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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #100 on: February 20, 2018, 05:27:28 pm »
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TBR is still caught in a twisted, convoluted time warp and apparently, happily so.  What a waste this is and so very pathetic.

I am sorry you feel that way..there are other options out there for you.

It is not a time-warp...members here are free to discuss any politician, including the President, when they think he/she is wrong.
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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #101 on: February 20, 2018, 05:31:20 pm »
I know and it breaks my heart that they feel they have been run off. I want TBR to remain neutral where politics can be discussed freely and ALL politicians are subject to scrutiny....TBR WILL not become a Pro-Trump site!

The concept of freedom is a difficult thing to maintain.

If the pro-Trump, nothing but Trump folks around here feel like they should be able to dictate what goes on, they start doing it...... and the more they do it, the less comfortable people who have significant issues with Trump feel posting their disagreements.

The bombastic fighters will remain, but a lot of moderate, softer spoken opponents of what Trump is doing would rather walk away.

I know the Trump folks don't believe it because I am in their teeny tiny box and subject to ridicule, but I actually want TBR to express all sides of the debate.  I want to see rational pro-Trump arguments and rational anti-Trump arguments...... especially on subjects where I don't feel well versed enough to comment and just lurk.

Some people just can't let that happen............. and I do understand why the result is that people who have trouble with Trump choose to walk away.

I think that's the goal of a few here, and it breaks my heart that they seem to be succeeding in driving others away.
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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #102 on: February 20, 2018, 05:32:00 pm »
I know and it breaks my heart that they feel they have been run off. I want TBR to remain neutral where politics can be discussed freely and ALL politicians ....

Then, respectfully @mystery-ak may I suggest in the interest of transparency you replace the photo of Ronald Reagan in the masthead with a photo of a big, empty tent?

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #103 on: February 20, 2018, 05:32:36 pm »
So, the answer is "no" we still are not on the same team.   Nothing will satisfy you @Sanguine because IMO, the *reasoned* explanation you posted above is just plain, bleeping stupid and stupid cannot be fixed.

TBR is still caught in a twisted, convoluted time warp and apparently, happily so.  What a waste this is and so very pathetic.

Oh, no, RIV, I do believe "stupid can be fixed".  First of all, you have to use the word properly - just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them stupid.  In fact, and not casting any aspersions here, demonizing someone who doesn't agree with you is a global leftist tactic.

Secondly, as an integral step in the quest to rid you of your stupidity, you have to admit that there are other opinions.  You really don't think yours is the only one of value do you?

Now there are roughly three groups of people here:  ETs, (a very few) NTs and those of us who cringe at some of Trump's character flaws and egregious abuses of others, but who also support his presidency, are deeply, deeply thankful that Clinton didn't win, and would like to see a concerted effort to encourage his nascent conservatism and curb his more damaging impulses.

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #104 on: February 20, 2018, 05:33:16 pm »
*****rollingeyes***** oh the drama.

You and a few others around here will never be satisfied until the "refugees" as you call them and any one else who doesn't give your idol the proper amount of respect in your slanted opinion are completely gone from here.

Hate to inform you we're here to stay.  That "convoluted time warp is one of your own making by the way.

Now run along and wilt some more flowers.

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #105 on: February 20, 2018, 05:36:50 pm »
You don't have to worry about that. This place has strong management and despite the best and continuous efforts by a handful of disruptors you won't see TBR turn orange ant time soon.

It's probably one of the more balanced places for both sides of the issue.

I agree that the management here is stellar (THANK you, @mystery-ak  and Mods), and that it is still balanced.  And my feet are firmly planted, the ET's desires notwithstanding.

I have just sensed (along with some others), that the ET's are feeling emboldened to try to drive some of the rest of us away...... and I don't want to see good people who help provide that balance go anywhere else.

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #106 on: February 20, 2018, 05:38:22 pm »

If Trump supporters can admit that we've got a seriously flawed winner,

I admit Trump played as dirty as it took, to gain victory.
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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #107 on: February 20, 2018, 05:39:00 pm »
Then, respectfully @mystery-ak may I suggest in the interest of transparency you replace the photo of Ronald Reagan in the masthead with a photo of a big, empty tent?

The Repub Big Tent idea was RR's...where all factions of the GOP were welcome..that has been TBR's view from the very beginning but you know that. We can all *live*together and still have different ideas/opinions and TBR was to be a place to discuss them.

I am considering replacing the banner when we update the forum...but not for the reason you stated.
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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #108 on: February 20, 2018, 05:39:19 pm »
I am sorry you feel that way..there are other options out there for you.

It is not a time-warp...members here are free to discuss any politician, including the President, when they think he/she is wrong.

Disagreeing with the President is not the issue I raised @mystery-ak   I was hoping for confirmation that at least on the issues and the goals for our nation we were on the same page ... the same team, even if we don't always like the coach.  I'm sorry you missed this.

But thanks for the reminder --- always good to hear from the owner of the forum who not too long ago considered me a respected colleague in political debate.

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #109 on: February 20, 2018, 05:42:31 pm »
I admit Trump played as dirty as it took, to gain victory.

And that winning at any price, at any cost, was a good thing......

(Now don't go calling me a Hillary lover.  Just address the issue that you thought that there should be no restrictions on Trump's behavior or ethics, as long as he gained "victory.")
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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #110 on: February 20, 2018, 05:42:37 pm »
Will there ever be a moment in time when Briefers can agree the 2016 election is over and put it in a lockbox behind us?

You would love that wouldn't you?  Insist that we forget all the broken promises, the threats made on refuseniks, the declarations that anyone voting 3rd party or writing-in were "Hillary supporters", "Enemies of the state", etc., etc.  Forget that ObamaCare remains intact and is fully funded sans the mandate penalty that is being rediscussed.  Forgot that your party and Trump just outspent Obama on a 1.5 TRILLION dollar deficit spending budget that funds everything Trump vowed to get rid of without any "wall" or change in illegal refugees pouring into the country.

Yeah - you want us to forget and continue to blindly support a failed and corrupted party that demonstrated its contempt for Conservatives in the last several years as it swerves ever-more Left in support of the Democrat agenda it has passed and funded.

I will no longer engage a poster who reopens debate on the primary or general election and this includes the difficulties between candidates Trump and Cruz .  I encourage others to do the same.

Yeah but you'll likely continue to fling the same garbage flung at refuseniks during the election that party loyalists and Trump acolytes cannot help but continue to fling.

Will there be a moment in time when Briefers agree we have a common enemy --- one that is corrupt, powerful and in control of the political narrative?  And that this enemy --- like him or not, voted for him or not --- is not the President?

Your problem is that you are set on the common enemy only being a Democrat or their base.  You willfully fail to see that the common enemy is not party politics, but  liberalism/Leftism/Statism infecting BOTH PARTIES.  Liberal Socialism that they both embrace and both serve to the exclusion of the foundational principles Conservatives are governed by.

The 'common enemy' is Statism and Big Government liberal Socialism.  You unfortunately want us to look at only Democrats as being the protagonists when your own party is right there alongside them helping to entrench it and spending us into oblivion to achieve it.

Can we agree we are on the same side, the same team with the same goals:....

Can we??  You and your fellows demonstrated that Conservative principles do not matter to you.  Pragmatism matters.  Populism matters.  Party loyalty and party support and unwavering devotion to a man in high office matters, and is the ONLY way to achieve the goal - even when your party supports and funds the Democrat agenda.  How many ridiculous justifications for why the Republicans are doing exactly what the Democrats did do we read from you and yours?  You folks just continue to display the "It's okay when WE do it" meme, and then go into spin mode to justify it.

If we can't agree that the election is over, the President is not the enemy, and while method and process may differ...

'Method and process'??? That's just code for embracing Statism to supposedly 'save' Conservatism.  The same thing that Bush said with: ‘I’ve Abandoned Free Market Principles To Save The Free Market System’.  'Embrace Liberal Statism to save the republic from liberal statists'.  The GOP has essentially campaigned on the fact that they can manage Statism better than the Democrats can.

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #111 on: February 20, 2018, 05:51:22 pm »
Oh, no, RIV, I do believe "stupid can be fixed".  First of all, you have to use the word properly - just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them stupid.  In fact, and not casting any aspersions here, demonizing someone who doesn't agree with you is a global leftist tactic.

Secondly, as an integral step in the quest to rid you of your stupidity, you have to admit that there are other opinions.  You really don't think yours is the only one of value do you?

Now there are roughly three groups of people here:  ETs, (a very few) NTs and those of us who cringe at some of Trump's character flaws and egregious abuses of others, but who also support his presidency, are deeply, deeply thankful that Clinton didn't win, and would like to see a concerted effort to encourage his nascent conservatism and curb his more damaging impulses.

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #112 on: February 20, 2018, 05:51:22 pm »
@driftdiver is the only example I've seen.

He's said basically, Trump is a moral reprobate, but we knew that so, no big deal.....


Something like that......   :shrug:

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #113 on: February 20, 2018, 05:52:17 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia, I believe you to be sincere in your proposition.  But - here's the problem:  ETs (EverTrumpers) refuse to admit that the primaries were dirty and Trump did wrong to a number of people and candidates.  And, that's the whole crux of the thing as I see it.

If Trump supporters can admit that we've got a seriously flawed winner, who is doing some very good things, and some not so good things, I think we can put the rancor aside and move on with what we've actually got. 

Until that happens, speaking for myself, I think we have a bunch of ETs who are unable or unwilling to see the problem areas in Trump and if you don't see them, you don't deal with them.

Dirty politics? Say it ain’t so.

And of course only Trump engaged in “dirty” politics. And Ted Cruz was an angel....

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #114 on: February 20, 2018, 05:55:41 pm »
Dirty politics? Say it ain’t so.

And of course only Trump engaged in “dirty” politics. And Ted Cruz was an angel....

@aligncare

I didn't see Cruz do anything close to what Trump did.  He behaved honorably.

I think Cruz problem was he lacks the charisma needed to win in today's politics at the Presidential level.  Maybe he has it but it sure didn't come through.   Not that media was helping him.
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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #115 on: February 20, 2018, 05:57:23 pm »
@aligncare

I didn't see Cruz do anything close to what Trump did.  He behaved honorably.

I think Cruz problem was he lacks the charisma needed to win in today's politics at the Presidential level.  Maybe he has it but it sure didn't come through.   Not that media was helping him.

Why @driftdiver does this still matter? 

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #116 on: February 20, 2018, 05:58:16 pm »
@aligncare

I didn't see Cruz do anything close to what Trump did.  He behaved honorably.

I think Cruz problem was he lacks the charisma needed to win in today's politics at the Presidential level.  Maybe he has it but it sure didn't come through.   Not that media was helping him.

...as in when Teddy agreed with the mainstream media (following  the canceled Chicago Trump rally) that Trump supporters were violent.

Funny how people see things through different colored lens...
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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #117 on: February 20, 2018, 05:58:45 pm »
@aligncare

I didn't see Cruz do anything close to what Trump did.  He behaved honorably.

I think Cruz problem was he lacks the charisma needed to win in today's politics at the Presidential level.  Maybe he has it but it sure didn't come through.   Not that media was helping him.

This, FWIW  @mystery-ak is an example of the time warp I was referencing.

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #118 on: February 20, 2018, 05:59:44 pm »
Why @driftdiver does this still matter?

Because it would help you understand why many are not fully trusting and accepting of Trump.


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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #119 on: February 20, 2018, 06:00:48 pm »
Why @driftdiver does this still matter?
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I was addressing the implication that Ted ran a dirty campaign.  He didnt.
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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #120 on: February 20, 2018, 06:01:20 pm »
Are we or are we not on the same team, working for the same goals for the same nation  --- or is it more important that I post what you want to hear in a way you want to hear it?  @Sanguine

Pretty amazing, RIV.  You just ignored everything I wrote and responded with something completely unconnected.  OK, you've proven me wrong.  Some things can't be fixed.

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #121 on: February 20, 2018, 06:02:20 pm »
Because it would help you understand why many are not fully trusting and accepting of Trump.

Yeah, Trump’s got something socialist up his sleeve, I’m sure of it.  *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #122 on: February 20, 2018, 06:04:53 pm »
...as in when Teddy agreed with the mainstream media (following  the canceled Chicago Trump rally) that Trump supporters were violent.

Funny how people see things through different colored lens...

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Is that the worst?   Trump did some very very bad, really bad things during the primaries.   He was even worse then Romney against Cain.

But yes that's history.   We need to fight back the leftists hordes and so far Trump has surprisingly done some good things.
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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #123 on: February 20, 2018, 06:06:04 pm »
Yeah, Trump’s got something socialist up his sleeve, I’m sure of it.  *****rollingeyes*****

Well it would explain why he donated so much to the Clinton's.
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Re: Trump endorses Romney...
« Reply #124 on: February 20, 2018, 06:07:41 pm »
@aligncare
Is that the worst?   Trump did some very very bad, really bad things during the primaries.   He was even worse then Romney against Cain.

But yes that's history.   We need to fight back the leftists hordes and so far Trump has surprisingly done some good things.

Thats the whole rub of this.  Many of us will give Trump kudos when they warrant, but watch out if we ever say anything negative about him .  Speak ill, and the orange hoard goes into attack mode lockstep.
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