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OK, first thing is this is a sign in Australia. Still, an interesting article.

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Florida school massacre sparks church sign: 'When will they love their kids more than their guns'
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Photo shows the parish billboard sign in front of the Gosford Anglican Church in Australia after Florida school shooting.  (Facebook)


Australia’s rebel reverend is commenting on the Florida school massacre with a parish billboard sign that says, “When will they love their kids more than their guns.”

In a Facebook post of a photo of the sign, Anglican priest Rod Bower calls the U.S. “a society destroying itself from within” and an empire in decline that “can never be great again.”

“A culture that loves guns more than children has no future other than corruption, decline and death,” Bower wrote.

Read more at: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/18/florida-school-massacre-sparks-church-sign-when-will-love-their-kids-more-than-their-guns.html

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Gun owners have them to protect and sometimes feed their families because they love them.  Nothing could be more caring than securing a future of liberty by protecting your 2A rights.

All of these dystopian sagas kids love so much like Hunger Games have people living under oppressive regimes where private ownership of weapons is a death sentence. 
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There couldn't be a better example of sophistry than this sign.

Its not even sophistry - its a cheesy rhetorical device. The kind of which the left excels.

If anyone were to ask me this to my face I'd bust their nose.
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“When will they love their kids more than their guns.”

This reminds me of the quote attributed to Golda Meir:  "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

It had the desired affect; still does.



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This reminds me of the quote attributed to Golda Meir:  "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

It had the desired affect; still does.

The Meir quote has the advantage of having some relationship to rationality.

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The Meir quote has the advantage of having some relationship to rationality.

The Meir-credited quote turned every Arab mother and father into a monster who doesn't care if children, including their own, die.

That wasn't rational, but in some circles it is believed to this day.

We shouldn't dismiss this sentiment.  We should hope the mantra that gun owners don't care about kids doesn't grow---instead of dismissing it out of hand, we should actively nip it in the bud.   This kind of crap is loaded with glue.


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The Meir-credited quote turned every Arab mother and father into a monster who doesn't care if children, including their own, die.

That wasn't rational, but in some circles it is believed to this day.


Gee, I wonder why.......

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/22/hamas-hiding-rockets-in-schools-children-playgrounds-israel-and-un-agency-say.html
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The Meir-credited quote turned every Arab mother and father into a monster who doesn't care if children, including their own, die.

That wasn't rational, but in some circles it is believed to this day.

We shouldn't dismiss this sentiment.  We should hope the mantra that gun owners don't care about kids doesn't grow---instead of dismissing it out of hand, we should actively nip it in the bud.   This kind of crap is loaded with glue.

You don't think Meir's statement was based in reality? 

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You don't think Meir's statement was based in reality?

I think she painted with a rather broad brush (if Meir actually said this .. this is still being debated).  I think reality includes--at least the possibility--that most Arab parents love their children. 

But the purpose of my post @Sanguine was not to debate Israeli/Arab politics ... but to point out the power in accusing parents of not loving children, even their own.  Such statements gain traction because they're easy and paint the opposition as monsters.

Perhaps we need to start a counter narrative; one that begins with "We will fight to the death to protect our children" (and then itemize how) ---- rather than lifting a rifle over our heads and cheering "from my cold, dead hands".

Just a suggestion ... take it or leave it.






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The gun wasn't filled with hate or evil.

The kid was. And the left is filling more and more kids minds with the same evil.

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Anglicans. Enough said.

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When will certain so called Christian churches love God more than Democrat politics? (No, I won't recount my oft-told tale of leaving the PCUSA).
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You can expect a resurrection of this trope in a derivative form.
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The gun wasn't filled with hate or evil.

The kid was. And the left is filling more and more kids minds with the same evil.

Quite true... only, not just kids minds.  In fact, the left is... as we speak... openly inciting hatred and violence against cops, against whitey and against Trump and anyone that supports him.  And the leftist media are supporting those efforts by not reporting the truth.
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“When will they love their kids more than their guns.”

When will they demand the schools protect their kids as securely as they demand the banks protect their money?
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There's a Church that should have their tax-exemption lifted.
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When will they stop blaming inanimate objects for behavior they refuse to admit has been fostered by the very social policies they have supported?
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Perhaps we need to start a counter narrative; one that begins with "We will fight to the death to protect our children" (and then itemize how) ---- rather than lifting a rifle over our heads and cheering "from my cold, dead hands".

Just a suggestion ... take it or leave it.

It is an old Anti-Gun Leftist tactic to charge someone who owns guns and refuses to surrender them or agree to more regulatory and confiscatory ideas, with not loving children because they are armed.

My wife and I got that treatment just over 2 decades ago when our suburb decided to follow Morton Grove's total ban on gun ownership and the town council had a 'hearing' that was kept secret until the last minute about the municipality's ordinance proposal to do it.  We showed up to voice our opinion with a few other local gun owners, and out-of-the-blue busses of anti-gun activists showed up to flood the 'hearing' and chant anyone down who was attempting to argue to the town council against the proposed ordinance. 

The board seemed delighted every single time one of us was shouted down and silenced.  The board allowed anti-gun screeds from people claiming to be residents - but when we asked them where they lived and what street they got belligerent.  But the board refused to take order.  It was 3 to 1 anti-gun comments to any one of our pro-2nd Amendment comments - and every single one of them was allowed to be interrupted, and when time ran out - the gavel came down and they would not let us finish our comments. Meanwhile, the anti-gun nazis spoke with little interruption (we were gaveled to silence because we booed them).

My wife got up and argued she was raised with guns, and was training our daughters to use them safely and properly as she was. Some hippie woman got right in her face and started screaming she did not love our kids and that the state should take them away.  My wife told her to back off and the woman actually bumped her nose into my wife's while screaming (it looked like she head butted my wife) - and my wife hauled off and punched her in the face to which the cops came and escorted us out of the building.  And during our exit down the gauntlet - we had cups of hot coffee thrown on us to chants of "You hate children! Unfit parents!".

Needless to say - the ordinance was already a done deal, passed in the middle of the night - and the "hearing" was just a formality because they conveniently skipped the public comment requirement until someone called them out on it in the local paper.

But, that was a suburb of Chicago - and the handwriting was on the wall that we had to get the hell out of there - and so we did, 8 months later.
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I think she painted with a rather broad brush (if Meir actually said this .. this is still being debated).  I think reality includes--at least the possibility--that most Arab parents love their children. 

But the purpose of my post @Sanguine was not to debate Israeli/Arab politics ... but to point out the power in accusing parents of not loving children, even their own.  Such statements gain traction because they're easy and paint the opposition as monsters.

Perhaps we need to start a counter narrative; one that begins with "We will fight to the death to protect our children" (and then itemize how) ---- rather than lifting a rifle over our heads and cheering "from my cold, dead hands".

Just a suggestion ... take it or leave it.

I understand what you were trying to say now.  Maybe that was just a bad example to use.

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When will they stop blaming inanimate objects for behavior they refuse to admit has been fostered by the very social policies they have supported?
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Self defense is illegal in Australia and violent crime is escalating.

Do they even love their kids down there?
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They have enough problems to deal with, I suppose. Just about every animal there is dangerous/deadly/venomous.
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It is an old Anti-Gun Leftist tactic to charge someone who owns guns and refuses to surrender them or agree to more regulatory and confiscatory ideas, with not loving children because they are armed.

My wife and I got that treatment just over 2 decades ago when our suburb decided to follow Morton Grove's total ban on gun ownership and the town council had a 'hearing' that was kept secret until the last minute about the municipality's ordinance proposal to do it.  We showed up to voice our opinion with a few other local gun owners, and out-of-the-blue busses of anti-gun activists showed up to flood the 'hearing' and chant anyone down who was attempting to argue to the town council against the proposed ordinance. 

The board seemed delighted every single time one of us was shouted down and silenced.  The board allowed anti-gun screeds from people claiming to be residents - but when we asked them where they lived and what street they got belligerent.  But the board refused to take order.  It was 3 to 1 anti-gun comments to any one of our pro-2nd Amendment comments - and every single one of them was allowed to be interrupted, and when time ran out - the gavel came down and they would not let us finish our comments. Meanwhile, the anti-gun nazis spoke with little interruption (we were gaveled to silence because we booed them).

My wife got up and argued she was raised with guns, and was training our daughters to use them safely and properly as she was. Some hippie woman got right in her face and started screaming she did not love our kids and that the state should take them away.  My wife told her to back off and the woman actually bumped her nose into my wife's while screaming (it looked like she head butted my wife) - and my wife hauled off and punched her in the face to which the cops came and escorted us out of the building.  And during our exit down the gauntlet - we had cups of hot coffee thrown on us to chants of "You hate children! Unfit parents!".

Needless to say - the ordinance was already a done deal, passed in the middle of the night - and the "hearing" was just a formality because they conveniently skipped the public comment requirement until someone called them out on it in the local paper.

But, that was a suburb of Chicago - and the handwriting was on the wall that we had to get the hell out of there - and so we did, 8 months later.

And without any sense of irony they call any who disagree with them fascists...