and greater enforcement of immigration laws, but they do care about erecting trade barriers,  and if the Trump administration gets aggressive in this area, there will be a serious rift in the movement. So far that hasn't happened.

The bottom line is that a pro-life, pro-constitution party cannot be big enough in the modern era to accumulate a majority.  McCain and Romney demonstrated that.  The tent needed to be bigger, and the lowest hanging fruit was the disaffected white, working class male.  The fact that a New York billionaire was able to reel that group into the fold, right under the noses of the union bosses who assured Hillary the vote was "locked in," was an amazing feat.

Trump's next big achievement may well be wresting some of the African American vote away from the Democrats.  This is a big fear in Dem circles.


   

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2018, 05:32:17 pm »
Trumpism is taking over the Republican Party and the rest of us need to decide whether to remain.   What's tricky is that Trumpism represents a direction for conservatism that is difficult to separate from the cult of personality surrounding the man himself.  Putting aside our feelings about the man,  do we agree or disagree that the conservative movement is stronger by embracing protectionism, nativism and identity politics?   For many,  that's a 360 degree turn from the optimistic conservatism of Jack Kemp, Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater that we grew up with. 
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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2018, 07:00:55 pm »
I was surprised that I was even asked to speak at CPAC. My views on Trump, Roy Moore and Steve Bannon are no secret. I knew the crowd
would be hostile, and so I was tempted to pass.

But too many of us have given up the fight. We’ve let disgust and dismay lead us to withdraw while bad actors take control of the direction of
our movement. I know how encouraged I feel whenever someone simply states the truth, and so I decided to accept CPAC’s invitation . . .

. . . While there were reasonable, mainstream Republican speakers at CPAC, the lineup also featured demagogues like Sheriff David Clarke Jr.
While he oversaw the Milwaukee County jail, one pregnant prisoner was repeatedly raped, and several prisoners died in the space of just six
months. One was a mentally ill man who was denied water for seven days. No matter. The sheriff was cheered by the CPAC crowd.

My panel was about the #MeToo movement, which was a natural for me since my new book coming out in June,
Sex Matters, grapples with
the movement and other aspects of our fraught sexual ecosystem.

After every woman on the panel had a chance to speak and with 10 minutes remaining on the clock, the moderator threw a slow pitch right
over the plate. She asked us about feminist hypocrisy. Ask me that at a cocktail party and I will talk your ear off about how the very people
who had lectured us about the utter venality of workplace sexual harassment throughout the 1980s became suddenly quiescent when the
malefactor was Bill Clinton.

But this time, and particularly in front of this crowd, it felt far more urgent to point out the hypocrisy of our side. How can conservative
women hope to have any credibility on the subject of sexual harassment or relations between the sexes when they excuse the behavior of
President Trump? And how can we participate in any conversation about sexual ethics when the Republican president and the Republican Party
backed a man credibly accused of child molestation for the United States Senate?

I watched my fellow panelists’ eyes widen. And then the booing began . . .

. . . A substantial number of people applauded. And as I was hustled out of the building by security, various supporters gave me the thumbs up sign.

Just before I reached the exit, a woman approached me and called my name. “That was so brave!” she told me.

She was one of my fellow panelists. I hope she’s encouraged. I am.

---Mona Charen, of the Ethics and Public Policy Center (and a National Review contributor), from "I'm Glad I Got Booed at CPAC,"
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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2018, 07:12:46 pm »
Politics as practiced on the national level in the USA requires putting together a coalition of interests sufficient to win a plurality of electoral votes.  The coalition  that George W. Bush put together was made up of groups that were shrinking demographically, and could no longer sustain a GOP national candidate.  Trump was able hold together the GWB coalition, and add one new group to it, namely disaffected working class males in the industrial heartland.

The problem is that it puts conservatives at odds over two key issues: immigration and protectionism.  For the most part, the open borders conservatives have stayed with the party because Trump is instinctively pro-business and pro-freedom.  I doubt that too many open border conservatives care about the wall and greater enforcement of immigration laws, but they do care about erecting trade barriers,  and if the Trump administration gets aggressive in this area, there will be a serious rift in the movement. So far that hasn't happened.

The bottom line is that a pro-life, pro-constitution party cannot be big enough in the modern era to accumulate a majority. 

If true (and I believe it is) - then into abject Socialism, Collectivism and Statism we go, as it is an unavoidable fate - and the Constitution even being used for lip service, it's days are numbered.
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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2018, 07:27:08 pm »
Trumpism is taking over the Republican Party and the rest of us need to decide whether to remain.   What's tricky is that Trumpism represents a direction for conservatism that is difficult to separate from the cult of personality surrounding the man himself.  Putting aside our feelings about the man,  do we agree or disagree that the conservative movement is stronger by embracing protectionism, nativism and identity politics?   For many,  that's a 360 degree turn from the optimistic conservatism of Jack Kemp, Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater that we grew up with.

Of those only Reagan actually won.

Kemp, Dole, McCain, Romney failed to win. (along with the cast of 15 stunningly brilliant 2016 primary contestants).

Winning is important. Ignoring that, or claiming some other strategy is better, is ineffective.

Persuasion is supremely important. Reagan had it, and Trump has it.
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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2018, 07:27:43 pm »
Trumpism is taking over the Republican Party and the rest of us need to decide whether to remain.   


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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2018, 07:31:29 pm »
If true (and I believe it is) - then into abject Socialism, Collectivism and Statism we go, as it is an unavoidable fate - and the Constitution even being used for lip service, it's days are numbered.

That is absolute. And those who promote a sliding scale cheer the sliding - Oblivious as to what we are sliding toward.  **nononono*

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2018, 07:31:47 pm »
Of those only Reagan actually won.

Kemp, Dole, McCain, Romney failed to win. (along with the cast of 15 stunningly brilliant 2016 primary contestants).

Winning is important. Ignoring that, or claiming some other strategy is better, is ineffective.

Persuasion is supremely important. Reagan had it, and Trump has it.

The Bushes killed the GOP brand.  Trump is a "Hail Mary Pass" to try to save it.  Because outside of Trump, who does the GOP have,  Kasich?!?!?!?!  Bwahahahahahahaha!

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2018, 07:34:03 pm »
Of those only Reagan actually won.

Kemp, Dole, McCain, Romney failed to win. (along with the cast of 15 stunningly brilliant 2016 primary contestants).

Winning is important. Ignoring that, or claiming some other strategy is better, is ineffective.

Persuasion is supremely important. Reagan had it, and Trump has it.

That wholly depends upon one's definition of 'winning'...
This is not winning.

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2018, 07:47:36 pm »
That is absolute. And those who promote a sliding scale cheer the sliding - Oblivious as to what we are sliding toward.  **nononono*

Yes. Just another version of defining deviancy downward.

We just continue to slide the definition of the principles of liberty downward to what the Democrats themselves have sought to fundamentally transform us into.

But as long as their 'team' wins, who gives a crap what happens to Liberty?

It's now all wrapped up in a cult of personality and a Big Government Party that leads the charge in deficit spending, amnesty and gun control.
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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2018, 07:50:22 pm »
It's now all wrapped up in a cult of personality and a Big Government Party that leads the charge in deficit spending, amnesty and gun control.

'WINNING'.

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2018, 07:53:22 pm »
If true (and I believe it is) - then into abject Socialism, Collectivism and Statism we go, as it is an unavoidable fate - and the Constitution even being used for lip service, it's days are numbered.

Some of us believe we are already there.  When the federal government spends more than 30 percent of GDP, it is not really possible to have a free market economy with unfettered individual freedom.  We all live at the whim of the federal reserve and eastern establishment.  We haven't had anything close to a free market system since the Calvin Coolidge days.

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2018, 07:54:13 pm »
'WINNING'.

That is all that matters to most "conservatives" these days.

The ephemeral emotion of winning the prize is utmost, even at the cost of surrendering the fundamental principles of liberty and sound government for Big Government Statism.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2018, 07:56:17 pm »
Trumpism is taking over the Republican Party and the rest of us need to decide whether to remain.   What's tricky is that Trumpism represents a direction for conservatism that is difficult to separate from the cult of personality surrounding the man himself.  Putting aside our feelings about the man,  do we agree or disagree that the conservative movement is stronger by embracing protectionism, nativism and identity politics?   For many,  that's a 360 degree turn from the optimistic conservatism of Jack Kemp, Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater that we grew up with.

Forgive me @Jazzhead but I am having a difficult time believing you are concerned in any shape, manner or form for the survival and growth of either the GOP or the conservative movement.

So spill it ... how are you hoping a deeper split between the GOP and Conservatives helps move your liberal agenda forward?

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2018, 08:00:25 pm »
Some of us believe we are already there.  When the federal government spends more than 30 percent of GDP, it is not really possible to have a free market economy with unfettered individual freedom.  We all live at the whim of the federal reserve and eastern establishment.  We haven't had anything close to a free market system since the Calvin Coolidge days.

Yes sir!  Absolutely true!  :beer:
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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2018, 08:03:24 pm »
That is absolute. And those who promote a sliding scale cheer the sliding - Oblivious as to what we are sliding toward.  **nononono*

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2018, 08:18:23 pm »
At this point in time, we don't have time for "ideological purism".  The bottom-line is that the Left is this close to permanently transforming this country in their image, and there will be no turning back. 

And the bottom line is right now, Trump is the only thing standing in their way.

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2018, 08:21:56 pm »
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I for one no longer consider the opinion of those who have made themselves irrelevant in this process.  If you don't vote then you don't matter in a political process.

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You get what you vote for.If you are voting liberals into office, I don't see how that helps anything. In fact, it can only make it worse.

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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2018, 08:24:09 pm »
At this point in time, we don't have time for "ideological purism".  The bottom-line is that the Left is this close to permanently transforming this country in their image, and there will be no turning back. 

Then there is no hope at all, and we are already done.

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And the bottom line is right now, Trump is the only thing standing in their way.

Riiiight. Standing in the way with massive spending, amnesty, and gun control.  *****rollingeyes*****

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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2018, 08:33:10 pm »


Riiiight. Standing in the way with massive spending, amnesty, and gun control.  *****rollingeyes*****

I don't know if we'll ever see anyone do away with the massive spending part, if Reagan couldn't do it, who can?

I am still holding out hope on amnesty and gun control, with Trump.    What else do we have right now?

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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2018, 08:34:48 pm »
Mona Charen is a bonafide jackass just like all the other losers at National Review who write about a world that hasen't existed fror 30 or 40 years. Right here she is telling the party to tone down the Immigration issue because it is toxic and the GOP Presidential candidate would lose running on it.....

What’s at Stake with Trump

https://www.nationalreview.com/blog/corner/whats-stake-trump-mona-charen/

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A smart Republican approach to the issue of illegal immigration would constantly stress how much we value the rule of law, how illegals are line jumping and this isn’t fair to those who abide by the rules, how much we value the contributions of Hispanic Americans to this country, and how much we want to include Hispanic Americans in the Republican coalition.
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The Trump surge has the potential to cripple the Republican Party by tainting it. During primary season it’s easy to lose sight of the larger electorate. But the ad makers are taking notes and pulling quotes for use next summer. The Democrats are self-destructing. There is a path — clear and inviting — to Republican success. But Trumpism could kill it.

This ignorant moron had no idea what she was talking about. She never does. All these so called Conservatives who have ridden the party into the ground prior to Trump can all go to hell. Not only do I like seeing this know nothing loser get booed at CPAC, I wish they would have thrown rotten food at her.

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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2018, 08:36:32 pm »
At this point in time, we don't have time for "ideological purism".  The bottom-line is that the Left is this close to permanently transforming this country in their image, and there will be no turning back. 

And the bottom line is right now, Trump is the only thing standing in their way.

Depending on what the year is, what the issues are, and who the candidates are, conservative "ideological purism" spans a very wide range of possible outcomes.

As in "if only we had a 'true conservative,' like Reagan." That ideological pure" fellow that kicked off neverending deficits, and multi-generational-chain amnesty.
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Re: CPAC is What Trumpism Is Doing to Conservatism
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2018, 08:40:01 pm »
@driftdiver

You get what you vote for.If you are voting liberals into office, I don't see how that helps anything. In fact, it can only make it worse.

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Not having the less liberal person in office sure doesn't help.   I can't think of much worse then having a Hillary Clinton in office.
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