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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2018, 06:41:45 am »
Quote from: Once-Ler on February 26, 2018, 05:11:09 am
Except for @massadvj , no substantive remarks.  Speaking as a man without a party I hope Kasich is right.  Neither party has the moral foundation to lead and neither party has a cohesive ideology to frame a moral foundation.  I can't support either.

Well aren't you spoiled for choice then. If McMuffin doesn't come through you got Mail Sack Johnny to vote for. I envy you.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2018, 12:59:31 pm »
Quote from: Once-Ler on February 26, 2018, 05:11:09 am
Except for @massadvj , no substantive remarks.  Speaking as a man without a party I hope Kasich is right.  Neither party has the moral foundation to lead and neither party has a cohesive ideology to frame a moral foundation.  I can't support either.

My apologies for not being up to snuff for you.   *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2018, 01:43:50 pm »
Mail Sack Johnny! 

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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2018, 01:53:50 pm »
Quote from: Once-Ler on February 26, 2018, 05:11:09 am
Except for @massadvj , no substantive remarks.  Speaking as a man without a party I hope Kasich is right.  Neither party has the moral foundation to lead and neither party has a cohesive ideology to frame a moral foundation.  I can't support either.

Granted most of the remarks (mine included) show great disdain for Kasich and rightfully so.  As for neither party having the moral foundation to lead, I agree.  Too many members of both parties have sold their party's principles down the road.  I personally would like to see a 3rd party emerge and become successful, but the chances of that happening is slim to none.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2018, 01:59:51 pm »
Quote from: Once-Ler on February 26, 2018, 05:11:09 am
Except for @massadvj , no substantive remarks.  Speaking as a man without a party I hope Kasich is right.  Neither party has the moral foundation to lead and neither party has a cohesive ideology to frame a moral foundation.  I can't support either.

I hope Kasich is right too.   While I'm not yet a man without a party,  it is obvious that the GOP is internally split and the several flavors of conservatives spit their hate at each other more than they do at the Dems.  And the neither the GOP nor the Dems even try to appeal to those of us who are conservative on economic issues and moderate on social issues.    The two parties are sick because they are  beholden to their extremes and obsessed with tribalism,  and those of us who aren't extremists or fans of identity politics feel we deserve a voice as well.   

I don't know whether Kasich is the man to do it, but the country, in 2020, ought to be ripe for a third party candidate for President who can appeal to Dems who aren't socialists, and Republicans who aren't know-nothing nativists.   I suspect there are at least a few of each still left.   
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2018, 02:06:44 pm »
Quote from: Once-Ler on February 26, 2018, 05:11:09 am
Except for @massadvj , no substantive remarks. 

You guys are in big trouble if you start counting on me for substance.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2018, 02:33:31 pm »
Quote from: massadvj on February 26, 2018, 02:06:44 pm
You guys are in big trouble if you start counting on me for substance.

Well you are the Oracle of de BR. 
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2018, 03:28:44 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on February 26, 2018, 02:33:31 pm
Well you are the Oracle of de BR.

Trudat.  The rest of us are a bunch of numbnutz, apparently, acquiring our tutelage at the knees of the greatest minds.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2018, 04:59:52 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on February 26, 2018, 02:33:31 pm
Well you are the Oracle of de BR.

This sounds like an awesome responsibility.  I am not sure I am up to the task.  I am 65 years old now.  My wits are not what they once were.  Plus, I just married a woman 12 years my younger.  My energy is being sapped, not to mention the loss of precious bodily fluids.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2018, 05:17:22 pm »
Quote from: massadvj on February 26, 2018, 04:59:52 pm
This sounds like an awesome responsibility.  I am not sure I am up to the task.  I am 65 years old now.  My wits are not what they once were.  Plus, I just married a woman 12 years my younger.  My energy is being sapped, not to mention the loss of precious bodily fluids.

Just stay away from the fluoridated water and drink only distilled water, or rainwater, or pure-grain alcohol and you will be okay! 
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2018, 05:25:11 pm »
So where's the "second" party?
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2018, 05:27:26 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on February 26, 2018, 05:17:22 pm
Just stay away from the fluoridated water and drink only distilled water, or rainwater, or pure-grain alcohol and you will be okay!

uh oh.  I gargle with a fluoride mouthwash every evening without fail, and have for over 20 years.  I also vaccinated my kids.  My entire family is doomed.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2018, 05:33:26 pm »
Quote from: massadvj on February 25, 2018, 06:59:37 pm
“I mean, I don't think it's going to happen tomorrow, but I think over time, do not be surprised if these millennials and these Gen Xers begin to say, ‘Neither party works, we want something new,'" he said.

If any generation would have nixed the two-party system, it would have been the anti-war, anti-establishment baby boomers, who were far more political than the millennials or genX.  The boomers didn't reinvent the system, for the simple reason that eventually they had to grow up and fend for themselves. The same will be said for millennials, especiallt since they will have the option of escaping into 3D virtual reality, where everything can be just the way they want it.

Kasich is a fool, and this is not the first time he has jumped the shark.

But his daddy was a mailman IIRC!

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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2018, 05:37:33 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on February 26, 2018, 01:53:50 pm
Granted most of the remarks (mine included) show great disdain for Kasich and rightfully so.  As for neither party having the moral foundation to lead, I agree.  Too many members of both parties have sold their party's principles down the road.  I personally would like to see a 3rd party emerge and become successful, but the chances of that happening is slim to none.

Well, the democrats will hang in there and stick together.

If we flail around looking for a perfect party, they will win.  I don't want them to win.

I want to elect some conservative Republicans and I want term limits.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2018, 05:40:08 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 26, 2018, 01:59:51 pm
I hope Kasich is right too.   While I'm not yet a man without a party,  it is obvious that the GOP is internally split and the several flavors of conservatives spit their hate at each other more than they do at the Dems.  And the neither the GOP nor the Dems even try to appeal to those of us who are conservative on economic issues and moderate on social issues.    The two parties are sick because they are  beholden to their extremes and obsessed with tribalism,  and those of us who aren't extremists or fans of identity politics feel we deserve a voice as well.   

I don't know whether Kasich is the man to do it, but the country, in 2020, ought to be ripe for a third party candidate for President who can appeal to Dems who aren't socialists, and Republicans who aren't know-nothing nativists.   I suspect there are at least a few of each still left.

Okay, if you think Kasich is right about anything, good luck.  And he will bore everyone to death.  I had to mute him during the debates.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2018, 05:41:18 pm »
Quote from: massadvj on February 26, 2018, 05:27:26 pm
uh oh.  I gargle with a fluoride mouthwash every evening without fail, and have for over 20 years.  I also vaccinated my kids.  My entire family is doomed.

I cannot stand health crazies.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2018, 06:04:36 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on February 26, 2018, 05:40:08 pm
Okay, if you think Kasich is right about anything, good luck.  And he will bore everyone to death.  I had to mute him during the debates.

It's not a matter of whether Kasich is right.   It's a matter of whether the GOP coalition is split beyond repair.   
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2018, 06:21:22 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 26, 2018, 06:04:36 pm
It's not a matter of whether Kasich is right.   It's a matter of whether the GOP coalition is split beyond repair.

Except you really need to keep in mind that those like Kasich ARE the reason why the GOP is split.  He doesn't represent conservatism.  I found it almost laughable in an interview asking him if he was running in 2020, he stated several times that he's a Republican!  I don't know who he was trying to convince; himself or his audience. 

If a viable third party emerges, so be it. Although I find that highly doubtful because of the money and power behind the RNC and the DNC that they would make any headway.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2018, 07:01:54 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on February 26, 2018, 06:21:22 pm
Except you really need to keep in mind that those like Kasich ARE the reason why the GOP is split.  He doesn't represent conservatism. 

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Sing it!  There are too many people who think Kasich IS a conservative, and all that does is make me laugh when they claim they, too, are conservative.
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2018, 07:10:23 pm »
Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'

When do we get to the End of John Kasich speaking as if he is an authority on the subject?
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Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2018, 07:23:15 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on February 26, 2018, 07:10:23 pm
Re: John Kasich: US may be witnessing 'the end of a two-party system'

When do we get to the End of John Kasich speaking as if he is an authority on the subject?

When he stops sucking up to the MSM.  IOW, never.
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