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Offline Jazzhead

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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2018, 03:57:03 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on February 21, 2018, 02:48:52 pm
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An AR15 is functionally the same as every other firearm not classified as a Class 3 firearm.   That means you pull the trigger one time and it shoots one time.

It's a semi-automatic.  It's a killing machine.   I don't want to ban it,  but I sure as hell want these things registered and insured.   
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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2018, 04:06:14 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 21, 2018, 03:57:03 pm
It's a semi-automatic. 

Like many hunting rifles.  But most hunting rifles are far more powerful than a typical AR15.

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It's a killing machine.

But killing far less than other common items, like cars

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I don't want to ban it,  but I sure as hell want these things registered and insured.

You just want to make it far more expensive so fewer people, particularly the poor, have the ability to defend themselves.
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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2018, 04:08:53 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 21, 2018, 03:57:03 pm
It's a semi-automatic.  It's a killing machine.   I don't want to ban it,  but I sure as hell want these things registered and insured.

Hate speech.  Its offensive. You don't want to ban it, but you sure as hell will want government to regulate and restrict it.
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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2018, 04:13:35 pm »
I own one of these. It also is a semi-auto and you might call it a killing machine (but you'd be laughed at greatly).

Marlin® Model 60 .22 LR Semiautomatic Rimfire Rifles
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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2018, 05:17:25 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 21, 2018, 02:10:12 pm
You're saying this biathlete doesn't understand firearms basics?

Why do you have to always bring  a person's sexual orientation into every discussion.   
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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2018, 05:24:38 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 21, 2018, 03:57:03 pm
It's a semi-automatic.  It's a killing machine.   I don't want to ban it,  but I sure as hell want these things registered and insured.

I'd rather have someone with an AR-15 after me than the same guy with an 82 year old M1 Garand.
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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2018, 05:32:50 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on February 21, 2018, 05:24:38 pm
I'd rather have someone with an AR-15 after me than the same guy with an 82 year old M1 Garand.


Or this 6 round, gate loading lever gun in .45-70 Govt.

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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2018, 05:45:49 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on February 21, 2018, 01:54:44 pm
We really should work harder at education.   Perhaps if more people understood firearm basics we wouldn't be punished with idiots like this guy.

What does he have wrong?  I don't know of any AR-15 that shoots .22LR with a bolt action or Fortner action.

Caliber and action are some of the most basics you can have for firearms, and they are definitely different.
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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2018, 05:47:30 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on February 21, 2018, 05:17:25 pm
Why do you have to always bring  a person's sexual orientation into every discussion.   

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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2018, 05:48:34 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on February 21, 2018, 04:13:35 pm
I own one of these. It also is a semi-auto and you might call it a killing machine (but you'd be laughed at greatly).

Marlin® Model 60 .22 LR Semiautomatic Rimfire Rifles

Different cartridge; different magazine.  Tubular magazine doesn't have the same effective ROF.


I don't want AR-15s banned nor registered, but let's be honest.
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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2018, 05:57:04 pm »
Quote from: Suppressed on February 21, 2018, 05:48:34 pm
Different cartridge; different magazine.  Tubular magazine doesn't have the same effective ROF.


I don't want AR-15s banned nor registered, but let's be honest.


Well, if we are being honest, then we have to admit that rate of fire and magazine capacity does not guarantee casualties. James Holmes had an AR style weapon with a large drum magazine. It jammed.  That is a known issue with those types of feeding systems.
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Re: One of America's best marksmen on gun control: 'There's just no reason for assault rifles to be
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2018, 06:01:53 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 21, 2018, 02:28:02 pm
So you're saying the AR -15 is especially useful to Cruz because it equalizes his abilities to kill as compared with a precision shooter?

Assuming Cruz could obtain a driver license by age 19 in Florida, and he could borrow, buy, rent or steal a motor vehicle.

He could have easily done his dirty deed, mowing down people with his motor vehicle. (Think Charlottesville, Paris, Berlin, etc)

So do we propose restricting or banning motor vehicles, so dangerous people can't get them?

We need dangerous people control, not dangerous object control.

Once police have been called to his home 20 times, do you take all of the vehicles in his vicinity, off the road?
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